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Mon Oct-10-11 09:29 AM
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a Word for Christopher Columbus from the Burning Spear |
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Mon Oct-10-11 09:34 AM
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1. How can you discover a place when people are |
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already there? :thumbsup:
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Mon Oct-10-11 09:41 AM
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2. It's certainly not as though I discovered... |
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It's certainly not as though I discovered the Beatles my freshman year in high school.
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Mon Oct-10-11 10:11 AM
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6. It isn't as if I discovered sex in high school, either. |
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But I thought I did! :rofl:
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Mon Oct-10-11 01:27 PM
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17. It all seems rather relative to me... |
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I imagine we often discover for ourselves what has been already found by others. Yet the discovery from that perspective still seems rather relevant and valid.
It all seems rather relative to me... :)
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Mon Oct-10-11 02:37 PM
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23. Columbus status as a hero is also relative. |
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"A man is ethical only when life, as such, is sacred to him, that of plants and animals as that of his fellow men, and when he devotes himself helpfully to all life that is in need of help."
He was out to loot and rob.
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Mon Oct-10-11 02:37 PM
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Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:39 PM by yellerpup
"A man is ethical only when life, as such, is sacred to him, that of plants and animals as that of his fellow men, and when he devotes himself helpfully to all life that is in need of help." Columbus was out to loot and rob.
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Mon Oct-10-11 02:38 PM
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Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:40 PM by yellerpup
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Mon Oct-10-11 11:39 AM
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11. I like to ask right-wing types what would happen if a group of Seminoles |
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(or Arawaks) landed on the Italian seacoast, claimed Tuscany and environs for the sovereign tribes, and began carrying treasures out of the Vatican Museum and stashing them in their longboats.
I get very carried away when presenting this narrative, and I get some very strange looks, and some very boring people have subsequently disappeared from the world I live in . . .
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Mon Oct-10-11 01:24 PM
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Mon Oct-10-11 02:12 PM
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19. I'd love to be there when you present your scenario. |
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I'm sure you get a lot of WTF looks and derisive comments, but you are spot on in your comparison. :toast:
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Mon Oct-10-11 01:19 PM
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15. I discovered a great little restaurant last week. |
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But I wasn't the first human ever to go there.
I don't see the problem with the word "discover".
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Mon Oct-10-11 01:59 PM
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18. The problem is, the word is very egocentric when used in this sense. |
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You might discover that crushing a thumb between bricks doesn't hurt. This can be discovered if you are the one not attached to the thumb, but holding the bricks.
I think most people have a more "oceanic" view of things.
Personally, if I heard someone say, "I just discovered this wonderful restaurant!" I would run from the room, fleet as a deer.
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Mon Oct-10-11 02:20 PM
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20. I don't have a problem with the word discover, either. |
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Europeans did not discover, found, or improve this side of the world and just because they assumed that the earth was flat, that didn't make it so. What they are responsible for is the death of 99% of the inhabitants who were here before their arrival. We who are descendants of the survivors of that genocide do not honor Christopher Columbus' "discovery."
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Mon Oct-10-11 02:21 PM
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They came and found us living peacefully - they stole our food, called us barbarians and forced their religion and diseases on our people. Discover my ass! They came to conquer us and pretend we never existed but we know better - we gave the world corn, potatoes and a whole new way of life.
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Mon Oct-10-11 02:30 PM
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22. They intended to conquer and enslave us. |
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They failed at that, so they tried to kill us all. Came close, too. We had, and still have a lot to share. I don't respect anyone who celebrates Columbus Day.
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Mon Oct-10-11 09:43 AM
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3. He never set foot on mainland America |
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Mon Oct-10-11 09:57 AM
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Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 09:57 AM by kas125
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Mon Oct-10-11 10:11 AM
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7. Is it genocidal maniac day again already? wheee... n/t |
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Mon Oct-10-11 10:19 AM
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That one is on the playlist for today. I'll add this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVs8iBEOqJE when I get to work. Quick reference to colombus but a classic song.
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Mon Oct-10-11 10:40 AM
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Mon Oct-10-11 10:43 AM
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10. "what about the Arawak Indians?" |
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Mon Oct-10-11 11:50 AM
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13. I had to look up the lyrics.... |
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Lyrics to Columbus : I and I old I know I and I old I say I and I reconsider I and I see upfully that Christopher Columbus is a damn blasted liar Christopher Columbus is a damn blasted liar Yes Jah
He's saying that, he is the first one who discover Jamaica I and I say that, What about the Arawak Indians and the few Black man Who were around here, before him The Indians couldn't hang on no longer Here comes first Black man and woman and children, In a Jam Down Land ya A whole heap of mix up and mix up A whole heap a ben up, ben up, We have fi straighten out, Christopher Columbus is a damn blasted liar Christopher Columbus is a damn blasted liar Yes Jah
What a long way from home I and I longing to go home Within a Red, Green, and Gold Robe Come on Twelve Tribe of Isreal Come on Twelve Tribe of Isreal Out a Jam Down land ya A whole heap of mix up mix up A whole heap a ben up, ben up, Come on Twelve Tribe of Isreal Come on Twelve Tribe of Isreal Out a Jam Down land ya
Christopher Columbus is a damn blasted liar Christopher Columbus is a damn blasted liar Yes Jah, he is a liar Yes Jah, he is a liar Yes Jah, he is a liar Columbus is a liar Yes jah Christopher Columbus is a damn blasted liar Columbus
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