Rex
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Wed Oct-12-11 11:49 AM
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If corporations have the same rights as The People |
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then why doesn't the govt expect homegrown conglomerates show loyalty to our nation? If every citizen is expected to say the pledge and be a patriotic defender, that should go double for huge corporations with budgets the size of some states. Since they are the 'job makers' and have a knife to the throat of our economy, a little nationalism wouldn't hurt their bottomline much. Not as much as being offshoring, outsourcing traitors to the state. I know if I renounced my citizenship, things wouldn't go well for me; so should it be for huge corporations that pick up shop and go to some other nation to do slave-labor business.
I say make sure corporations have the same rights as I do and hold them accountable for every little offense. I know that if I run a stop sign, my ass gets a ticket. Treat corporations like humans and they won't last very long imo. Then maybe we can get the law changed back to something more sane and capitalism can get back to be a form of commerce and not a political arm of the 1%.
Better yet, why not make the SCOTUS an elected position, since they started all this shit with Citizens United.
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Wed Oct-12-11 11:50 AM
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1. If corporations have the same rights as The People, why isn't Union Carbide on Death Row? |
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Wed Oct-12-11 11:53 AM
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2. They do, Mitt Romney said corporations are just like you and I. |
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Yet, why don't they hold them to the same standards as you and I? I think there would be a slew of companies on Death Row if that was true.
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Wed Oct-12-11 12:49 PM
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5. If corporations have the same rights as people, why hasn't Texas executed one? |
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Wed Oct-12-11 01:38 PM
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Wed Oct-12-11 11:55 AM
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3. Corporations do not have the same rights at people |
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They have SOME of the rights which people have.
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Wed Oct-12-11 12:25 PM
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4. only those Rights that allow influence of government |
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with none of the responsibilities of the rest of us.
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Wed Oct-12-11 01:07 PM
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6. a lot of confusion is generated by the legal term "person", which is not the same as "the people". |
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a terms like "legally recognized entity" might be more of a mouthful but it might be more clear.
not even citizens united claims that they are "people" and have ALL the rights of "people".
corporations are UNIONS of people, and as such have certain rights under u.s. law just as other unions of people have certain rights under u.s. law.
but different forms of unions of people have different rights, as for-profit corporations differ from non-profit corporations, which differ from labor unions or political parties and so on. all of which differ from individuals, which have yet another set of rights.
citizens united didn't change anything grand, it's just another incremental step in a long, long line of court decisions giving corporations more and more powers.
still, the concept of a corporation is a creation of congress, and congress could (in theory anyway) disolve corporations entirely with the stroke of a pen.
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Wed Oct-12-11 01:35 PM
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7. Had a thought.. dunno if it is possible... |
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Since slavery is illegal, how can one corporation be allowed to own another? Guess I am wondering that IF you made it illegal for a corporation to be owned in part or in whole by another corporation, would you not manage to cripple the mass power of these huge conglomerates while being able to say you did not destroy them?
The problem I think is not that corporations get big powerful and profitable, but that they can leverage other corporations to do the same and bring massive pressure and lobbying efforts into the political system and twist the laws and loopholes into a million small advantages for themselves.
It probably is not feasable or well thought out, just something that came to my rather simple mind.
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Wed Oct-12-11 07:03 PM
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9. first, slavery applies to human only. |
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Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 07:03 PM by unblock
there's no such thing as slavery applying to corporations.
second, if you banned actual mergers, corporations would easily find a way around it. one simple solution would be to sell all the assets of one company to the other company. the corporations don't technically merge, but the end result is remarkably similar.
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Wed Oct-12-11 07:10 PM
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10. Corporations are the only real people; meat people are commodities/slaves/consumers. |
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