When Xians Say That Being Gay Is A Choice,

[stopbush]

don't they realize that being Xian - any type of Xian - is also a choice?

Rick Santorum was at it again the other day, making the case that being black isn't the same as being gay. “It’s not the same thing,” Santorum said. “You are black by the color of your skin. You are not homosexual, necessarily, by the color of your skin.”

Why not say this, Rick: “It’s not the same thing. You are black by the color of your skin. You are not Christian, necessarily, by the color of your skin.”?

Nobody is born a Xian or a Muslim or a Buddhist, Rick. It's a choice that's usually made by your parents, then reaffirmed or ditched by the person when they come of age. In fact, people can change their religious affiliation whenever they want. It's just another choice.

Seems to me that he's trying to make the argument that being gay is a choice, ergo gays aren't entitled to certain rights or standing in society. Well, being religious is also a choice. Should we be denying marriage rights to Christians because they choose to be Christian?

[Zoeisright]

1. When Xians say that, they are LYING and need to be called on it.

I am so sick of lies being presented as viable arguments. It's time we stop that.

[stopbush]

3. Well, of course they should be called on it.

I'm just pointing out the disconnect that sits at the heart of their specious argument.

[d_r]

12. they are so homophobic

I think one way to kill this "choice" argument would be for us straight folks to say to them, anytime we hear it, "speak for yourself, I never made a choice not to be gay, it never occurred to me. What kind of choice are you talking about you making? You were considering being gay and decided to try not to be? Is that what you mean? Is it working out for you? Because not being a gay was never a choice I made, I'm just not gay."

I think it would shut those homophobics up in a heartbeat.

[Kerrytravelers]

2. Oh, you mean they're being hypocrits?

No, way! :wow:





:sarcasm: I'm not picking on you. The hypocritical nonsense from that crowd is just simply astounding. Astounding.

[Vincardog]

4. Does anyone ask him when he chose to be straight? That implies that he can chose to be turned on by

a well built man as well.

[SidDithers]

5. ...

Sid

[LiberalFighter]

6. It shouldn't matter whether it is a choice or it is their nature.

Just as it shouldn't matter if one marries or remains single. One shouldn't be forced to marry or remain married as a heterosexual if they are in reality gay. Just as one shouldn't be forced to be married if they would be happier being single because they couldn't find the right person.

Apparently, Christians don't believe that people should be allowed to make their own choices. Rather they want everyone to have their lives dictated by Santorum's religious beliefs. Do any of the christian religious denominations consider any of the others to be correct in their teachings?

[Erose999]

7. Even if it is "a choice" they should still be free to choose it. Fuck those Jesus Nazi's like

Ricky "Man-on-dog" Santorum

The Quitta from Wasilla

Prick Erry

Herman Un-Able

Lewd Gingrich

Michelle Batshit

etc etc

[LynneSin]

10. Hey! It wasn't Jesus that said anything negative about homosexuality

If anything, he's be hanging with us - not these xtian nut jobs.

Bad mouth people who have warped Christianity, but if you've ever read the Gospels and even the Gnostic Gospels, you'd know that Jesus was not ever against homosexuality. That was people who came before and after his time.

[Bucky]

8. Logical fallacy in the OP. You're buying into Santorum's belief there are right & wrong choices here

Santorum would totally agree with you that Christianity is a choice (and he's right). He'd add on that it's the right choice and therefor its institutions and prejudices should recieve preferential treatment by the government.

The argument that you're looking for is that, while all behavior is a choice, one's sexual predelictions are not. They're hardwired into the brain no different than other tastes. People naturally seek out sweet things. Technically, we could train someone to not pursue sweet flavors, but it would be going against their nature (and to jump back from the analogy for a second, there is solid documentation of homosexuality in the animal kingdom--it's not an exclusively human choice so much as an instinctive behavior found throughout all of God's creation).

To discriminate against sexual orientation is as absurd as locking up people for having a sweet tooth or forcing southpaws to write with the right hand.

[stopbush]

11. I'm not buying into Santorum's beliefs. I actually agree entirely with what you wrote.

Perhaps my OP wasn't clearly written. If so, sorry. My belief is that gender, sexual orientation and race are something you're born with, and that they're not choices at all.

[LynneSin]

9. That's because Dick Santorum thinks he is an asshole by choice

But I suspect that's the way he was created.

[Ohio Joe]

13. They try to frame being gay as a choice for one reason

If being gay is not a "choice", it is one more hole in their belief. The second they admit it is not a "choice" they then have to begin to re-evaluate the rest of their beliefs... Something they refuse to do. They fight science for the same reason.

[Frank Cannon]

14. The checkmate for that is always to make them commit to that in public...

then ask them, if they made the choice, what person of their own gender did they once want to fuck.

Cenk Uygur gets a kick out of it when RWers make that idiotic claim.

[BadgerKid]

15. So, they don't accept gays as being god's children, too?

How...Christian...of them. :eyes:

[alterfurz]

16. "Being gay is natural...

...hating people for being gay is a lifestyle choice." -- John Fugelsang

[hifiguy]

17. These are the same assholes who would tell me

that I am Asperger's "by choice." No, idjits, I am Asperger's because I was born with my brain wired slightly differently, just as gays and lesbians were born exactly the way they are. Damfools.

[pipi_k]

18. I don't think throwing that argument back at them

is going to work because they don't see being Christian as being a BAD choice.

Whereas they do see being gay, as a "choice" (which we know it's not), as a bad choice.

See... you can "choose" to be anything you want, as long as they think it's a good choice.

[Initech]

19. I usually reply that being born gay isn't a choice but being an asshole definitely is.

[PeaceNikki]

20. I always give them the quote in my signature line...

Being gay is natural. Hating people for being gay is a lifestyle choice. ~John Fugelsang