What do you think about Hillary's State Department approving the pipeline?

[ThomWV]

It is amazing to me that a pipe line can be (and probably will be) built that span this nation without Congressional approval if originates in Canada. The only approval necessary for the go ahead will come from a Certification from the Secretary of State and signature by the President.

The pipe line will carry tar sands trapped oil that will be refined when it reaches the Gulf of Mexico. From there it will enter the world market, and you should know that the European Union will not allow the stuff in. So its headed for Asia. The stuff in the pipeline is essentially sandpaper, it wears out pipelines in amazingly short time. The pipeline will cut through the fresh water aquifer for the central United States. If it leaks it will contaminate that ground water. No, not if it leaks - when it leaks. It will be buried 4 feet below frost line in most places, 25 feet below the stream bed where it crosses rivers. How do you decontaminate a water table under a river?

In more reasonable times I would not for a moment expect that a Democratic Secretary of State and President would approve such a thing, but apparently its already in the bag. Reports have it that ground clearing (at great expense) has already begun on the project even though approval has not been granted .... yet.

[FiveGoodMen]

1. There's a reason Hillary was the ONE alternative to Obama that the media pushed in the primaries

The PTB picked two of their own (at heart), presented them as Democrats, and said "pick a card -- any card."

This behavior from her doesn't surprise me at all.

[polichick]

2. Well, there's a connection between her and one of the lobbyists...

Paul Elliott, who worked her campaign and now works on behalf of the pipeline.

So, it's business as usual in DC.

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. Doesn't Hillary report to someone? n/t

[DURHAM D]

5. Apparently not - she is Queen of the World.

:silly:

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. She has the boss in thrall to her corporatist mind control hypno-ray n/t of

[cui bono]

Yup. Do you think he will stop it? n/t

[truebrit71]

4. Just waiting for Obama to sign off on it...and then the disaster countdown clock can start...

...this is such an atrociously bad idea one would think that it came directly from the mind of Dick Cheney...the fact that our "Democratic" leadership are signalling that this is a good idea just boggles the mind...

When it leaks I expect to see both the Obama and Clinton families up there helping with the clean-up...:sarcasm:

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[ixion]

11. Yep, they did.

and yes, they will.

[TheWraith]

6. I hate to break it to you, but stopping this pipeline doesn't stop the tar sands projects.

It's not like shooting down the Death Star with one torpedo here. If it doesn't move through this pipeline, it'll be sent to Vancouver and thence to China, or it'll be used for Canada's domestic consumption, etcetera. Theres realistically no way to prevent this stuff from being used, so long as there's demand for oil. Therein lies the problem.

[ThomWV]

10. It is my understanding that the Canadians will not approve it going west.

So its across the US or nothing.

[TheWraith]

13. They might not prefer it. Doesn't mean they'll actually stop it.

It just means that they'd rather make it the US' problem. Besides which, even if it didn't get taken west, they're still developing it and can use it for Canada's domestic consumption.

It's economical to extract this stuff: that's the problem, not where they take it afterward. As long as it's economical to extract, they'll find some way to use it or sell it.

[polly7]

23. uhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

http://oilsandstruth.org/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/20/canadian-tar-sands-and-oil-costs_n_929361.html#s332120&title=Syncrude_Upgrader_and

http://citizenactionmonitor.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/want-to-see-more-of-the-koch-brothers-at-play-in-our-tar-sands-vote-conservative/



Canada doesn't need the tarsands for our own domestic comsumption. Traditional oilfields in Alberta and Saskatchewan are doing fine. The tarsands are an abomination. Nobody cared though but those of us here, protesting it from the beginning, until now. Happy to have the promise of additional cheap oil, but blind to the horrors of it until it has to go through your own backyard. Sorry ..... but this really pisses me off. I hope the pipeline doesn't go through too. Actually, I wish every drop of oil in those tarsands would dry up instantly.

[LiberalAndProud]

31. Nobody cared enough to ... what?

Make them stop? As of right now, they have us where they want us.

When we stop using, the dealers might stop pushing. Meanwhile, they harvest a recession-proof commodity. Why would they care what might be destroyed in the wake?

I, for one, haven't puzzled out how to live off the grid (yet), but that is where we need to be in order to break the stranglehold the Energy Industry has on the planet. *That* would be caring enough, I suppose.

[polly7]

33. To speak out against the Tarsands when it counted.

The U.S. DOD is the single largest oil consumer in the world. No-one begrudges citizens the use of fuel and resources .... it's the complete waste by militaries, including our own, that are bringing nothing but misery and suffering across the world in nations we have no right to ....... all for more oil and puppet governments that will deliver it. A completely insane, greedy, cluster-fuck that is destroying our environment, habitats, water, indigenous peoples' health. But beyond the radar for most, until it's not just 'our' problem.

[MadHound]

12. Fine, let it go to Vancouver,

At least it won't be going through my back yard, contaminating not just the land, but the very water I drink. Easy enough for you to support such a project, since it won't adversely effect you. But it is very personal to me, and frankly I don't want my countryside, my water, ruined by this pipeline.

Tell you what, if you are so supportive of this pipeline, why not come live out here where it's going to run. Switch houses with somebody who is right in the crosshairs of this pipeline, then let's see how much you support it.

[TheWraith]

15. Boy, you read a ton into my statement which simply isn't there.

Care to go back, re-read, and respond to what I actually said instead of a bunch of shit you imagine I said?

[MadHound]

16. So, do you support the pipeline or not? n/t

[TheWraith]

17. Not. Next ridiculous question? nt

[MadHound]

21. So then, what is wrong with stopping the pipeline?

So that oil goes to Vancouver, so what?

[TheWraith]

28. So then nothing has really been accomplished.

For all the talk about aquifers, this pipeline is hardly unique--there are hundreds criss-crossing the US. The point about the tar sands was supposed to be their CO2 content; if they just get taken to Vancouver or used domestically, then stopping the pipeline is hardly a win for the environment. Reducing the actual use of oil is.

[Blaze Diem]

18. Thats fine. Just Dont Drag it through this country all the way to Houston.

Thats the objection.
Haul the sludge through Canada & out to the sea. We may not be able to stop that, but why should the US States risk the toxic poisoning of our land & water supplies? There is no benefit to America with this pipeline, except for temporary jobs. The risks are enormous however.\

[Historic NY]

27. It already being piped here..in great quanity.

As you said its going to take a lot to get rid of the purple on the map and I don't seei t happening any time soon with our present consumption rates.

[joeybee12]

9. Imagine, at one time people considered her a flaming liberal...

aboslute power corrupts absolutely.

[lumberjack_jeff]

14. Absolute power is that which is wielded by her boss.

and some people still consider him a flaming liberal.

[LiberalAndProud]

19. Petroluem vs. clean water supply ...

and petroleum wins!

The draft environmental impact statement is out, and Atkinson banker Dan Kramer has been thumbing through it to try to understand how an underground petroleum pipeline can be built through the Nebraska Sandhills without posing a serious threat to one of the state's most treasured resources.

So far, he doesn't understand how government oversight will matter much in safeguarding the massive Ogallala Aquifer when the Keystone XL pipeline starts pumping oil.

Kramer feels equally uncertain about the implications for a water table that typically bubbles up through the soil surface during springtime around Atkinson.

--snip
"Among other things," Panec said, "there's no bond in the state by the Legislature required of the pipeline to assure that, in case of a rupture in the pipeline, the oil spill will be cleaned up."

Also, said Panec, "there's no provision for, if you abandon the pipeline, who cleans up or picks up the pipeline and removes it."


Read more: http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/article_44759c04-49a8-11df-8291-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1abAbnEQA

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. "Hypocrisy has its own elegant symmetry."

Although about another subject, I believe it details the overall problem in US government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfhOPCPJnE&feature=feedf

[Rex]

22. Because she works for Obama?

[XemaSab]

24. As I see it, the only reason to take it to Texas is for export

Otherwise, why not build a refinery in North Dakota? :shrug:

[Gregorian]

25. We underestimate our addiction to petroleum?

Maybe since we postponed putting effort into areas other than military, we now face the dire situation of scrambling any which way for oil.

I hate to say it, but I think we can blame ourselves more than anyone else. Republicans didn't help.

[LiberalAndProud]

29. Scrambling for oil is the uncontested role of our government.

See WAR, Afghanistan; WAR, Iraq; WAR, Libya; WAR, etc.

[catbyte]

26. Polluting Indian Country--thanks, Obama & Clinton.

Anishinaabe in MI

[unkachuck]

30. thank God for corporations....

....not being content to having rendered most surface water non-potable, corporations are now diligently working at destroying all underground water supplies....

....when all Earths waters are properly contaminated, corporations will then sell us decontaminated water for $20 a liter or offer us home decontamination equipment for tens of thousands of dollars....

....create a problem, solve a problem, at an obscene profit of course....

"What do you think about Hillary's State Department approving the pipeline?"

....corporate is as corporate does, and she does....

[Admiral Loinpresser]

32. Tar sands plus Iraq War resolution equals Hillary Clinton. n/t