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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:17 AM Original message |
NJ: School officials investigate teacher who allegedly made anti-gay remarks on Facebook |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. As long as this teacher doesn't show bias in the classroom, |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. We have a new anti-bullying law that began at the beginning of this school year. |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. No bias? I would imagine gay kids in her class would feel |
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mactime (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Teachers do have opinions |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Don't worry. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Fine. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. NJ's Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights: |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. From what you just posted... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Section 16 specifically addresses bullying that occurs OFF school grounds. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Simple question |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. It should be dealt with on a case-by-base basis, since every situation has nuance |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. A case by case basis.... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I've shown you where she violated the new law. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. No, you didn't show where she violated the law. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. "If you showed me or gave an example of one student who was intimidated into suicide..." |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. You keep referring to this woman |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. I believe in prevention, which is why I helped craft, lobby, and testify in support of this law. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
85. Well then I'm sure you'll be happy... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. A case by case basis is exactly how the law works. Those who don't like nuance to their law should |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Who did she intimidate by this statement? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. when the Klu Klux Klan burns a cross on public land, who are they intimidating? |
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6000eliot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
55. Exactly the kind of cover homophobes count on. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. What cover? Free speech? |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. You just made a bullying statement |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
83. Advocating for kids who are bullied now makes the advocates bullies? |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I agree.... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. She is a public school teacher talking about a display at her school. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I'm not saying she's not a jerk or a bigot... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Make it about race and not sexuality. Does that change your opinion? nt. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. I agree |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
81. This is why teachers need unions. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
8. Another Talibornagain goes down. Good riddance to bad rubbish. |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. That doesn't look anything like FaceBook |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
14. I can see parents insisting their children not be taught by this person. Demanding a firing misses |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Bingo |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. This is my concern. Fire the atheist. Fire the hippie. Fire the Bush critic. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. My position on this sort of thing isn't clear even to myself. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Right. Do teachers give up their right to have opinions, even horrible ones? |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
21. Another case where I think I'll side with the ACLU |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. Indeed, the ACLU clearly stated just how to fire this asshole-- |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. I don't interpret the ACLU statement that way at all - it sounds as though they're saying |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
22. This is what the ACLU is good for (among other things). |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
29. I am a gay teacher who advises a gay straight alliance |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. She violated the NJ Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights, which I explained upthread. n/t |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Besides stretching that statute, you understand the First Amendment trumps it, correct? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. No, it doesn't. Let me explain. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Again, what proof do you have of this? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. A 'liberal' teacher would post this nonsense about a protected class? You've made a poor showing of |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. "Religion" is a protected class |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Do you have proof of any gay teacher posting a public anti-Catholic rant like that? |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
87. Are you seriously claiming that if a teacher publicly ranted against the RCs |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Reading comprehension can be your friend you know... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Yes. You did equate being gay with being conservative, and you continue to do so. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #64 |
84. No, again...I don't. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. DUPE. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. "(God) created you not to practice homosexuality...THATS WHAT I TEACH AND PREACH" |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. You might be able to make that case if her comments had been in the classroom. Internet post? No. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. A teacher's 'private' conduct has bearing on their employment. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I'm disturbed by your willingness to control teachers' private conduct, and by your generous |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. The legislature decrees what private conduct of teachers is unacceptable for employment. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. It's the consequences you misunderstand. She can be shamed, not fired. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
57. No she didn't |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. I find it odd that you were a vocal supporter of the NJ legislation when it passed |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I think there is a huge difference between targetting an individual |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Part b of the off campus cyber bullying clause clearly states: |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Yes, but clearly you don't understand.... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
82. How would you advise your GSA students to react if a teacher in your own district |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. at school I would tell them to complain since the teacher has no business using class time |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
30. This is a civil rights issue |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. "If she wanted her free speech she should have used an alias" |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. I imagine the poaster meant "speech with zero coinsequences". |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
73. Punishment is not a consequence the First Amendment permits for political speech. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. She deserves what she gets |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
49. She minimized (at best) and directly insulted (at worst) a group of those over whom she has authorit |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
52. If you are a teacher, it behooves you not to express any opinion you hold |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. That's true |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. This is the reason tenure exists |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. And if we let that prevail, all the teachers we have left will be mindless drones. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Don't be so sure of that |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Not what I said. Forbidding teachers to have or express opinions would require drones. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
72. The NJEA responds: |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. That link doesn't say that. Wouldn't change the 1st Amendment if it did. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. The link clearly states what I quoted and so does the video. n/t |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. The page requests you to enter your cable subscription account number |
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80. Copied and pasted: |
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