Freakers Rush to the Defense of the CA Killer...(I kid you not)

[maxrandb]

Unbelievable...it's the Family Courts fault

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2792158/posts
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To: annelizly
I know I will get flamed here, but I’ve seen it done to men — good men. Many times it takes an impeccable man to tolerate the outflow and unfair decisions of ‘family courts’

We will never know what the feminist court actions were or what his ex claimed, etc. Too many of these shooters are pushed over the edge and until society looks at the truth, we will continue to bury our heads in the sand.

No excuse for this but we will see more until the out of control courts are reined in.

To: TheDon
“Good men don’t murder people.”

True enough. But everyone has their breaking point. That’s when rationality goes out the window, and things such as this occur.

Very likely, he was a good man. But yesterday, he reached his breaking point.



8 posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:33:14 by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: George from New England
Just read about this guy. He was a tugboat captain. One of his crew was caught in a towline and killed in 07. He ran to assist, and was badly injured and crippled. While he was in the hospital, she filed for divorce and went for custody of his 3 year old son. Its been a court battle ever since. He was evil for what he did,,, but divorce cruelty affects some people badly and takes em over the edge. Most guys in his situation stuff it inside and drink themselves to death, or have heart attacks.



9 posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:36:07 by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: George from New England
I've watched a dozen guys go through this over the past 20 or 30 years. In most cases its really, really tough.
None of them have snapped, of course. And this guy's life is, deservedly, over.

But something does need to be done about the way courts (and greedbag lawyers) insert themselves into messy family situations.

Pray for this couples son, who is likely without both parents now.


10 posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:37:21 by skeeter
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Men who lose jobs in this economy, will still have a child support levy to fulfill, no court that I know of, lowers that, period. Like a third world country where there’s debtor’s prison, this father will be thrown in jail for violating the child support court order. The amounts will continue to accrue and be attached with outrageous interest charges to boot. Nothing to save guys in this dilema.

Will we learn the specifics of this case? I doubt it.



11 posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:38:07 by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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[Darth_Kitten]

1. Those nasty feminists....

They will do that to a man. :sarcasm:

[dtexdem]

2. Hey,if their view is that "everyone has his breaking point," that suggests ...

that the only answer is strict gun control.

[joeybee12]

6. +1

[abelenkpe]

8. +1000 nt

[Missy Vixen]

9. Isn't that the truth?

Of course, the gun advocates claim that those possessing firearms are "even more careful" about displays of temper, etcetera, while packing.

It seems that stance may be inaccurate.

:rofl:

[Kingofalldems]

3. Wasn't the guy a tea partier?

[sinkingfeeling]

4. "...father will be thrown in jail for violating the child support court order", except if you're a

Republican representative, like Mr. Walsh?

[gratuitous]

5. Hoo boy

Thanks for diving into the cesspool for the rest of us. What an understanding bunch they are when the triggerman is someone like them.

[Blue_Tires]

51. Of course they'd understand...the dude was probably a FR member

[seabeyond]

7. i watched and even participated in my brothers custody hearing. it was an ugly event and took years

he paid over 120k on lawyer fees. she didnt pay much. some kind of social program.

the court ruled, father needs to be in daughters life. he is the stable one, but she is the mother after all and she is not physically abusing the girl. literally, said that. primary to the mother.

until she kidnapped the girl adn she was handed over to brother... totally fucked up.

7 yrs later she still will not get a hold of the mother. she lived in fear.

for the most part, in texas, i really do see a balance for both the mother and the fathers rights. so i cant saying anything from this area, what i have seen.

my brother was in LA.

on edit... btw, i am not at all addressing what happened in the hair salon. i am addressing what was said in those posts

[Taverner]

11. I don't blame women for that. I blame lawyers.

If you get a divorce, get an arbitrator, not a lawyer.

[seabeyond]

18. i take from your post, you are not saying i blame women, though the posters

in the OP certainly are blaming women. i agree. i dont blame women either. i blame a system that is not progressive with the understanding a man can be the better parent. or a woman can be a better parent. or both parents can be the better parent. and rule accordingly.

[Taverner]

19. And I blame lawyers for turning amicable divorces into death matches

I've seen it happen...

[seabeyond]

21. probably right. i have not seen many divroces up close. and i havent seen

that particular thing happen, so i dont know. but i imagine you are right.

[Taverner]

22. The longer they drag out the divorce, the more billable hours

And law doesn't pay as much as it once did...

[Bake]

32. There are damn few amicable divorces.

That's why I don't do domestic relations practice. Nobody ends up happy, and everybody blames the lawyer, either theirs or the opposing lawyer.

It's not the lawyer's fault most of the time.

Bake, Esq.

[Johonny]

31. I agree

I've seen some really good people screwed by the totally overwhelmed-unsympathetic family court system. Since I have no idea if that really cause this incident and that the people I know that were screwed still didn't kill 8 people, I'm willing to slide these comments to the makes me think the topic is interesting but probably not the real underlining problem in the story. Which I'm still siding with as an underlining mental health issue. As usual as the story is followed, we will likely know more.

[ScreamingMeemie]

49. My brother lives in Hollywood. He has custody 3.5 days, and his ex

has custody 3.5 days. They are pretty balanced in custody battles, too balanced in my opinion. My brother's ex is a (3x)convicted drunk driver. One of those times with my nephew in the car.

[Pithlet]

54. I agree.

It's too much about fairness for the parents, as if they're merely splitting property, and not enough about the best interests of the children. I can't get over how much I hear how biased they are (usually the contention is against men). It's such crap. It doesn't matter if one parent is unfit. He/she has rights!

[Taverner]

10. I am sick and fucking tired of stupid white men blaming all problems on women

It's gotten so it's so fucking knee-jerk, it sounds like a joke. A parody.

Yeah, those mean women - not liking getting hit and shit...

Wanting equal rights and same pay...how DARE they!

My favorite BS is the whining about the "feminization" of men. Please. That whine is such a mix of stupidity, homophobia, sexism and downright hate speech.

[lunasun]

15. "" feminist court actions''

:rofl:
REALLY?

[get the red out]

12. Ok, say we accept their agrument

So why were the other five people killed besides his ex?

Of course if he were not white, wouldn't they be ready to execute?

[MH1]

17. Well said.

I've seen cases where the family court seemed to side unfairly with one or the other, usually the woman. I can understand some men feeling frustrated with this situation.

But how in the hell does that justify randomly killing people?

[Warren DeMontague]

13. by that logic, what should Newt Gingrich's ex-wife have done?

:shrug:

[Politicalboi]

55. Or John McCain's

After taking care of him and then he left her. She could have snapped.

[jmg257]

14. Guy was married 3 times...don't think he was 'husband of the year' BEFORE

the tugboat accident.

"Aside from family, nobody knew Dekraai--an embattled, thrice-married father...
...
One of Michelle's former salon co-workers described him as mean to Michelle -- and odd. She said other salon workers were afraid of Dekraai's anger and temper.
Dekraai's friends said they too witnessed or heard about DeKraai's screaming matches with Michelle."

http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/profile-emerges-of-suspected-salon-killer


Apparently he COULD be a nice guy, but maybe a bit misogynistic?

In the end just a selfish scumbag and a murderer.

[Major Hogwash]

16. The guy had body armor with him when he did the shootings.

Where do you think he got that idea?
The Hollywood Bank robbery!!!

No duh!

[Name removed]

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[reggie the dog]

28. or we will have joint custody

or just stop having kids with you. why marry and have kids when you can stay single and have casual sex or just have a girlfriend with no kids? there is no incentive for men to marry these days, none.

[msanthrope]

34. There is little incentive for women to procreate with men who think like you do.

If you cannot appreciate what building a life and home means, then please, do not marry, or procreate.

[reggie the dog]

36. i do, i built a home and a life and my wife one day

after 7 years married and with a 3 year old kid says "i am leaving you to find my soulmate while i am still young enough"

i was faithful, helped with house chores, helped taking care of the kid and worked and you know what, it is just not worth the hassle, 80% of marriages since the 1990s have ended in divorce and over 70% of the time it is the woman who files for divorce. my ex knows that she has a 98% chance of being awarded the kid if she decides to move away from me and breaks up our joint custody agreement. that is "justice" right, a 98% chance that the courts will let you keep your kid if you move him or her away from the father....

losing a home and a family life and half my time with my child is the hardest thing i have ever had to work for and why??? so my ex can now date a guy nearly 8 years younger than i am???? what a fucking idiot i was, i wasted so much time and now, when my ex decides she is ready to move to be near her boyfriend and moves a 3 hour drive away i will not even see my kid except for school holidays!!!!???? (when it is expensive to pay for someone to watch the kid when people go to work because the kid is not in school, which fucks most men but i am a teacher so i am ok in that respect.)


so really why in the hell would i ever get married again??? so some other woman can just break up with me, leave and get custody of the kid????

[seabeyond]

38. first... 41% of first marriages, 67% of second marriages, 73% of third marriages end in divorce

then you can break down the 41% of first marriages like for example, marrying older and educated divorce has dropped to 11%. getting married young and uneducated it is like 70something %.

you situation is not indicative of all women or all men as i am sure you very well know. there are good and bad of both gender. i am sorry you are in the situation you are. i expect more out of people and am sad to see those hurt, especially with children involved, in these situations. i have a whole theory on this and feel it is going to just grow as both genders lack respect more and more. it is sad to see.

[reggie the dog]

42. i am glad to see that the 80% i heard is bs

i looked on the net and something like 40 to 60% of new marriages in the usa end in divorce and i cant find comparable numbers for france. i think no fault divorce is actaully a big part of the problem, it is too easy for either spouse to divorce on a whim so people dont take marriage seriously when they say i do. i took it seriously but i get the impression that my ex did not but she gets the impression that she just fell out of love with me and tough shit if i am the father of her child

[seabeyond]

43. yes...

i agree. we have become a very self absorbed people and that is the opposite of what is needed in marriage for a success. i have read that the marriages that are altruistic are the most successfull.

my kids have always chuckled that the only argument they hear with father and i, is.... you have the last one. no, you have the last one. no really, i want you to have. no, you.

i want the best for him. he wants the best for me. and we both get the best.

the only way to go

[laundry_queen]

56. Hey, I can relate as a woman

I was a 'dutiful' wife, stay at home mom with 4 kids when my ex decided one day he 'wasn't happy'. Turns out he'd been having an affair for years. He nearly bankrupted us, went on cruises and trips to Vegas with his mistress (all 'business' trips), stole money from businesses, screwed many people in town out of money. He lived a total double life. He didn't have to marry me - we had been together and had 2 kids before he proposed. We got married and I thought things were going well. Turns out the whole thing was a lie. Lucky for me, right now, he doesn't really want to see the kids much because his girlfriend thinks they take up too much of his time - still when he decides he wants them for a few weeks in the summer I am incredibly resentful - he never wanted to spend time with them before we were split, but now decides he can ruin my summer by taking the kids away. I have numerous friends in the same situation, who were stay at home moms and did everything for their kids and suddenly find themselves without their kids 50% of the time, to a guy who didn't give a crap about the kids when they were together. My ex changed diapers so rarely that I can only remember 1 time - and my teenager changed more diapers with my youngest than he did with all of them. I also know many men (through a divorce support group) who have been totally screwed by women - women cheating, leaving after cleaning out bank accounts, charging them with abuse when there was none just to have something on record so they got better treatment in court. Men who were loving, dedicated fathers and suddenly find themselves without a wife and without their kids for weeks at a time - and paying so much in support they have to live in tiny apartments.

I agree the no-fault divorce pisses me off to no end. I can see how the courts don't want to be arbiters in every little petty argument. But when one spouse cheats, up and leaves, messes with the finances or sets out to ruin their ex, the courts really should have something for those cases. It's too easy for one party to not even bother trying. And when you are the one who wants the marriage to work, there's nothing you can do if the other person decides they are done. They can just walk away and leave devastation in their wake - and take 50% of your life. I took my vows very seriously and worked hard at my marriage. However, I married a narcissist (possible sociopath) who took advantage of my loyal, trusting nature. And somehow I'm paying for it while he has fun with his girlfriend, lives in our house, drives a brand new truck while I struggle single parenting 4 kids and go to school full time.

Yep, another person here who doesn't think they'll ever marry again.

[Pacifist Patriot]

23. I've seen the "it's the family courts discriminating against men" meme all over the place today.

[reggie the dog]

29. probably because it is true

family courts often favor women for physical custody of children just because they are female.

[Missy Vixen]

30. Not anymore n/t

[Manifestor_of_Light]

33. I'm female and I had to pay my ex child support for years and years.

In Texas, they really do believe in equal rights for both parents, since Texas is a community property state. We do not have alimony, we have separate maintenance for a short time. Community property is in several Western states due to the Spanish Influence.

This is because the Spanish laws on marital property were much more equal than the English or French law used in other states.

I found this out when I took Marital Property in law school.

We have good case law saying women can buy and sell property in their own names, from 1836, the first year of the Republic of Texas.

Unfortunately, we also had a law where a married woman had to go to court to get her "disabilities of couverture" removed, so she could buy and sell property as if she were a "feme sole" (single female), that was in effect until 1969.

[reggie the dog]

37. interesting

unfortunately i live in france and they have french law. what about physical custody? do men get to have their kids half the time or does texas still favor that the children live with mom and visit dad?

[seabeyond]

40. my brother lived in tx yet his custody started in LA.

because of the mess of it, he went to courts in tx. they ruled here, hands down and quickly that brother gets his daughter. but, case was taken back to LA and the mess started.

that is what i am saying that tx seems to not mess with gender of parent.

the majority i have seen the man is not asking for the child. all of them, the parents agreed to mother being primary. but they very much protect the other parents rights.

this is only what i observe though from those around me.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

52. Texas does not favor the mother over the father.

Please read my post again. Visitation is usually alternate weekends from 6 pm Friday to 6 pm Sunday, with several weeks in the summer.

Sometimes the non-custodian parent may get more visitation than that.

[reggie the dog]

35. yes they do, which gender gets physical custody in the vast majority

of all cases in which both parents want custody, the woman.

[LanternWaste]

53. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

Illustrate for us relevant, objective and precise cause, then we may better allow your premise the validity it may warrant.

[Darth_Kitten]

45. Maybe because they did the child raising BEFORE the divorce?

It's sad, but too many men just want joint custody because they think it'll save them a few bucks.

[reggie the dog]

46. most men help raise their kids

my dad helped raise me and my mom was a stay at home mom, but dad still did lots of stuff with us and took care of us daily too.

[Darth_Kitten]

48. Wow.

But studies still show women do the vast majority of the child and homecare duties...despite men "helping out".

Maybe they should help out some more.

[Scout]

47. how many times do the fathers actually seek custody?

and of the times when the father actually seeks custody, how often does he win?

how many times is the mother awarded custody because the father doesn't want it?

[LeftinOH]

24. "Everyone has their breaking point." Um... False. Wrong Answer. Incorrect;

There are lots of people who have endured lots of unholy shit (way worse stuff than this guy) who have managed to NOT leave corpses in their wake.

There is a definite personality type involved here -yes, coupled with a physical disability (and maybe a mental one), but I refuse to believe that my own personal "breaking point" (and that of most people) could involve mass murder. Nope.

[seabeyond]

25. couldnt agree with you more. i get tired of hearing... "anyone is capable". no

not really.

[eppur_se_muova]

26. "Anyone is capable" is just setting things up for when the speaker blows his top.

Lay down the excuse first, then it's "safe" to abandon responsibility for your actions.

[Old and In the Way]

27. Sounds about right for FreeRepublic.

Apologize for the anti-socialist, mass murderer. These people probably fantasize of doing the same thing.

[JoePhilly]

39. Its always someone else's fault for these folks ... they are the persecuted ones.

[mwb970]

41. At least they are finally showing some empathy.

Sure, it's empathy for a sick-in-the-head mass murderer, but it's a start!

[Major Nikon]

44. The guy already had majority custody of his son

...even though it was well established by a court ordered therapist that he was at least a half bubble off plumb. And now the freeptards think he was getting a raw deal from family court? Morans. This guy was a complete asshole who used violence and the threat of violence to control other people. When his ex-wife finally took a stand, he used the instruments of his past violence to inflict more violence. While doing so he wore a vest so the cops couldn't execute him on the spot. This guy pretty much epitomizes human garbage. Those who defend him aren't much better, if any.

[BlueIris]

50. Win.

I was just coming here to post exactly that.