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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 11:52 AM
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A Familiar Swagger in Afghanistan
Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 12:30 PM by bigtree
Politics and events here at home and in the Mideast have brought a familiar swagger to the incumbent president in this election season. Our Democratic leader in the White House has adopted a rather Bushian posture regarding the war he inherited, and nonetheless, escalated, in Afghanistan.

Contrary to public opinion, in which 70% polled say the war has lasted longer than they expected and nearly as many say the troop presence should be reduced, President Obama appears to be more comfortable advertising his prowess in killing terror suspects than he is determined to committing to end the 'pollyandish misadventure'

With a mere written statement on the 10th anniversary of the nation's longest military engagement, President Obama acknowledged the human cost of his escalated offensive and the 'challenges' remaining, yet he focused most of his statement on his success and 'progress' in 'defeating al-Qaeda'.

"In delivering justice to Osama bin Laden and many other al Qaeda leaders, we are closer than ever to defeating al Qaeda and its murderous network," Obama said in his written remarks.

In fact, any discussion from the President about Afghanistan these days is certain to include a line about the terror suspects the military has managed to kill and the 'progress' we're making along that line. That's fair enough. Few Americans question the shooting of bin Laden, and few Americans give a wit about the others assassinated in recent weeks other than to wonder how the government can execute American citizens like the cleric with impunity in the course of the ongoing terror offensive.

What anyone who is concerned with the unbridled militarism of the U.S. foreign policy abroad should question is the absence of any position from the presumed Democratic nominee for president that would satisfy the vast majority of Americans' long-held opinion that the U.S. should back away significantly from our military commitment in Afghanistan.

Instead, we're still being gratuitously graced by this administration with swaggering accounts of terra missions and hoo-rah assessments of the self-perpetuating battles there. The new Defense secretary, fresh from his privileged perch at the CIA, seemed to suggest that the 'surge' troops the President promised to withdrawal 'by the end of next summer' would likely stay a while longer until the 'fighting season' ends there.

The United States will withdraw 10,000 troops from Afghanistan by year-end and 23,000 more by next summer, as the United States and its NATO allies work toward handing over security to full Afghan control by the end of 2014. "After a difficult decade, we are responsibly ending today's wars from a position of strength," Obama said in his anniversary statement.

"Peace through strength" That's a Cold War notion that is belied by the nuclear threats that mushroomed during the arms race as nations jockeyed for military domination. That's what the effect is in Afghanistan as tribes and sects vie for military dominance over their rivals in a seemingly unending pattern of attacks and reprisals. The U.S. role in all of that is to keep our finger on the trigger and our foot on the throttle as one NATO shielded faction or the other benefits at the expense of the life and livelihood of their neighbor. Yet, we still press on.

Over the Bush term, the NATO mission in Afghanistan was kept afloat by their unceasing fearmongering - aided by the unceasing propaganda from the fugitive 9-11 suspects that Bush regularly echoed in his speeches.

To be fair, this Democratic administration has rejected and abandoned much of the rhetoric of the last bunch's terra talk. The nonsense is creeping back into this president's political posturing, though.

It's probably too much to ask President Obama to give at least a nod to the anti-war faction of his party supporters and provide some sense in his campaign for re-election that enough will soon be enough in Afghanistan. There's a defensive tone to the administration's political patter that seems worried that any talk of withdrawal must be thoroughly couched in blather about 'defeating' their nebulous al-Qaeda nemesis. It's all too incredible for those of us who are convinced that our military mission in that region is self-perpetuating and counter-productive.

President Obama may well trounce his republican rival in the upcoming election and maintain his presidency. He may, however, need to announce something bold and dramatic to energize his Democratic base and galvanize voters behind his candidacy. Making a firm commitment to bring the bulk of the forces home from Afghanistan and return control of the country's security to the Afghans would almost certainly be met with approval from the vast majority of Americans who have said for years now that they would like to see a significant reduction of our military presence there.

Too much to ask? Even Bush made a transition from his war of opportunity in Iraq a part of his second-term swan song. I'd expect at least that from this Democrat we elected commander.
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malthaussen Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:09 PM
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1. Same old Wine, New Bottle
Sounds a whole lot like "Peace With Honor." Remember that one?

-- Mal
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:15 PM
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2. Well, almost no one questions the shooting of bin Laden
It's that darned obsession I have with the Constitution. I hope to get over it someday. After all, the Supreme Court has cut that tether; why oh why can't I?
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malthaussen Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:23 PM
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3. Your Problem Is
...that you haven't yet been sufficiently inconvenienced by the Constitution to want to destroy it.

-- Mal
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 05:11 PM
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12. I would like to offer a belated warm welcome to DU
I have loved everyone of your posts that I have read :hi:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:27 PM
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4. oh, go on
. . . what have you got to lose?
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malthaussen Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:37 PM
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5. Kris Kristofferson
Already has that one sewed up, bigtree.

--Mal
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:53 PM
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6. It takes a lot of courage for a president to admit losing (another) war.
This war, and the "war on terror" are being fought for domestic political reasons. "Smoke 'em out", "Bring it on", "stay the course", "a position of strength", are just the slogans used by the politicians, including Obama, to demonstrate their "strength", "leadership", "grit", "determination", and other REAL MAN virtues.

Real courage would be shown by admitting defeat and doing everything possible to stop the madness. Not just Obama but the politicians in congress (with a few exceptions) lack that courage and humanity.

We have killed, maimed, made homeless, hundreds of thousands of people so our politicians could swagger and strut their manhood and win elections.

Enough.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Friedrich Nietzche
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:29 PM
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7. +1
yes. It is sad how the North American culture has glorified and mythologized machismo as the highest form of human advancement. It is reflected in Hollywood productions, yes even those lily livered limousine liberals in Hollywood. Might is right. So while Dubya, and now Obama, crows about the need for more war, or extensions of the ones going on, they know there is an underlining conditioning in the population that reacts to all that tough talk with admiration. They have watched Bruce Willis, Sly Stallone, Chuck Norris, Steven Segal, Van Damm, in the past, and new crops keep coming up...Van Desiel, Jason Statham etc..

At the same time more noble aspects of humanity, poetry, art, philosophy, are marginalized and castrated.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 02:03 PM
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8. thus
. . . all below is strength, and all above is grace."

-John Dryden
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 04:49 PM
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9. Thank you for the thoughtful post.
It's good to see you posting again. Maybe I'm not here enough, but you seemed to disappear for a while. I for one missed seeing your posts about war and militarism. Sometimes I disagreed with you, but you always prefered argument and analysis to mere snark or spin, and I learned a lot from your posts.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:28 PM
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20. thanks, Vattel
Only a few posts from me in the past year because I lost my home internet connection. Better now, so . . . Nice to see you as well. I'm not immune from the snark, so I hope I'm more considerate this time around. Thanks for your kind words. :hi:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 04:54 PM
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10. "Swagger"?! What the hell is this, Monday Night Football??
War is serious business, dammit! It should be fought to win, if at all, but reluctantly, not with "swagger". In this context, swagger = disdain for human life. :grr:
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malthaussen Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 04:59 PM
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11. Seems to me
"war" and "disdain for human life" is a tautology.

-- Mal
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 06:46 PM
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13. At least we're withdrawing troops and winding down
...I think Obama's statements are far short of militaristic bluster, but I wouldn't even mind that as long as we continue to wind down, rather than build up.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 07:52 PM
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14. The president called for three-and-a-half more years of war
"The president called for three-and-a-half more years of war in Afghanistan, for what?" asked Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. "The whole premise of this war is wrong."

Even at the pace of withdrawal promised, some 70,000 troops will remain indefinitely with the President stating that, 'After this initial reduction, our troops will continue coming home at a steady pace as Afghan security forces move into the lead.'

That's just not enough, even if you believe the pace of withdrawal is going to be adhered to. Anything yet on those 10,000 that are supposed to leave in 2011?
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malthaussen Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 07:57 PM
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15. Don't Worry, Bigtree
We will have to withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan so we can use them in Iran or Uganda. Or possibly Detroit -- I'll have to get back to you on that.

-- Mal
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 08:34 PM
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17. I find it useful to imagine a realistic possibility that would satisfy me
Its very easy, when it comes to war, to never be satisfied with anything that is likely to happen. Then you wind up not just angry all the time, but a voice which nothing will ever satisfy - which is to say a voice that leads to nothing but anger, and can be followed to nothing but anger.

...so if the war is winding down and the troops are coming home, a three-year timetable is ok with me. Realistically, if you look at all the logistics and politics on the ground, that seems to be about how long it takes, short of an all-out disorderly retreat. I don't expect anything good in the aftermath, so I'd be happy to see any good result for the people there.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 08:53 PM
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19. I think this military leadership feeds and invites the cynicism
After all, we're still being led in these military expeditions by what is essentially the Bush team. This is the same bunch who ushered in this militaristic era in which other countries' sovereign borders are just abstractions in our government and military's terror offensive.

The truth is that there really isn't any new leadership in place in the military which would manage the escalated offensive in Afghanistan to some definitive end. If you take the view that the military forces are actually achieving the President's goals of 'defeating al-Qaeda', then it's understandable that you would be willing to wait three years for the completion of that task.

If, on the other hand, if you believe as I do, that the escalated military mission in Afghanistan is counterproductive to the President's stated goals and find the self-perpetuating pattern of attacks and reprisals that our military is tasked with in Afghanistan an anathema to the peace and reconciliation that the President's plan aspires to achieve, then your not going to have much patience for years of continued American military involvement in all of that.

Leaving Afghanistan will still be a 'retreat' three years from now. In the interim . . .
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 08:31 PM
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16. Heard of the worldwide "HEROIN DROUGHT" ? Bum swag all over Europe...
and the world.

Afghanistan no longer feeding $80,000,000,000/year street-value heroin through the drug gangs.

Maybe down to $20,000,000,000 or $15,000,000,000.

London price is up out of the reach for all but the richest junkies.

Btw: never forget the zeroeth rule:

FOLLOW THE MONEY.

The Ghan has been a drug war since 2005 for ASIF. For the U.S. since January 20, 2009.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 08:38 PM
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18. Good to see you back
always happy to read and rec your posts.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:45 PM
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21. hi, Autumn
nice to be back.

Sorry for the need for continued vigilance against the bigotry, imperialism, and militarism that has festered and grown in the last decade. Better days . . . :hi:
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