Regarding the conflict over cleaning the park (OWS NY)

[redgiant]

Am I missing something. Wouldn't it be a positive impression to give friends, foes, and uncommitteds alike if the protestors would be responsible and clean up their own messes?

[glowing]

1. They did clean up on Thursday. They had brooms, mops and even a power washer.

They picked items up, moved tarps around, put things up in bins.. and they cleaned the hell out of the park... in a point of over exaggeration. Most parks would never actually get mopped, but they did it with mops and buckets. There are pictures on the internet of the cleanup effort. Pictures were even posted on this message board.

On top of that, the occupiers were willing to let them come in on Friday and clean up 1/3 at a time. They would let them clean the first 1/3 and try to move back into the "cleaned" space, if they were not allowed back into the cleaned space, then they would hold the last 2/3's of the park. In the end, the mayor and police backed off.

Please inform yourself on the movement. It seems that you are not genuine.

[Name removed]

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[redgiant]

3. Have I done something wrong?

Am I not toeing the party line to your satisfaction?

The last time I got grief, I had asked a poster who wanted the wall street guy jailed to state what crime he had committed.

Later, Obama, in response to the press conf question about no WS prosecutions, said that laws were not necessarily broken. Seems like Obama and I are on the same level of understanding. So, some want due process for an American terrorist in Yemen, but wall street guys should go directly to jail. Got it.

Why did it take 4 weeks and a threat of enforced cleanup for OWS NY to decide to clean the park? Isn't that something that should have been considered from the get go? Pictures of a few people pushing brooms does not constitute proof of a clean up. If the park is being kept reasonably clean, good for the protestors. If not, it's something that should be considered a civic duty. Your mileage may vary.

[PETRUS]

5. fyi

Report: SEC has destroyed Wall Street probe records for 20 years

A former Securities and Exchange Commission lawyer has told Congress the Wall Street regulator has routinely destroyed records of initial investigations over the past 20 years, obliterating evidence of possible financial crimes by some of the same firms and individuals involved in the 2008 meltdown, Rolling Stone reports.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/08/report-sec-has-destroyed-wall-street-probe-records-for-20-years/1

More at the link...


PS. The protestors have been on top of sanitation and safety since the get-go, but chose to "deep clean" on Thursday for defensive purposes.

Read the news! Consult multiple sources! Knowledge is good for you!

[redgiant]

6. fyi

The previous post to which I referred had to do with a specific individual, not WS types in general. It's one thing to say that WS law-breakers should be prosecuted (I concur, of course), it's another to say a specific individual should be jailed without presenting evidence of law breaking.

[PETRUS]

7. Well, ignorance gets me in trouble sometimes, too.

(i.e. didn't see you other post)

In any case, the point is - with that kind of obstruction of justice, how are we supposed to know who/what/where/when/how?

[redgiant]

10. I was just so hurt...

...not to have been made to feel more welcome. This is a tough bunch.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. it is a bullshit issue intended to evict the protesters.

thanks for playing though.

[redgiant]

8. Dear Mr. Stupidity

Why is it a bullshit issue? Who would have prevented the protestors from reoccupying the park? Was there a police order to prevent reoccupation? If not, then the resistance to the cleanup was a bullshit issue.

[WillyT]

13. If You Are Going To Occupy A Place (Sometime Known As Civil Disobedience) You Don't Leave...

The protesters cleaned it... problem solved.







:shrug:

[redgiant]

14. See #8 n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

15. The NYPD would have prevented a re-occupation.

The plan was to evict and then ban any entry into the park with sleeping bags tents etc. The whole thing was and is completely unconstitutional. It turns out that a government cannot change the rules in order to suppress a constitutional assembly.

The GA of OWS has made every effort to accommodate any reasonable cleaning and maintenance requirements.

[FarLeftFist]

9. That park is so clean you can eat off the floors. I'm not kidding, it is the cleanest place in NYC.

[redgiant]

11. If that is really true...

...I rescind my OP, which may have been based on incomplete information.

[backscatter712]

12. They did.

Others have already explained it.