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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:21 PM
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Vanity Fair On Warren: “Geithner hated her” - She Knew The Secret Handshake Used It Against Them.
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 03:21 PM by kpete
The Woman Who Knew Too Much

Millions of Americans hoped President Obama would nominate Elizabeth Warren to head the consumer financial watchdog agency she had created. Instead, she was pushed aside. As Warren kicks off her run for Scott Brown’s Senate seat in Massachusetts, Suzanna Andrews charts the Harvard professor’s emergence as a champion of the beleaguered middle class, and her fight against a powerful alliance of bankers, lobbyists, and politicians.

By Suzanna Andrews Photograph by Nigel Parry


“My first choice is a strong consumer agency,” she said. “My second choice is no agency at all and plenty of blood and teeth left on the floor.”

........................

“Geithner hated her,”
says a former administration official. Part of it was seen as personal because she had scorched him in public. But the whole thrust of her work on the oversight panel—getting the facts out to the public—was at odds with Geithner’s perceived conviction, shared by the Wall Street establishment, that the details of the banks’ TARP rescue should be hidden from public scrutiny whenever possible in order to give the banks time to recover, an assessment that a Treasury spokesperson disputes, insisting that “Secretary Geithner initiated unprecedented disclosure requirements for financial institutions.”

According to Barofsky, however, “Treasury’s descriptions of what was happening were very skewed towards the positive and often incomprehensible. There was this reluctance towards transparency,” and Warren’s work on the oversight panel “helped bring light in a lot of dark areas.” As Treasury sought to cosset the banks, never requiring them, for example, as Barofsky points out, to explain what they were doing with their billions in TARP bailout money, Warren persisted. She went on television shows to criticize the government’s secrecy, the huge bank bonuses, the fact that even after the bailout the banks had escaped disciplinary measures. Obama’s top economic advisers, according to a former administration official, thought Warren was “a pain in the ass.” On Wall Street, Warren was regarded, says one bank vice-chairman, as “the Devil incarnate,” and, according to another executive, a “showboater,” who didn’t really know what she was talking about.

But her sin was actually quite the opposite: she knew what she was talking about. Wall Street’s power in Washington, says a former congressional staffer who worked on the Dodd-Frank bill, has been built partly on the fact that few people outside Wall Street understand the esoterica of finance—the intricacies of C.D.O.’s and the labyrinthian structures of credit-default swaps. And that knowledge is used to control and confuse. But Warren did understand. Says Carolyn Maloney, a New York Democratic representative, “She understands the information as well as the top players in the business.” She knew the secret handshake, the secret language—and she used it against “that tight little group,” as Warren would refer to Wall Street C.E.O.’s and Washington officials who basically controlled the terms of the bailout.

MORE:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:35 PM
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1. I remember when Warren was trying to do her job as TARP oversight
And she had to do it by going public on places like John Stewart's show to tell us that the foxes were having a feast while we were being told nothing.

As for the system being "complicated," I've only heard that excuse when someone doesn't want to talk about something. The issues are straightforward: Systemic fraud followed by lack of legal response to the fraud.

She's one of our best advocates for that reason- she doesn't dress it up and pretend it's good for everyone.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:38 PM
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2. Yep, it ain't that complicated.
It might involve some brain power, but nothing out of the extraordinary.

You say it all in two concise sentences: The issues are straightforward: Systemic fraud followed by lack of legal response to the fraud.

Autorank made the message in just seven words: it is all just one big Money Party.

While Mike Hudson likes to say: "Obama is about de-criminalizing Bank Fraud."
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:41 PM
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4. "Obama is about de-criminalizing Bank Fraud."
He seems to be about decriminalizing a lot of things...except for medical marijuana and protesting, of course.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:46 PM
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6. Well, he has to keep his "friends" happy.
I kept careful watch of him the very first Presidential Correspondants' Dinner, Spring 2009.

He edged away from Helen Thomas, something that no real "community activist" would ever do. Even though he, Michelle and Thomas were the only ones on the stage.

And then when discussing his Presidency, he referred to "my good buddy, Tim Geithner."

Funny how he never mentioned Geithner being his "good buddy" until after he was elected.

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PragmaticLiberal Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:34 PM
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60. Fwiw, Obama didn't know Geithner until after he was elected......
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #60
120. You need to look into
the interactions of their parents when they were kids.

Google Geither, Obama and the Ford Foundation.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 04:54 PM
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21. And whistle-blowers too make quite a trifecta
:patriot:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:05 PM
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23. Good point
I knew I was missing a few, but missing the Bradley Mannings of the world is inexcusable. Without them, we might never know what's going on in there...but that's probably the point.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:46 AM
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96. Nice post. PLUS ONE!
"Systemic fraud followed by lack of legal response to the fraud."
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 10:44 AM
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104. I saw her on the daily show
and thought she was articulate and honest.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:41 PM
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3. K & R for Vanity Fair.
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 03:41 PM by truedelphi
This is the story of the decade, and the New York Times has no excuse that they aren't the ones telling us about all these juicy tidbits, corrupt events, and corrupted officials. I mean, much of the story is taking place right in their front yard!

Except of course that they have far too many ties to Wall Street to bite the hand that is feeding them.

So we have to rely on Rolling Stone's Matt Taibi, and on Vanity Fair.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 07:08 AM
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83. + 1
eom
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:51 AM
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98. +2
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 02:36 PM
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119. Yeh.........
I don't even bother to read my NYT online much any more. That they had Thomas Sowell wrote the op-ed about the beginning of occupy wallstreet, says it all.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:43 PM
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5. I don't feel Geithner has my best interests at heart.
And I still want him to hang.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:58 PM
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10. +1 nt
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Puget Progressive Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 11:51 PM
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74. Agreed on both points. Geithner is a
shameless shill for Wall Street, particularly Goldman Sachs. Of course he hates Warren. She reminds him of when he still had a conscience. As to that group, what a Rogue's Gallery of corporate criminals and Congressional whores. I'd like to see the whole damn bunch investigated and prosecuted.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 04:02 PM
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123. There was a point when Geithner had a conscience?
Tell that to the Japanese, who watched him destroy their hopes for a quick recovery, using the same tactics there in the nineties that he is using on us in the 2010's.

When Obama announced Geithner as our Treasury Secretary, the press in the Far East and Australia had a field day.


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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:48 AM
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97. Geithner should go back to making toys with his elf friends,
except I think he'd be under-qualified for the job.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:46 PM
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7. Wow. Long, good read. Validates
a lot of what we knew: It wasn't just Republicans.

K & R.
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newblewtoo Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:59 PM
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13. + 1 K&R
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 04:29 PM by newblewtoo
You are exactly right in all your comments.

Great post kpete well worth the read.

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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 12:42 PM
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115. It STILL is going on
And the Democrats Geithner and Obama are in charge of it. :puke:

Obama is not going to be re-elected.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:48 PM
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8. K&R n/t
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:49 PM
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9. Geithner and this gaggle of Congressmen
*ARE* the problem. Can you say conflict of interest? These hoodlums are taking money from Wall Street then serving as their mouthpieces. That isn't what Democracy looks like - that's what plutocracy looks like.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 06:38 AM
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81. This is what an auction looks like
and the highest bidders seize control of the government.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 12:57 PM
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118. Nice summation. nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:59 PM
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11. Everybody Knows,
Everybody Knows,
Though some
Pretend not to.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 03:59 PM
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12. Important piece, kpete - thanks. I think if ANYONE were to read
this, the situation would be made clear and they could see through the BS we're being fed.

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:32 PM
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42. ^ I totally agree, Gately. A must read ^ n/t
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EdMaven Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 04:09 PM
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14. k&r. The Geithners and Obamas go back a generation. And timmy was groomed
for his job from the cradle.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 10:45 AM
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105. Yes...Rockefeller Foundation.. Geithner's father, Obama's mother. n/t
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EdMaven Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 12:09 PM
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111. Ford Foundation.
From January 1981 to November 1984, Dunham was the program officer for women and employment in the Ford Foundation's Southeast Asia regional office in Jakarta.<36><42> While at the Ford Foundation, she developed a model of microfinance which is now the standard in Indonesia, a country that is a world leader in micro-credit systems.<44> Peter Geithner, father of Tim Geithner (who later became U.S. Secretary of the Treasury in her son's administration), was head of the foundation's Asia grant-making at that time.<45>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 06:45 PM
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124. GACK! YES... Ford Foundation. Humble Apologies...! Thanks for Correction and Post.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 04:11 PM
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15. Kind of a heartbreaking,eye opening article.
We have been deceived and we are fucked.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:43 PM
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37. +10000000
It is important to see with clear eyes.

The hope now comes from OWS.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 11:49 AM
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110. Annd then we'll multiply.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 04:12 PM
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16. Nothing new here. Remember Brooksley Born?
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:47 PM
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47. hmph.
We all know THAT classic story: Ms. Born is an 'uppity female' who challenged the primacy of Uncle Miltie and his minions. Worse, she knew whereof she spoke.

Sounds like Ms. Warren is up against the same myopic sexism, for much the same reasons.

Here's what should be of concern to everyone watching with bated breath as the global economy teeters on the brink of catastrophic reordering:

{Born} once again warned about the danger of Dark Markets, now grown to $680 trillion of notional value, according to the Bank for International Settlements -- "more than 10 times the amount of the gross national product (sic) of all the countries in the world."


(emphasis mine)

Does anyone out there TRULY believe that our global economy has the combined resources to cover this ginormous financial Black Hole?!

(Oh, and, just FYI, there are many, many more of us who are savvy about matters economic than Summers, Geithner and their ilk would care to acknowledge...)
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 04:22 PM
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17. nothing new here...just sounds like Old Boys Club v. token female
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 04:27 PM
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18. wtf, she was not 'pushed aside' for the consumer watchdog post.

She agreed that the Pugs would not allow her that position or drag it out for as long as possible. She needed to get to work asap, and did.

jesus.
If the article starts off with this shitty nonsense lie, what point is there in continuing reading it.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:26 PM
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26. Have a link to a Warren quote that backs you up? nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:36 PM
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:26 PM
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33. Its true - Warren never wanted to be director
"Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), one of the authors of the Dodd-Frank law, said yesterday that Warren did not want to go through that process. “She always said she didn’t want to be there as a permanent director. Some of the liberals are worried about it. It’s almost an insult to Elizabeth. She wouldn’t take this if there was the slightest impediment to her doing the job.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/97736/with-warren-cfpb-post-more-questions-than-answers

Barney Frank would know.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:53 PM
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49. Bullshit, and if you're going to quote Frank, you should give the full quote.
Elizabeth Warren made it clear to the White House while it was debating her nomination to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that she was not interested in a five-year term to run the agency. Barney Frank, a Warren ally, delivered that message to the White House, he told HuffPost in an interview Thursday.

"She always said she didn't want to be there as a permanent director. Some of the liberals are worried about it. It's almost an insult to Elizabeth. She wouldn't take this if there was the slightest impediment to her doing the job," he said.

He later said she did want the position and didn't get it because of gender bias.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/07/28/281626/barney-frank-elizabeth-warren-was-not-appointed-to-head-cfpb-because-of-gender-bias
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 06:22 AM
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79. "She always said she didn't want to be there as a permanent director."
That's pretty cut and dried. You get a permanent job with a confirmation hearing. You get a temporary job with an interim appointment.

She's doing what she wants to do--running against Brown for the MA Senate seat.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #33
89. yeah... after she realize all the corruption around her
thanks for playing
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:05 PM
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54. How about an entire interview?
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:36 PM
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29. I love Vanity Fair and have for years
But I remember reading in more than one place from great sources that she did not want the job and decided against it because she knew she'd be a lightning rod for Repubs.

A two second search turned up this - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/gop-blocks-elizabeth-warren-cfpb_n_857780.html

Then of course, there's her Senate run.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:08 PM
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32. Warren Didn't Want Perm Appt. to CFPB
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/16/warren-didnt-want-permane_n_719932.html

"She always said she didn't want to be there as a permanent director. Some of the liberals are worried about it. It's almost an insult to Elizabeth. She wouldn't take this if there was the slightest impediment to her doing the job," he (Barney Frank) said.

An administration official said that Warren will be officially named on Friday as an "assistant to the president," the same title that Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and other top officials hold, as well as a special adviser to the Treasury, overseeing the establishment of the CFPB.
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. Give up. Its sunk into DU myth now! Reality be damned!
just like the myth that Geithner worked at Goldman. Not a smidgen of truth - but the myth lives on strong.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 08:52 AM
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90. your partial quotes of Barney Frank make you untrustworthy in discussions.
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 08:59 AM
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91. Ha! I provided the full quote. The quote is the part inside these " " things
The story above added stuff without a direct quotation.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:43 PM
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45. The ONLY source you guys can point to is Barney Frank...

He was sent out there to smooth the waters, nothing more.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 08:40 AM
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87. Well that's good because I think she'd be a very effective president -
and I hope she runs as soon as possible (2012 wouldn't be too soon for me)
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:59 PM
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51. Look, Warren allies know she very much wanted the position.
Countless people spent countless hours behind the scenes fighting on her behalf.

She was driven out. Vanity Fair got the story right.
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #51
56. Its a moot point now and always has been. The GOP will block anyone
that Obama nominates - even through the next term.

Government is broken. The Senate is likely to go GOP in 2013 with a 23-10 imbalance in incumbents. And the president is attacked 24/7 from "true progressives".

Commerce Secretary is blocked - Bryson (a great pick). And the attacks go on.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #51
69. Look, even Warren allies said she didn't want the job
If she was "driven out" it was only because she didn't want to let Republicans make her the issue.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #18
48. Let me guess...
anyone who criticizes Obama is paving the way for the Republicans to prevail in 2012? And, we all want pretty ponies with rainbows shooting out of their butts?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:57 PM
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50. You guys repeatedly push this lie, which was debunked long ago.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:07 PM
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55. You are 100% correct! Read this...
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:12 PM
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57. The article you linked to is pure conjecture..
based on the same single, ancient, discredited Barney Frank quote everyone else tries to use as "proof" that water isn't wet.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:59 PM
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64. No, it is not...
There are links to actual video interviews where she makes it clear she did not want the long term job...It is obvious she wants to be a Senator.

Elizabeth Warren set the agency up EXACTLY the way SHE wanted & the nominee to run it was HER 1st choice! Why are you & others against HER & what she wants to do?

Seriously, there is no argument here! LOL! It is time to LET IT GO & begin listening to Elizabeth Warren & supporting her run for Senate...Because that is what she wants which is all that matters, period.


Listen to Elizabeth Warren, her praise for Obama & her praise for the man nominated!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/43803229#43803229

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #64
70. Ha!
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 10:26 PM by Number23
Seriously, there is no argument here! LOL!

You know as well as I do that some folks will ALWAYS find something to argue about!

Warren could stand on a stack of bibles and state "I DID NOT WANT THIS JOB" in 17 languages and some folks here will not only deny that she said it, they will somehow manage to parse her statement so that it somehow becomes Obama's fault that she didn't want it!
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:37 AM
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94. So true!! nt.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 03:04 PM
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121. Yes, it is. I read it.
Edited on Sun Oct-16-11 03:13 PM by girl gone mad
Warren never said she would not accept the job. She was the best person, by far, for the position.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that she was still vying to head the CFPB as late as May. Running for Senate was not her first choice.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:42 PM
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72. Good point. There is no point in reading this farcical crap.
Not only did Warren herself say that she no longer wanted the position, there were numerous threads started right here at the DU telling us that.

So, thanks for pointing out that this Vanity Fair article really is just tripe.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:00 AM
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92. You've never heard of being politic
pol·i·tic
adj \ˈpä-lə-ˌtik\
1: political
2: characterized by shrewdness in managing, contriving, or dealing
3: sagacious in promoting a policy
4: shrewdly tactful

When others inside the beltway say that she was pushed-aside and it was obvious to anybody paying attention...I'd say that, over her shrewd assertion otherwise, is fact. It does nobody good for her to claim she was shoved-off because she was an enemy to Geithner (Can we find a way to get rid of that asshole already?) or a threat to the powers that be. The real problem lies in that we can't clean the system of the influence of the bankers' cabal.

You should read it because you might learn something.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:54 AM
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99. Continue reading it
Just a suggestion.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 04:39 PM
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19. Kicked and recommended for Warren and Vanity Fair.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.:thumbsup:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:01 PM
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22. I had a brief spark of hope that she would get appointed, but then I realized the administration
didn't really want her.

I hope she gets to kick ass and take names in the very near future.

Go Elizabeth, go!

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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:08 PM
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24. So did I.
Now I'm all out of hope for the Obama administration to do anything other than its master's bidding.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:20 PM
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25. Warren has more integrity in her pinky finger than all 8 of these tools combined.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:41 PM
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30. Amen my dear Progressive friend, Amen indeed.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:32 PM
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27. "Make no mistake: it was either Warren or Geithner"
"I made the choice that best served the folks I represent. "

For the parody-challenged: that is not an actual quote.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:45 PM
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31. 43 million from Wall St.
:puke:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:26 PM
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66. And I thought that most of his donations came from the "little people".
:eyes:







:7
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:29 PM
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34. they needed a charismatic moderate democrat and they knew obama was their man
they got exactly what they paid for.

we have no options left.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:45 PM
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39. We have OWS, and it is spreading across the globe.
They will try to co-opt it, but I think the people are on to them this time.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:50 PM
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40. OWS should carry a banner
with all their faces like VF's.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:31 PM
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35. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!
:kick:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:42 PM
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36. Powerful, devastating article. K&R
But it wasn’t just Republicans. In May, Christopher Dodd, the former Democratic senator from Connecticut, who had chaired the powerful Senate Banking Committee, denied to Politico the rumors that he was trying to kill Warren’s nomination. But his cryptic statement about people with “ego” problems standing in the way of the bureau was widely seen as a poison dart aimed at Warren. During the passage of Dodd-Frank, Dodd, who is now chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America, was seen as one of Warren’s more influential opponents. Among Wall Street’s staunchest allies—to the tune, in his last election, of almost $4 million in campaign donations for a race he did not even complete—he had sponsored the reform bill in the Senate but had several times appeared to yield to bank opposition, entertaining a number of proposals that would have either killed the C.F.P.B. outright or severely restricted its independence. Warren fought back, not only by calling in support from the White House, but also by speaking out in public. In March 2010 she lashed out in the Huffington Post: “My first choice is a strong consumer agency,” she said. “My second choice is no agency at all and plenty of blood and teeth left on the floor.”

If the friction between Warren and Dodd was an open secret, there would be other Democrats—apparent allies—who also appeared to be trying to pry her away from the C.F.P.B. Those most notable would be Senators Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer, who led the effort, which began in the late spring, to encourage Warren to leave Washington to run against Scott Brown, the Massachusetts Republican, who is up for re-election next year. Some speculated that they were doing the president’s dirty work, trying to rescue him from a tough decision. But others would note the gush of Wall Street donations these Democrats received for their 2010 elections: $6.2 million for Chuck Schumer, the most of any senator, and $4.7 million for Harry Reid, who would clock in as the third-highest beneficiary of Wall Street largesse in the Senate—after New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand—according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
....
But for weeks Obama did nothing. As the attacks on Warren and the C.F.P.B. heated up during May and June, the silence from the White House was deafening. Even leading Democrats, like Barney Frank, were confused about the president’s intentions—would he name Warren in a recess appointment or not? And they were stunned when Obama jettisoned her.
....
Speaking from a car on her way from one campaign event to another, Warren told me that the stakes are too high for her not to run, too high not to try to continue the fight “for the middle class.” Too high not to try to bring it into the belly of the beast, to the floor of the U.S. Congress. Middle-class families “are getting hammered and you know Washington doesn’t get it,” she said. “G.E. doesn’t pay any taxes and we are asking college kids to take on even more debt to get an education, and asking seniors to get by on less. These aren’t just economic questions. These are moral questions.”
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 06:51 PM
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41. The good news is, Obama is agressively going after pot dispensaries.
The people who ripped you off with CDO's will still be lighting cigars with $1000 bills, but at least you won't have to worry about cancer grannies getting high, since your tax dollars are right now paying for heavily armed SWAT teams to drag them off to prison by whatever hair they have left.

Yippeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:33 PM
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43. Kpete, thank you for the link and OP.
And thank you, Vanity Fair, for being UNAFRAID. :)
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:37 PM
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44. Obama placated his big ($43 million) donors; what will he do for his big $1billion donors?
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 07:40 PM by Divernan
Now here comes the "Oh, he has thousands of small donors" crew. Save it! I took graduate level statistics.

So for every 10,000 little donors who give under $250, he has one big donor/industry which gives one million dollars.

Who's he gonna placate?

Another four year term! So many favors owed, so many regulations to be gutted, so little time!
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 07:47 PM
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46. Also, the number of actual "small donors" is significantly smaller than WH attempts to suggest:
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:03 PM
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53. Placate?! Well, now,
let's not forget the patronizing dismissal of anyone who expresses concerns about Mr. Obama's appointees... Or, the condescension heaped upon us when we criticize his performance thus far... Or, Teh Hallowed List that gets trotted out whenever anyone raises an alarm about this POTUS...

We are single-handedly throwing the 2012 elections, donchaknow?
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:03 PM
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52. PURE BULLSHIT!!!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:12 PM
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58. Try reading the article in total before making auto replies! LOL n/t
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:40 PM
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61. Help me out...What part of the article did I miss?
"auto-replies" WTF? LOL!

Elizabeth Warren has made it 100% clear she did not want the long term job & the person nominated was HER 1st CHOICE! It is what it is! She set it up just the way she wanted it & the nominee is who she wanted to run it. There is no argument here...LET IT GO!!

Elizabeth Warren is doing exactly what she wants to do & it amazes me how many folks like yourself want to dictate what she does instead of listening to what she says & is doing. Jeez?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43797680#43797680

Anyway, she could do so much more in the Senate & she knows this...Maybe you & others should respect what she wants & stop trying to create make believe problems.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:53 PM
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63. VF article not primarily about whether or not Warren wanted or was kept from CPA appt
It's a concise but thorough examination about the politicians and bankers lined up against Ms. Warren over the past few years.

IIRC, I never argued with anybody about whether or not Ms. Warren was denied a position she had been promised. I'm not a rabid political zealot who sweats the small stuff and am not 'trying to create make believe problems'. :7
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:05 PM
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65. That is nice to hear...
I love Elizabeth Warren & she got to set up this agency exactly like she wanted...Now she has a very good shot at becoming a US Senator where she could help do even more for the middle class that should would not otherwise been able to do simply running the agency.

I just wish those who claim to love Elizabeth Warren would back her & what she wants to do & stop trying to push this idea that Obama believes in a male dominated world & passed her up. That is so ridiculous of an idea but yet we see how many here on DU seem to want to believe it. Not only that but demand we all believe it! SAD!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:16 PM
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59. Warren will be a great Senator. Watch her make Timmy squirm in 2009 (video)
I remembered this video coverage from 2009.Geithner can't stand the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz7ruJw6byQ
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 10:22 AM
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101. With actual squirming!

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:53 PM
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62. Barofsky was also likely on Geithner's enemies list. He's gone, too.
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 08:56 PM by chill_wind
Like Warren, he wanted to see more confrontation of DC insiders/ banksterism. Admin didn't exactly want that fight.



After more than two years as the SIGTARP -- an acronym of off-putting proportion -- Barofsky resigned on March 30. "When I first started this job in 2008, I felt like there was a collaborative effort with the Treasury Department," he says. "We were in the trenches together. Then my job turned into blunting the effects of their bad decisions. And then it just devolved into battling with Treasury itself. I used to have a weekly meeting with them, but I didn't have one after late September."

The cooled ardor from the Treasury doesn't really surprise Barofsky. In quarterly reports and more than a dozen TARP audits, his office often showed the Treasury in a dim light. His resignation not only ends that unusually open bureaucratic drama, but, more significantly, also shrinks the tiny activist, take-on-the-banks wing of government insiders.



How to lose friends in Washington: Be TARP cop
By Duff McDonald, Contributing Editor April 5, 2011: 9:40 AM ET

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/04/05/how-to-lose-friends-in-washington-be-tarp-cop/#more-13356
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:11 PM
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67. Kick & Rec
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:20 PM
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68. K & R, and bookmarking to read later.
Looks like a very important article.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:30 PM
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71. K & R!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 11:30 PM
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73. When the pres fires timmy and hires Elizabeth,
fires arne and hires Diane . . . then I'll think about putting in the money and effort I did getting him elected. I've been told he doesn't need me, doesn't want me, doesn't care what I think. Okay. So he can get a nice reagan democrat to do the stuff I did. Lots of them around.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 05:02 AM
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78. and where does Elizabeth wanting to become a senator fit into your reality?
does it matter at all what she wants, or should she do what YOU want?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 11:46 AM
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109. You run with that meme.
Surely you know that she was pushed out of the administration by timmy and his wall street buddies. She had committed the ultimate sin in the boys network. She, a woman, had caught timmy in his lying ways in front of other guys. Because he had the wall street backing to get her shelved, she was shelved.

Now. When you last got dumped, did you run around whining that you got dumped? Did you loudly proclaim to all your buddies that you wanted back, that you were heartbroken? Elizabeth is stronger stuff. She brushed it off, and even though she had previously said she didn't want elected office, decided to take up the offers and run in Mass. From there she can rain down on timmy and her former political supporter, the one who chose timmy over her.

Hey. I would rather she be a senator. I think she can do more there than in an already corrupted treasury dept. But if Obama had the balls to admit he had been led astray by the likes of timmy and arne and actually do something about it by at least trying to hire the ones who tried to point out his errors, it would go a long way toward proving that these two "errors" were not representative of Obama's real feelings. It would help prove that he realized a mistake. Otherwise, it would seem that he thinks just like timmy and arne. Do you?
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 02:04 AM
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75. OUTRAGEOUS!
bookmarked and recommended


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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 02:21 AM
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76. k&r n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 04:36 AM
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77. she is battling bought-and-paid-for-whores
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 06:27 AM
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80. And WHEN she becomes our first woman president
(yeah, I said it), I'm going to offer up a one-finger salute and a loud "fuck you" to the good ole boys who tried to shut her out.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 07:01 AM
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82. She would be great as president - a true public servant!
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 03:28 PM
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122. Hillary Clinton has a better chance to be our first woman president.
Elizabeth Warren is great, but she hasn't even been elected to the Senate yet. On the other hand, Hillary has quite a resume.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 05:55 AM
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125. Yes she does,
including being very chummy with the corporations. Sorry, we don't need Obama in a pant suit anymore than we need Obama.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 09:50 AM
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126. You are expressing your preference. But the question was who will be our first woman president, not
who you want to be our next president.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 09:47 AM
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127. I'm expressing reality
Progressives aren't going to get out and work for a pro-corproate Hillary any more than they'll get out and work for a pro-corporate Obama in 2012. Fool me once and all that.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 07:28 AM
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84. Geithner has been...
...a cancer within the Obama presidency since his appointment (Summers too, etc.). Regarding this, the president doesn't seem to be a very good judge of political character.

:shrug:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 10:25 AM
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102. I think you give the President
too much credit.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 07:33 AM
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85. She would have done a great job heading up that agency,
but I'm hoping she can do even more good as a senator. I can just picture her on investigative committees, kicking ass and taking names. :)



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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 08:15 AM
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86. As always, great post, kpete. nt
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 08:43 AM
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88. k&r n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:29 AM
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93. I'm beginning to wonder how she is still alive.
Maybe the invisible brown shirts or whatever haven't figured out a way to silence her yet. I'm worried for her safety and reputation.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:40 AM
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95. I hope she stays out of small planes as she is campaigning...
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 10:17 AM
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100. My favorite part
At the end of his remarks, Obama turned to Warren and kissed her on the cheek. She smiled gamely, though if there are kisses a woman can do without, this was one of them. A Judas kiss, some would say. But if so, the betrayal was not just of Elizabeth Warren. In his remarks, Obama would hint at what had happened to Warren, commenting that she had faced “very tough opposition” and had taken “a fair amount of heat.” He also alluded to the powerful forces arrayed against her, and against the C.F.P.B.—“the army of lobbyists and lawyers right now working to water down the protections and reforms that we’ve passed,” the corporations that pumped “tens of millions of dollars” into the fight, and “ allies in Congress.” But he was mincing his words. The fight against Warren and the C.F.P.B. was one of the most brutal Washington battles this year, up there with the debt-ceiling showdown and now the looming battle over the jobs bill—but part of the same war. Arrayed against Warren, and today against the very existence of the C.F.P.B., was the full force of what many, most notably Simon Johnson, the M.I.T. professor and former International Monetary Fund chief economist, have called the American financial oligarchy: Wall Street firms and banks supported mainly by Republican members of Congress, but also politicians on the other side of the aisle, along with members of Obama’s own inner circle.

K&R
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 10:27 AM
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103. In the end the prez stood with the good ol' boys - and on the wrong side of history...
We'll see if he has what it takes to do something to change that between now and Nov. 2012.
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 11:22 AM
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106. They are all corrupt....
I'm sorry but every member of the Administration and Congress, both Democrat and Republican, are corrupt. It may not be that was their inclination but once they were in the mix, they became members of "the club". I have tremendous respect for people like Sherrod Brown of Ohio, but I think the only way to cleanse our system is a total overhaul. We need to get money out of politics and wipe the slate clean by dumping everyone. It may take some good people with the rest but we have to do this to get our democracy back.
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 11:24 AM
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107. K&R (n/t)
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 11:38 AM
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108. Definitely upping my donations to her camapaign n/t
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 12:27 PM
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112. Can't thank you enough for posting this. My personal hero. nt
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 12:34 PM
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113. When Warren wins the MA Senate seat, we will be well
represented, an incredible woman, and a treasure for working class America.
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 12:42 PM
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114. K & R
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BetsysGhost Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 12:49 PM
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116. and a K&R
thanks kpete.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 12:52 PM
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117. Sexists corrupt bastards. get them out!
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