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dynasaw Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 04:28 PM
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So Glenn Beck and Teabaggers Like Thomas Paine
Here are some things Paine had to say that may surprise them.

The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense.

The Bible is a book that has been read more, and examined less, than any book that ever existed.

Priests and conjurors are of the same trade.

The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up.


To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.

Reason and Ignorance, the opposites of each other, influence the great bulk of mankind. If either of these can be rendered sufficiently extensive in a country, the machinery of government goes easily on. Reason obeys itself; and Ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.

An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.


Toleration is not the opposite of intolerance but the counterfeit of it. Both are despotisms: the one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, the other of granting it.

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression.


An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.

It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving, it consists in professing to believe what one does not believe.


I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies another this right makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.


Independence is my happiness, and I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good.


Customs will often outlive the remembrance of their origin.



When I contemplate the natural dignity of man; when I feel (for Nature has not been kind enough to me to blunt my feelings) for the honor and happiness of its character, I become irritated at the attempt to govern mankind by force and fraud, as if they were all knaves and fools, and can scarcely avoid disgust at those who are thus imposed upon.


I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.


To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.


As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of all government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system.

It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.

There is scarcely any part of science, or anything in nature, which those imposters and blasphemers of science, called priests, as well Christians as Jews, have not, at some time or other, perverted, or sought to pervert to the purpose of superstition and falsehood.

The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 04:30 PM
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1. Some atheists like MLK
Words and views on one thing do matter on another ;)
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 04:33 PM
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2. Paine advocated a guaranteed minimum income
as did MLK Jr.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 06:02 PM
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9. Paine was a proto-Socialist.
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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 04:36 PM
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3. To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
Good one.

All week I've been wondering about all the "unreasonable" things we have to live with, and why those "who have renounced their reason" and are proudly ignorant, so badly want to lead the masses.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 04:44 PM
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4. Wow. I've finally found something that Glenn Beck and I can agree upon! n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 05:32 PM
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5. K&R
I see you repeated some of your favorites, perhaps.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 05:35 PM
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6. Had they ever met, Thomas Paine would have kicked Glenn Beck right in the teabag.
That's not even a joke- he totally would have done that.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 05:54 PM
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7. k & R!
n/t
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thaddeus_flowe Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 05:57 PM
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8. hypocrisy is one of beck's favorite virtues...
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression."

i dig it, paine.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 06:06 PM
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10. Paine was so ahead of his time, a remarkable man.
"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion."

Sounds like one of those evil New Atheists like Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchins! :rofl:
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 06:11 PM
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11. great post nt
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:23 PM
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12. Great post! Something tells me that the lackeys that work for Beck's...
"Research team" know full well that Paine is not "one of them.". But, of course, projection can go botj ways and Beck's listeners aren't of the type to do their own research or expend the energy to understand Paine's opinions or point of view...much easier to take a snake-oil salesman's word for it.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:00 AM
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13. It's kind of like they've never really read anything by him, isn't it?
Just more of the same trend we usually recognize among conservatives......don't read up or study on anything, just believe what Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh says about it.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:51 AM
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14. K&R n/t
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