Beck on OWS: "This is a Marxist revolution that is global in nature."

[white_wolf]

I wish! However, I'm afraid comrade Beck is a bit optimistic. Seriously, though does this idiot even think before he opens his mouth? Here is the link, its a clip from Pappa Bear's show, so be warned you have to deal with them both, and it's on Beck's website. You can just skip to the 2:50 mark to see the part I quoted. http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/10/15/glenn-on-oreilly-factor-occupy-wall-street-global-in-nature/

[mike_c]

1. that works for me....

Too bad it's not, but the American fall is still young, LOL.

[vets74]

43. "What do we want ? -- JOBS !!" -- chant walking up to Times Square

And there's this that spread out:



Financial managers caused this Depression of 2008.

Massive frauds.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

47. Well said.

:thumbsup:

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Well Beck has this right

it is a revolution... marxist... nope... but it is a revolution.

Of course any revolution would be scary to Mr. Beck unless it was a neocon revolution

[Earth_First]

3. Hey, Glenn: boo!

:rofl:

[ixion]

4. proving that Beck hasn't bothered to read Marx, either

among a long, long list of other critical thinkers.

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. #OWS on Beck: Haha! (Nelson voice)

[Drale]

6. This just proves Beck has no fucking idea what he is talking about

if this was a Marxist revolution, it would be a violent revolution, this is more Lasallian in nature. Revolution through political action rather then violence.

[coalition_unwilling]

16. Excuse me, but where in Marx' canon do you find support for

"a violent revolution"? Maybe a Marxist-Leninist revolution (with its notion of a revolutionary vanguard leading the proletariat) might be violent. But I'm not aware of Marx himself calling for violence to overthrow capitalism. Marx saw capitalism's overthrow as historically inevitable.

[Puregonzo1188]

23. And even then the Bolshevik Revolution itself wasn't that violent at all.

Mostly because they had the support of the people and Kerensky's government just packed up and left. The historic seizing of the White Palace was mostly just taking an empty building. In fact, the Bolsheviks even ruled in coalition with another party for six months.

The Civil War, on the other hand, was incredibly violent on all sides, with the Bolsheviks doing some pretty nasty things.

[rugger1869]

31. Indeed.

Lenin and Trotsky advocated for a militant revolution, opposed to the incrementalism of the German Coummunists. Marx, for all that he's held up to be, was a philosopher that saw Capitalism for what it was. Nothing more, nothing less.

[socialist_n_TN]

33. Yep. And Lenin and Trotsky got the Bolsheviks

to power in Russia and the German incrementalists got Hitler to power in Germany. Things that make you go "Hmmm..."

The point is that the revolution doesn't have to be violent. It depends on what the capitalists do. Do they resist or give in to the inevitable? It's all on them.

[rugger1869]

37. I agree

and we should be concerned about violence. It will come from the right. I have several long-time friend that have gone "righty" over the years. They collect guns and prepare for the "zombies." I'm afraid we may be the zombies they are talking about.

[socialist_n_TN]

38. Well, I'm not advocating violence, but I've always been a

big believer in self defense. A lot of old school lefties are. We've got guns too.

[rugger1869]

40. +1

I'm not advocating violence either. I just hope everyone is prepared.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Where exactly does Hegelian evolution

Imply violent revolution? Yes, the Dialectic comes straight from Hegel.

[white_wolf]

26. Marx broke with Hegel though.

Hegel believed it was ideas that shaped the world, Marx believed the material world shaped ideas.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Still the mechanism comes straight

From Hegel's theory of history. Neither call for violent revolution but rather evolution. That was the point.

[Initech]

7. Has he ever read the Communist Manifesto?

[white_wolf]

8. I don't think Beck has read anything that isn't by Ayn Rand or Joseph Smith.

How he combines those two is beyond me.

[MisterP]

22. Cleon Skousen is the juncture

[BeHereNow]

29. How do you know he CAN read? None of his followers can.

LOL!
BHN

[white_wolf]

44. Because unlike his followers Beck is actually rather smart.

He's made millions playing off the fears of people. He's a terrible excuse for a human being, but he isn't stupid.

[BeHereNow]

45. I was making a joke... about his flock of true believers

I know he can read and yes he is smart.
Unfortunately he is also EVIL.
And that's no joke.
BHN

[Puregonzo1188]

9. SEIU and Code Pink caused the Egyptian revolution?

Crazy, crazy shit.

[white_wolf]

11. Yeah I'm trying to figure that one out.

I also want to know why wealthy capitalist like George Soreos would be be backing a communist movement.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

21. I thought that he (and other wingers) were saying that Muslim Brotherhood

was responsible for it? I'm getting confused. :shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Those ladies sure travel

:-)

[Dover]

10. ...and give his site 'hits'? No thanks. I already know he's an idiot...n/t

[Kingofalldems]

12. Anyone not agreeing with him is a Marxist

[Starry Messenger]

13. Gah!

Marxism is a social science. That's like saying people living in gravity are all Newtonians.

[white_wolf]

14. You know I have to admit.

Sometimes I was Beck was right, because then we'd have socialism by tomorrow.

[Starry Messenger]

15. That would be skipping a lot of steps.

It's slow going, but it's all grist for the mill. :) In a way, he is right, since response to economic crisis like this was written about extensively by Marx, et. al. but wrong in that the Marxists certainly didn't invent revolution and other progressive struggles, they examined them. And predicted them.

I think the country has made an amazing amount of progress in a few short weeks, but I don't think revolution per se will ever quite happen here unless there is a disaster (which would be bad). Our system of government is really pretty stable. But the power of people banding together to make their wants known has also had a long and effective tradition in this country. Even the New Deal didn't come about without massive actions in the streets.

[white_wolf]

18. I agree with your assessment.

I don't think we will see a true revolution will happen, but I do see a mass social-democrat party emerging in the next decade which will replace one of the two parties.

[Scuba]

17. Beckkk is a small glob of santorum. n/t

[OffWithTheirHeads]

19. This pic from Occupy Tucson pretty much sums it up.

It didn't come out as clear as I would have liked but...

[Proud Liberal Dem]

20. Oh Glenn

:eyes:

It's really saying something, when you lose your show on Fox News. Of course, after last November you had pretty much outlived your usefulness to them. C'est lavie!

[progressoid]

28. Glenn who?

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. Everything out of these klowns' mouths sounds like the Swedish chef, if he were really really MEAN.

[Fuzz]

32. Either they are insignificant, whiney, smelly, hippies or Marxist revolutionaries. Can't have both.

[MFrohike]

34. Ah, Beck

You keep talking like this, they're going to kick you off the internet too! When you're too crazy for Fox, it's time to voluntarily commit yourself, sir!

I guess Glenn thinks Marx started the class system. He probably thinks every king and baron (or equivalent) was really just an average middle class guy. It's like the Paulites, who are convinced the business cycle didn't exist prior to the Fed. I guess the people who lived through the multiple depressions of the 19th century were just imagining things.

Rambling, sorry. :P

[socialist_n_TN]

35. The only thing "Marxist" about the OWS protests

is the fact that they've made the connection between economics, politics, and power. That's the same connection that Marx (and others) have made. But that's it. BUT since this is a connection that the capitalists have tried to hide from the general public forEVER, then when a popular movement also makes this connection, it probably DOES appear Marxist to them.

I'm a Marxist and I know Marxists and Glenn, OWS isn't Marxist. Most Marxists I know are waiting for OWS to shit or get off the pot by, AT LEAST, naming the system that has caused that laundry list of abuses. When they NAME capitalism, then we can start talking about solutions and Marxist ones will come up. Until then, we'll watch things with interest.

[rugger1869]

36. SS;DD

For the Republicans to drag out the same old moth-eaten scarecrow of "socialism" again in 1950--after having used it, or something very like it, in opposition to every progressive step the Nation has taken since 1933--is an insult to the intelligence of the American people. Out of the great progress of this country, out of our great advances in achieving a better life for all, out of our rise to world leadership, the Republican leaders have learned nothing. Confronted by the great record of this country, and the tremendous promise of its future, all they can croak is "socialism!"

- Harry S. Truman , 02/16/1950

[Iris]

39. Jeez, Glen. Exaggerate much?

[Iris]

42. Oh, wait. I know why he's mad. The "Teabaggers" have not been able to make a funny & demeaning

nickname out of OWS!

[workinclasszero]

41. There goes Glenny Beck pissing his pants and cryin like a two year old

It sells a lot of reich wing books apparently.:eyes:

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

46. Is that dipshit still around?

I'm not clicking on his site. That'll give his sponsors more reason to continue sponsoring him.