Occupy Wall Street's first ad... as they made it

[Coexist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O_Ao9w1u7c

[dkf]

1. See OWS Is about politics, yet they aren't organizing politically.

That whole ad was about people want from their government.

[PETRUS]

2. "they?" nt

[dkf]

5. They = OWSers. .

[PETRUS]

7. I'm just teasing you.

I'm guessing you don't identify with the movement?

[dkf]

10. I agree with a lot of the points but the action taken makes no sense to me.

It's frustrating to watch.

[ixion]

14. you're only frustrated because you can't co-opt the movement to work for your team

in my opinion.

[dkf]

16. My team being belief in democracy as the way to nonviolent change?

Yeah maybe so.

[ixion]

19. I'm all for non-violence, and I'm all for a truly representative democracy of the people

but that isn't the system that is in place now. It is exactly the opposite.

[dkf]

23. We the people vote. If we keep on putting suck ups in, where is our responsibility..

You'd think with technology we could disseminate info to constituents on votes that were bought or at least suspicious.

See if OWSers decided they were going to expose the system now that would be freaking awesome! But it is so odd that this is organized and supported by Techies and instead they do such manual and pretty inconsequential stuff. Seriously.

Why don't we make it mandatory for all reps to list all contacts to lobby and post them on the Internet?

Make all fundraising events broadcasted. That would be cool.

There are so many actions that could be undertaken, but instead what do we have? Sit at a park for days on end? I dunno.

[ixion]

25. It needs to start somewhere...

and thus far, it's been effective at growing the movement. Once it gets large enough, it will morph into something you might be more familiar with, but as long as the police brutality continues, as long as the MSM continues to either mock and deride, or pretend not to understand, then it's all about sitting there and getting the initial message out: That corruption and collusion between corporations and the government must cease.

[PETRUS]

15. My brother-in-law feels like you do.

Me, I think it's fantastic and absolutely essential.

[dkf]

17. Even my Dad who is the most loyal union pro little guy around, was asking me what they want.

I shrugged my shoulders.

[PETRUS]

28. Opinions on the details vary considerably

But I think it's fair to say that there is general agreement (among protestors and their supporters) that the political system is not particularly responsive to the will of the people and that the severe concentration of ownership/property/wealth (or whatever you want to call it) is the reason for that - in a chicken and egg sort of way, even. There's a pretty strong case for this viewpoint.

[lbrtbell]

29. You and your dad need to pay closer attention, then

Anonymous has said that OWS is just the beginning. Their hope is that it will grow until it becomes a viable third political party of people who are disgusted with how the two-party system only works for the 1%.

[dkf]

30. Ha now that is something new. A third party huh?

[ixion]

3. and I hope we remain populist and apolitical

once politicians get into the act, it begins to go to hell.

[dkf]

9. But politics are the only way to address things.

Otherwise you are talking about an overthrow of government and I'm not good with that.

[ixion]

13. I'm talking about ending corruption and collusion between

the government and corporations, and if that means the system needs to change, then so be it.

For example: Seeing to the people's business ought not to be a career, nor should it be powerful and/or glamorous. It should be something more akin to jury duty: a civil service that needs to be done.

That doesn't necessarily require the melodramatic 'overthrow' of which you speak, but it does require a significant change to the system. Anything less would be to merely further entrench an already corrupt paradigm.

‎"In order to change an existing paradigm, you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete."

- R. Buckminster Fuller

[dkf]

18. So take away pensions. It shouldn't be a long term job anyway.

[ixion]

21. The pensions, the perks, the royal offices...

all the glamor and power should be removed. It shouldn't be something people enjoy doing. It should be, simply, something that needs to be done.

[dkf]

24. Yup. Agree totally.

[Lionessa]

22. I think perhaps you mean non-partisan. Because without politicians

creating some stimulus, good stimulus and having the top 1-5% and corporations pay for that stimulus (hopefully infrastructure improvement), there's no recovery that I can see. It has to come from the government and it has to be on the backs of the rich through reduced loopholes, repeal of Bush Tax cuts. I'd personally also like to see Def spending reduced, but that's not a wallstreet issue, and right now the wallstreet/bankster focus is the unifying and sensible route, imo.

[ixion]

26. politicians are scoundrels and by-and-large untrustworthy

and they need to go away. Dealing with the the People's business shouldn't be a career. It should be unglamorous and lack the power that is rampant in our current system.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

4. how do you get to those changes that people want

without politicians being involved?

[tama]

6. "I want a true democracy"

to me that means that there is no separate class of politicians, or that every citizen is a politician.

[Desertrose]

11. +1000!!

[LWolf]

27. You vote out every damned politician who isn't

occupying his or her office on our behalf.

[AnnieBW]

8. A Black Guy vs. A Mormon?

Maybe the white Republican southerners just won't vote?

[blogslut]

12. Thank you

That is lovely.

[otohara]

20. Run For Your Life Eric Cantor

these reasonable, intelligent mob-American's are out to destroy America.

Fear them -