Los Angeles Unified School District teacher fired for speaking out against Jews at Occupy L.A.

[cherokeeprogressive]

Heard this on the local L.A. news just a few minutes ago. I guess this goes to show that while everyone has the right to speak their mind, free speech does have consequences. Not too smart for her to give her full name and add her employer's name as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxFa1c&feature=player_embedded

[elleng]

1. Not too smart on several counts.

[bluestateguy]

2. What a (word deleted) fucking idiot

No sympathy for her at all.

Give her job to an unemployed teacher.

[Change has come]

5. what does her size have to do with this situation?

Really, I'd love to know.

[bluestateguy]

6. Nothing at all. But I am not terribly interested in being fair to people who are anti-Semitic

So I regret it if you were offended. That was not the intention.

[tblue]

3. oh no she di'n't!

what an IDIOT!!!!

[dkf]

4. It's always a fine line to gin up anger at bankers.

It's not like there is no history.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. And she continues....

I don't why Bernie Madoff is in prison having fun. Is he still alive? Bernie is also a Jew, and he ran the biggest Ponsi scheme in all of history.

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money, or the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from any actual profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation.
PatriciaMcAll 1 minute ago


@drinfothv
Under Hitler, if these Zionist Jewish Bankers had swindled the Germans out of millions of homes, the Germans would have destroyed the entire Jewish population. Why did America not do the same? It is not too late to do that. These Zionist Jews should release their ownership of the Federal Reserve Bank, and they should be run out of America. I stick by what I said in this video! Also, we need to vote these weak, no backbone, corrupt politicians, out of office...and NOW.
PatriciaMcAll 3 minutes ago


We must start teaching our children the Jewish history. You can get it all on the web, because the Jews don't allow their history to be printed in school books. Your children need to know about Jews. This is not to be done to stem hatred, it is to be done for protection. Just like you tell your children not to get in a car with a stranger, you must protect them from this predator. Look at all the homes they stole from Americans. They just put them out on the streets.
PatriciaMcAll 12 minutes ago



Go to the library, or go online to read the book, or buy the book online. "The Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" Vol 1 and 2

The Jewish Rabbi scholars documented everything during slavery. They documented what they owned, there positions, their affiliation with starting new banks. Jewish people like to "brag" about their accomplishments. It does not matter if the accomplishment was made through thievery or deceit. To the Jew, money made is money made. Does not matter HOW you made it.
PatriciaMcAll 13 minutes ago



According to Jewish Historians, the following are a FEW of the Jewish Bankers during slavery.

Lehman Brothers, Alabama, investment bankers, slaveowners, cotton traders/factors.

J.L. Solomon, Arkansas, Banker, Security Bank and Trust Co.

Jacob D. Goldman, Arkansas, Bank President. 3 banks merged with cotton magnate Goldman as president

Ezekiel Solomon, New Orleans, Banker, slaveowner, United States Bank official.

Morris H. Rothchild, Woodville, Mississippi (known as "Little Jerusalem") V.P.

PatriciaMcAll 18 minutes ago

@blackhorseofprophecy
You should read "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews". When the Jews came to America during slavery, they went to the south. Jews owned and controlled the needle trades. They made the clothes. They also started banks in the south, and they loaned money to the slaveowners. The Jews starting making so much money, that the whites were beginning to be suspect, but the Jews decided to act more racist against the Blacks than the whites. This pleased the whites.

@iilanaii


Yes, you are right. Maybe 15-20 Jews. They wanted to make money. Jews pretend to be the friends of Blacks in order to use our talents, and to make money off of us. That is it. Black slaves, and Black freed slaves have been a meal ticket for Jews since slavery. When Blacks left the south after slavery, Jews followed them up to the northern states, and continued to "suck the blood of the poor". That is how the got rich..through slavery, and being the merchants in the Black community.

PatriciaMcAll 27 minutes ago



Over the years I have observed the Jews, and I have noticed how low-down they can be. The swindling of American's homes was the last straw for me. I am willing to lay my life down to educate the American people about who the Jewish people are. It is because of this lack of knowledge, that Americans have become vulnerable to the evil and underhanded tactics of the Jews. The Jew knows that when we educate the people, their stealing and lying will be over.

PatriciaMcAll 34 minutes ago



This big battle that I am taking on with the Jews did not start last week. Since I was a child, I use to hear that Hitler killed all those Jews. I use to always ask my parents and other adults why???

No one ever gave me a good answer. Not until recently did I get all the facts. I was raised in Chicago. In our community, and Jews were our merchants. They owned all the stores, they were our doctors, lawyers, etc. This was before the Arabs. So I have some history with them.

PatriciaMcAll 39 minutes ago

@Alphaman7100


That is true.Jews have been conclusively linked to the greatest criminal endeavor ever undertaken against an entire race of people, the Black African Holocaust. Jews participated in the forcible exportation of millions of Africans into the life of bondage for the wealth of Jews. Within the recesses of the Jewish historical record is evidence that the most prominent of the Jewish fathers used kidnapped Africans more than any other ethnic or religious group in New World history.

PatriciaMcAll 32 minutes ago



The Federal Reserve Bank is a PRIVATELY owned bank that is owned by Zionist Jews.  Did you know that these Zionist Jews print our money? They determine how much your mortgage will be. They determine how much you will pay for a car. They determine how high and how low the stock market will go. What people need to know is that these Jews have taken over America, and many countries around the world! We want them out of the U.S.! Congress has no power over the Federal Reserve Bank.


PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago


109 Nations where Jews were Expelled since 250AD (Part 5 of 5) 1843/1880s Russian Border Austria & Prussia, 1862 Areas in the U.S. under General Grant, 1866 Galatz, Romania, 1891 Moscow, 1919 Bavaria (foreign born Jews), 1938-45 Nazi Controlled Areas, 1948 Arab Countries 2011/2012 Zionist Jews will start to be expelled (put out), of the United States. Why? cartels; home mortgage fraud; charging excessive, high, and illegal interest rates on loans, deceitful dealings in business, etc.

PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago



109 countries have expelled Jews since 250AD 250AD (Part 4)

1648 Poland, 1649 Hamburg, 1654/1740 Little Russia (Beylorus,) 1656 Lithuania, 1669 Oran (North Africa), 1669 /1670 Vienna, 1712 Sandomir, 1727 Russia, 1738 Wurtemburg, 1744 Prague, Bohemia, 1744 Slovakia, 1744 Livonia, 1745 Moravia, 1753 Kovad (Lithuania), 1761 Bordeaux, 1772 Deported to the(Poland/Russia), 1775 Warsaw, 1789 Alsace, 1804 Villages in Russia, 1808 Villages & Countrysides (Russia), 1815 Lbeck & Bremen, 1820 Bremen


PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago


109 countries have expelled Jews since 250AD (Part 3) 1496 Naples, 1496 Portugal, 1498 Nuremberg, 1498 Navarre, 1510 Brandenberg, 1510 Prussia, 1514 Strasbourg, 1515 Genoa, 1519 Regensburg, 1533/1541 Naples, 1542/1557/1561 Prague & Bohemia, 1550 Genoa, 1551 Bavaria, 1555 Pesaro, 1559 Austria, 1567 Wurzburg, 1569 Papal States, 1571 Brandenburg, 1582 Netherlands, 1582 Hungary, 1593 Brandenburg, Austria; 1597 Cremona, Pavia & Lodi, 1614 Frankfort, 1615 Worms, 1619 Kiev, 1648 Ukraine

PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago


109 countries have expelled Jews since 250AD (Part 1) 250 Carthage; 415 Alexandria; 554 Diocèse of Clermont (France); 561 Diocèse of Uzès (France); 612 Visigoth Spain; 642 Visigoth Empire; 855 Italy; 876 Sens; 1012 Mainz; 1182 France & Germany; 1276 Upper Bavaria; 1290 England; 1306/1322/1394 France; 1348 Switzerland; 1349/1394 Hielbronn (Germany); 1349 Saxony; 1349/1360 Hungary; 1370 Belgium; 1380 Slovakia; 1388 Strasbourg

PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago



We must start teaching our children the Jewish history. You can get it all on the web, because the Jews don't allow their history to be printed in school books. Your children need to know about Jews. This is not to be done to stem hatred, it is to be done for protection. Just like you tell your children not to get in a car with a stranger, you must protect them from this predator. Look at all the homes they stole from Americans. They just put them out on the streets.


PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago



Under Hitler, if these Zionist Jewish Bankers had swindled the Germans out of millions of homes, the Germans would have destroyed the entire Jewish population. Why did America not do the same? It is not too late to do that. These Zionist Jews should release their ownership of the Federal Reserve Bank, and they should be run out of America. I stick by what I said in this video! Also, we need to vote these weak, no backbone, corrupt politicians, out of office...and NOW.


PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago



By publishing the bad traits about Jews, I am hoping that they will take a look at themselves and change their evil ways, before God comes down and destroy them. Hitler was just a sample of what will happen to the Jews if they don't change.



PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago



In 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant banned Jews in certain areas of the U.S. Jews became the focus of the suspicions of Americans because they were profiting from the war. Jewish merchants were trading between the warring factions in violation of the laws. The Union tried to cripple the Confederate economy. Northern Jew merchants were trading Southern goods, in exchange for gold. Confederates used the gold to buy weapons/ammunition/food/etc. which fueled their economy and prolonged the war.

PatriciaMcAll 53 minutes ago



I want to thank all of my supporters on this site.  May God continue to bless all of you and your families. You, like myself, see evil, and we are calling it what it is. Satan and his demons are screaming, but let them scream. I was taught that when you see evil, and you don't say anything, that this is a form of approval. I want God to know that I see and saw evil, and I am speaking up for righteousness. Good always triumphs over evil, eventually.

by: Patricia McAllister

PatriciaMcAll 1 hour ago



This is Patricia McAllister of this video. I was called into the Los Angeles Unified School District today, and they told me that I was fired! It took about 45 seconds. The school district has no right to dismiss me based on my own personal views, given on my own time, outside of the classroom.. My 1st amendment rights have been violated. You cannot fire someone for telling the truth! I will see them in court.


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



This is Patricia McAllister. Now that I have been fired by LAUSD, I can talk. Not only are these Zionist Jews worshipping demons, they have infiltrated our public schools with demons. I have witnessed students worshipping satan in the classroom, and yelling "f" God.  They talk about witnessing babies being sacrificed. People, we have to stand up. Silence is a form of approval. These Zionist Jews have taken just about everything from us...what do you have to lose?


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



The Obama White House is asking Congress to approve $205 million to help Israel build a new short range rocket defense system, the "Iron Dome", It "addresses Israelis' worries about errant rockets being fired into their homes" and is designed to intercept incoming rockets fired from Lebanon and Gaza. The $205 million would be in addition to the $3 billion the United States spends each year to promote Israel's defense. What have these Zionist Jews done for America? Nothing.



PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



Nearly all past loans to Israel have been forgiven, leading Israel to claim that they have never defaulted on repayment of a US loan – with most loans made on the understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. In 1997 alone, the total of US grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion. Since 1992, the US has given Israel an additional $2 billion in loan guarantees every year. These Zionist Jew bankers "took" American's homes. No forgiveness there!


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



Jews want us to sympathize with their suffering under the hands of Hitler, but the Jews don't want to talk about the Jewish banker's relationship with Hitler. The Jewish bankers funded both sides during the war. Jewish bankers were living in lavish hotels in Germany, while Hitler was killing the Jewish people. Yes, do your research. Most Jews know that it is true, but they don't want us to judge them. Most Jews have no principles when it comes to money. Let's be honest here, okay.


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



ORGAN TRAFFICKING IS NOW a multi million dollar business. Couple this with the Zionists having an obsession for self preservation and the Jewish Talmud’s view of Arabs being sub human, Israel emerges as a leading trafficer in the organ transplant business. University of Tel Aviv’s Israel Institute for Forensic Medicine, operating under the cover of DNA profiling of “criminals,”. Here is what the Talmud says about all non Jews: “Murdering a Goy is like killing a wild animal.” Sanhedrin 59a.


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago


Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders." – The Honorable Louis McFadden. In a move in March 2008, the New York Fed advanced the funds for JPMorgan Chase Bank to buy investment bank Bear Stearns for pennies on the dollar.


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



AMERICA IS NOW A JEW RUN NATION. List of the prominent Jews who run America: (Part 2)

Michael Chertoff (Jew): Secretary of US Homeland Security. Citizen of both Israel & America.

Howard Kohr (Jew): Exec Dir of the most powerful lobby group in the world, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). AIPAC is made up of Jews who want Jewish control of the world.

Abe Foxman (Jew): Exec Dir of the 3rd most powerful lobby group in the world, B’nai Brith’s Anti Defamation League (ADL).


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



To learn more about Zionist Jews, google the following:

"REAL ZIONIST NEWS!", Brother Nathanael Kapner.

Brother Kapner was born a Jew, and he knows all about Jews. 


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



AMERICA IS NOW A JEW RUN NATION. List of the prominent Jews who run America: (Part 1)

Ben Bernanke (Jew): Chairman of the private Jew owned Federal Reserve Bank.

Lloyd Blankfein (Jew): CEO of Goldman Sachs Bank of NY. Goldman Sachs is one of the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank consortium, made up of 8 banks, the House of Rothschild being the principal owner.

Harvey Krueger(Jew): Chairman of Lehman Brothers Bank of NY. Lehman Brothers is one of the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank.


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



Wall Street Jews run not only the White House and Congress, but decide where American tax payers’ money should go: to themselves through bail outs or to their overseas investments that support former American factories now located in China and India. JEWS DOMINATE OUR LIVES through their control of wealth. The basic principal of Jewish dominance as stated in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is, “Permit us to issue and control the money of a nation and we care not who makes its laws.”


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



Mortgage Fraud:

I think that had Americans known the history of the (Jewist Zionist Bankers on Wall Street), many of them would NOT have lost their homes. I know the history of the Jews, and that is why it did not happen to me.

Trickery; phony; wishing evil on people; feeling pain at others' happiness and feeling happiness at others' great suffering; rudeness, crude, unrefined; mercilessness and heartlessness; breaking promises; lack of courage; greedy and stingy.


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago





Bad traits of Zionist Jews are: lying; listening to lies; disputing and quarreling; hiding the truth and supporting trickery; the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; wishing evil on people; feeling pain at others' happiness and feeling happiness at others' great suffering; rudeness, crude, unrefined; murder of innocents; mercilessness and heartlessness; breaking promises; lack of courage; greedy and stingy. Jews were put out of 109 countries!


PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago


@cba0bsa


What Hitler did to the Jews is nothing compared to what America may do to these Zionist Jewish Wall Street and Federal Reserve bankers. These Zionist Jews should let go of the Federal Reserve Bank, and give that control over to Congress. Based on the constitution, Congress should be printing our money, not those Jews.

PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



Please don't allow the losing of my job put fear in your hearts of these Zionist Jews. Keep your heart pure, and believe that God will take care of you and your family no matter what happens. I am not afraid of these Jews. They violated my 1st amendment rights, and I will see them in court.

PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago 2



Bad traits of Zionist Jews are: lying; listening to lies; disputing and quarreling; hiding the truth and supporting trickery; the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; wishing evil on people; feeling pain at others' happiness and feeling happiness at others' great suffering; rudeness, crude, unrefined; murder of innocents; mercilessness and heartlessness; breaking promises; lack of courage; greedy and stingy. Jews were put out of 109 countries
PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



This is Patricia McAllister...for real. I was called into the Los Angeles Unified School District today, and they told me that I was fired! It took about 45 seconds. I did an interview with Fox news about two hours ago. You may be able to find it on the web. Also did an interview with KTLA. I am not going to back down. The school district has no right to dismiss me based on my own personal views, given on my own time, outside of the classroom.. My 1st amendment rights have been violated.
PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



This is Patricia McAllister...for real. I was called into the Los Angeles Unified School District today, and they told me that I was fired! It took about 45 seconds. I did an interview with Fox news about two hours ago. You may be able to find it on the web. Also did an interview with KTLA. I am not going to back down. The school district has no right to dismiss me based on my own personal views, given on my own time, outside of the classroom.. My 1st amendment rights have been violated.
PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



The Israeli's population comprises just .001% of the world’s population. Since 1949 the US has given Israel a total of $84,854,827,200. The interest costs born by US taxpayers on behalf of Israel are $49,937,000,000 – making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $134,791,507,200 (more than $134 billion). Since 1992, the US has offered Israel an extra $2 billion in loan guarantees a year. Zionist Jews are destroying us. 
PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



@Achilles1389
You are so right. In the history books in schools, there is nothing about the Jewish involvement in slavery. Jews have been conclusively linked to the greatest criminal endeavor ever undertaken against an entire race of people, the Black African Holocaust. They were participants in the forcible exportation of millions of Black African citizens into the life of bondage for the financial benefit of Jews, more than any other ethnic or religious group in New World history.
PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



Columbus, the Jew:

A few scholars, including Roth, present strong evidence that Columbus was himself a Jew. He hid his Jewishness, they say, because "no Spanish Jew could ever have expected aid from the king and queen of Spain, so the explorer claimed to be an Italian Catholic." Tina Levitan, author of Jews in Amencan Life, found the first reference to Columbus' Jewishness in print in a diplomatic document dated fifty eight years after the discoverer's death.
PatriciaMcAll 2 hours ago



The power that I have behind me is more powerful than all the money that these Zionist Jews have, and will ever have. The Jews have taken this country,and the world down into the gutter. Just look around you. There is suffering, people living on the street, mass layoffs. When those Jew bankers stole the homes of millions of Americans, I knew that something must be done, and done now. I have no fear. You cannot have fear when you are dealing with what I am deal with.
PatriciaMcAll 3 hours ago


Thus ends her comments on page 1 of 7!

[classysassy]

8. You and I disagree on somethings

but this time I am with you all the way the lady is an anti-semite.Thinks for the information you gave us.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. What did you find anti-Semitic?

[Mimosa]

13. Where was all that posted? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

14. It's the comment section of youtube.

[Mimosa]

16. Thanks.

The woman's in a hole and digging like crazy. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. The former, when i think of the state of the world. :(

[Starry Messenger]

47. Yikes!

There's no way she was keeping that out of the classroom. Ugly.

[geardaddy]

93. Wow. n/t

[ellisonz]

9. This lady is sick in the head.

[Posteritatis]

10. Given what she's been saying? Good. (nt)

[Mimosa]

12. I think Ms McAllister's views are wrong, nutty and disgusting.

But should she be fired if she never utters any of these disgusting views in a classroom?

I know teachers are supposed to be bastions of integrity. It's stupid of her to publicly disseminate her hate and ignorance. But should she have instantly lost her job because of her personal views?

What if this teacher had said the Pope was a Nazi, as Susan Sarandon recently said? I would be disgusted. If Ms. McAllister conducted herself properly in the classroom and never expressed her bigoted ignorance there, should she be fired for her personal views?

I'm not advocating any action regarding this. I don't know what the School District's rules are regarding teachers expressing bigoted opinions. I assume they did the proper thing.

But 'what if' McAllister -on her 'own time'- had said the Pope was a pedophile Nazi? Would she have been fired? Should she be?

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Funny.

I was just wondering the same thing. I am not sure what the rules are her district.

"But 'what if' McAllister -on her 'own time'- had said the Pope was a pedophile Nazi? Would she have been fired? Should she be?"

Not really the same thing, though controversial and perhaps bigoted, but she included in her statement, "they should be run out of the country". Should she be fired for saying Mexicans should be run out of the country?

[Mimosa]

17. Probably.

I don't know what grade ms Mcallister teaches or what subjects. Given her extremism it would be hard to believe she doesn't let the poison leak out in the classroom.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. It is really tricky.

Like you, I find what she said disgusting, but was it justifiable to fire her? Granted, if I had children and I knew they were in her school, I would yank them so fast their little heads would spin.

"Given her extremism it would be hard to believe she doesn't let the poison leak out in the classroom." Bingo! I feel the same.

[leftynyc]

31. If she's too stupid

to keep her thoughts off you tube, she's certainly too stupid to teach.

[MedicalAdmin]

97. But I am inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt until proven otherewise.

However, given the comments, were I in a supervisor position I would keep my eyes and ears open and let her have enough rope to hang herself.

I want to be clear. This is a union position and I stand with union members unless and until they cross the line ON THE JOB. If she crosses the line, then this support is not longer applicable.

[proud2BlibKansan]

89. There is a morals clause in a teacher's contract

Extreme bigotry such as this would violate that clause.

[MedicalAdmin]

98. Not in Minnesota there isn't.

I guess you live in Kansas, huh? I trust what you say because, well, or the veracity of your previous posts in this area, but...

To clarify, there is, but it involves verifiable criminal activity, which this isn't.

[proud2BlibKansan]

145. Almost all districts have some type of morals clause.

And the truth is if they want to fire you, they will, regardless of what's in your contract.

[MedicalAdmin]

150. Now that is the truth.

No one is fire proof, myths about tenure aside. The truth about tenured teachers is that the only reason that there is ever to occasional fire the odd one who really shouldn't be teaching is that the administration was too lazy to fill out the paperwork to make it happen.

But I do think that by mentioning her job publicly during her screed rather than just her name put her over the line. I also believe that teachers should be able to exercise their 1st amendment rights off the clock. The exception to that would be the standard yelling fire in a crowded building ...:o

[ProgressiveProfessor]

20. What about the teacher who expressed anti gay hate on Facebook recently?

[AngryAmish]

24. look at my post below

[AngryAmish]

23. Many years ago I wrote part of a book about this

I was a grad student and my professor was writing a book on off-duty misconduct. If this woman was a nameless drone at a state power plant she has more rights than if she is a teacher or even law enforcement officer. (And each state has it own laws on this subject and I am completely unfamiliar with California law - I might have known it back then but I am no longer in the labor law business).

Teachers are role models. The test is articulated differently in different jurisdictions but comes down to whether or not she could function as a teacher or do her personal views - aired publicly - preclude her from being held in the esteem a teacher needs to be held in.

Question: what if you were a Jewish kid in her class? Do you think you would get a fair shake? I think not.

If she is not a teacher but a janitor, then the answer may be different.

Am I explaining this clearly enough, because I'm not sure I am.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

27. I am of mixed feelings about that...

The role model/esteem standard is a very slippery one since it it so subjective. While it is a good standard in academic discussion, it has many problems in the real world. A better standard (and harder to prove) would be impact in the classroom and if there is demonstrable impact, isn't it too late for some students.

It is a hard question...

[AngryAmish]

29. It is the standard in every teacher discipline case

Does a teacher DUI prevent them from doing their job? Depends. If the district wants to fire them then the teacher can arbitrate.

What if the teacher posed for Playboy and did not disclose it before she was hired? Porn star? KKK member?

The test is subjective but that is why there are arbitrators.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

37. Depends heavily on the district, which is indeed subjective

and also effectively involves community standards. What is unacceptable in the bible belt may be fine in Los Angeles kind of thing. Not sure that is a particularly equitable standard.

Like I said, mixed feelings.

[Hepburn]

43. Totally agree...

...I cannot stand what she said, but it sure is her right to make a bigot and an ass of herself OUTSIDE OF THE CLASSROOM.

[newfie11]

18. GOOD!!! n/t

[LynneSin]

21. I would have to say that is my biggest complain with these OWS groups

Mind you - lik 98% of what these people are doing is amazing

But there are the time it's a *facepalm* because they'll give anyone a chance to speak even if that person isn't really someone who fits the bill of what OWS represents. This woman is a perfect example. I'm also not keen on the Ron Paul supporters trying to insert themselves into the movement.

But if I can agree with someone 98% of the time they have my support - that's for sure.

[MH1]

25. OT - but do you know the RON PAUL campaign has co-opted the best corner of OccupyPhilly?

makes me sick.

Also concerns me that the tent stays there day after day.

I say 'best corner' because it is on the North Broad street corner where scads of people walking to/from City Hall/Suburban station on their way to their jobs pass by every weekday.

[LynneSin]

49. Well then remind me to not go to the Philly OWS

I will not support any OWS group that allows Ron Paul supports to have free reign. It's one thing if the supports happen to show up to major protest events but if the Ron Paul folks are hanging out there day-in and day-out then I want nothing to do with it.

Example:

I was in NYC a few weeks back on a Sunday and I saw the tail end of an afternoon protest and sure enough the Ron Paul folks were there. But I wasn't able to get over to the park by Wall Street until later that night and there was absolutely no political signs anywhere. Because of that I donated $50 to help with food costs.

Sure Ron Paul and I agree on a few things, but remove those few key issues you have a guy who would want to dismantle just about every government program out there that would create a world where it's every man, woman and child for themselves. Anyone wanting to create a government based on a fictional book written by Ayn Rand is not someone I want representing my country in its highest office.

[MH1]

52. I made an OP about this

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2145622

I am looking for suggestions. I walk by it every week day normally (although won't for the next week). It makes me want to puke.

Anyway thanks for letting me know I'm not alone. I hope OWS Philly figures out how to give these guys the heave-ho, or at least get them off the corner where they look like they own the place.

[LynneSin]

54. I think the easiest way to make a point is to not donate to their cause

I mean first, there are plenty of other OWS groups you can support that haven't crawled into bed with the Ron Paul supporters. So I'm definately not saying 'Don't Support OWS'.

Personally I think the safest thing that any OWS group can do is to NOT promote any presidential candidate. That includes Ron Paul and Barack OBama. This isn't about a candidate it's about an issue. If word gets out that donations will dry up if they allow Ron Paul to be promoted at their event - the powers to be will give them the heave-ho. (or at least ask them to not hold their signs anymore within the OWS group area).

[ProgressiveProfessor]

Given the unstructured nature of the protest, how do you stop Paulies and the like?

When you intentionally depart from structure etc, Paulies, Black Blocs, and other flakes come with the territory

[MedicalAdmin]

99. So take it back. Occupy Paul Corner! n/t

[Codeine]

22. People who express views like this at OWS gatherings

should have the crap beaten out of them by the other protesters. At the very least vociferous and relentless shoutdowns of this shit are essential to make it impossible for the media to conflate the larger protests with such poisonous hate.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

26. Violence should be directed at those you disagree with?

One of the problems of events as non-structured as these is the lack of a central voice let alone any semblance of discipline.

[redgiant]

59. You're advocating the crime of battery against a person

...expressing a viewpoint you find distasteful. How very liberal of you. How is that any different than a tea bagger advocating beating up someone expressing the exact same views at a tea party rally because they don't want those views conflated with their movement? Hint: It's not any different. Shame on you.

[redgiant]

60. Sorry--Sorry! This was for Codeine, not PP.

[Codeine]

67. You're right.

Others showed me the obvious error of my ways.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2145333&mesg_id=2145748

[MadHound]

30. So I guess you don't believe in the First Amendment eh?

Beat the crap out of those who speak things you disagree with. Hmm, RW radicals have expressed the same sentiment as well.

[Codeine]

33. OWS protesters are not the government. nt

[MadHound]

35. No, but they have the same responsibility to respect the First Amendment as the rest of us

Or do you also think it is OK for RW thugs to beat the shit out of anti-war protesters as well?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

36. And should use violence?

[LanternWaste]

72. Hence your rationalization of using violence against them...?

Hence your rationalization of using violence against them...?

[NoGOPZone]

90. Of course not. If they were the government (police), they might get away with assaulting people. nt

[AverageJoe90]

120. Not a fan of the violence(although I can't blame ya), but...............

Shoutdowns are perfect. Get up in their faces if you have to!

[MadHound]

28. And once again we see teachers effectively denied their 1st Amendment rights

Don't agree with what this teacher said, however I do believe that she has the right to say it, without repercussions from her employer.

[leftynyc]

32. I've read the first amendment

Where does it guarantee you a job after saying stupid shit? If she had said some incredibly racist stuff about the President and it was posted all over youtube, would you feel the same way?

[MadHound]

34. Yes, I would

Question, did you support firing the teacher who got fired for speaking out at an anti-war protest? Did you support firing the teacher who was fired because of a Facebook picture that showed her holding a drink?

Would you support firing somebody from any other job for making anti-Semitic comments?

[leftynyc]

105. You're misunderstanding me

You claimed this is a constitutional issue. It's not. And for the record, of course I wouldn't support either of those things you mentioned. That doesn't change the fact that teachers are role models and this vile person is not entitled to a job.

[Goblinmonger]

50. You do know that the government hires the teacher's right?

So if they stop someone from having free speech, they are in violation of the 1st Amendment.

[leftynyc]

77. They're not stopping her from

having speech - they're stopping her from teaching children. I seriously cannot believe people here think that parents have no recourse if they find out a wretched person is teaching their children. Let's invite in the klan to teach the kiddies how white means right!!!

[Goblinmonger]

91. There is a difference

between what a teacher says outside of class and what they say inside of class. You want to restrict what someone says outside the classroom. Answer the question:

Would you support a school district that fires a teacher who publicly supports gay rights outside the classroom?

[leftynyc]

92. Nope - I would fight that tooth and nail

Let the antisemites fight for this loser who was stupid enough to put her ugliness on youtube.

[Goblinmonger]

95. At least you admit your double standard.

Free speech is a bitch because you have to defend that which you don't like. I don't like what this woman said and would agree if there is some evidence she brought this into the classroom. But outside the classroom she has freedom of speech even if I don't like what she is saying. Once we let them fire her for it, the gay rights defender is next and there will be little leg to stand on and "but I LIKE this speech" won't be enough.

[leftynyc]

104. I just don't feel it's a first amendment issue

Remember when those nazis wanted to march in a Jewish neighborhood in IL? I felt they had every right to do that. This vile person in no way is owed a job.

[Goblinmonger]

106. But I have seen no evidence that the speech in question

was at the work place. Why can the government (the employer in this case) silence the speech of a teacher for something not said at work. Had this been in the class...no problems. Why does an employer get to stretch their ability to quash 1st amendment rights extend to someone's entire life.

[leftynyc]

128. I guess I think that teachers

are (and should) be held to a different standard. Do I care if the local traffic cop is a bigot? Well, yes, but what he/she does on their off time is not my concern. Do I care that a bigot is helping shape a young person's mind? Yes, definitely.

[Goblinmonger]

149. And republicans will care that

I am a teacher and a progressive atheist. Should they have the right to fire me if it doesn't impact my teaching and/or relationship with students?

[Pacifist Patriot]

38. Definitely a sticky wicket

I do not support firing her for speaking her mind.

On the other hand, I question her judgment and worry about her having the maturity and integrity necessary to teach a room of diverse students based on her decision to publicly air what she must have known would be controversial statements.

But as you say...it's probably because I disagree with her message.

Conflicted on this one and I readily admit it.

[WinkyDink]

40. Then you are incompletely informed of the "rights" of public-school teachers.

[MadHound]

42. Yes, I guess that a teacher, such as myself, simply doesn't have a clue as to what my rights are.

:eyes:

[msanthrope]

55. You don't sound like you do. If you are a teacher, read the part of your contract called your

'morals clause.'

[MadHound]

56. That varies from district to district,

But it doesn't prohibit a teacher from speaking publicly. I made sure of that before I signed. Your mileage may vary.

[msanthrope]

57. It never prevents you from speaking publicly. It simply doesn't protect you from the consequences

of said action.

If you make certain commentary about protected groups, or vulnerable populations, you are going to get fired. It's not that difficult to figure out....

Acting like a bigoted asshole will, in a just world, prevent you from teaching children.

[MadHound]

58. Like I said, your mileage may vary

Likewise, if you speak out at a LGBT rally, or an anti-war rally, that can get you fired as well.

The left and the right conspire together to keep teachers silent, that is a fact.

Name me another profession that has its First Amendment rights so effectively curtailed.

[msanthrope]

62. Actually, you would have an actionable case for purely political speech.

But when you teach children, and you make remarks regarding protected classes that you may be expected to teach, you run into trouble.

You choose to be a teacher. Which means that the people paying your salary get to say something about your conduct before you get entrusted with their children.

Don't like that tradeoff? Find another profession.

[MadHound]

66. Ah, so the teacher who was fired because of a FB picture of her with a drink in her hand,

Should just suck it up, eh?

Same with the teacher who speaks, not about politics, but about tolerance, at a LGBT rally, she should just suck it up.

Like I said earlier, the right and the left in this country effectively conspire to silence teachers in this country. Congratulations, you are a mirror image of that which you hate.

[msanthrope]

75. Do you have an actual case of a teacher fired for speaking at a LGBT rally, or are you just making

that up? If you have said case, please post it.

As for the teacher who publicly posted pictures of herself drinking, and going to 'Bitch Bingo' well, I hate to bring facts into this, but she resigned. She wasn't fired.

[MadHound]

Here,

“There was a teacher from Columbus who spoke at the rally who was fired from her job,” he said, noting the need to start speaking to voters across the state."
<http://www.gaypeopleschronicle.com/stories09/february/0213092.htm>

There have been several other incidents like this over the years, but I'm not going to look them all up for your edification. If you are so distrusting, go look them up yourself.

Oh, what is the difference between firing and a resignation that is forced upon you?

[msanthrope]

83. Bullshit--you have anything that makes this more than a mere rumor?

Like a name? Name of a public school district? Or just some guy telling an anecdote?

[MadHound]

84. Geez, I come up with a source and that isn't enough for you

Stop it, just stop it. If you are so goddamn anal, go do your own research.

[msanthrope]

85. Source? You come up with a third-hand anecdote about someone, somewhere, getting fired. Maybe.

That's not a source. That's a dude telling a story with no specifics...it's as good as the crap posted on Snopes.

If you were my student, and you put that in an essay as 'proof' of anything other than as an example of a rumor, I'd give you an 'F.'

[MadHound]

86. Whatever,

You are obviously dead set on disbelieving anything I say because it doesn't fit your own narrow little worldview. So why should I go out of my way for you?

I'm done with this conversation except for this. Go use Google, and you will find that teachers have been fired for speaking out at anti-war rallies, LGBT rallies, for the kind of art they made, for being gay, and on and on and on. Nice to you taking the side of those who like to deny others their right to free speech.

Goodbye.

[msanthrope]

88. Sure. Fail to provide anything other than anecdote, then when challenged, leave the sandbox.

Do you think you help the cause of teachers?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

78. "Name me another profession that has its First Amendment rights so effectively curtailed."

ALL OF THEM!

You just can't see it, but as a government employee, you are afforded some extra protections.

You say you are a teacher. Have you even HEARD of the Supreme Court case Pickering versus Board of Education?

You blather on about non-existent "free speech" rights everyone ELSE has regarding their private employer but YOU (if you really are a teacher) are the one with the most protections.


Now, I've cited a Supreme Court case that lays out some ground rules regarding a school teacher's free speech rights concerning criticisms of the "government"....

Do you have ANYTHING to prove your blather that everyone else in the private sector is free to criticize their employer at will without fear of termination.

[WinkyDink]

79. No, you DON'T, if you think you can utter whateverTH you want in public without any job risk!!

E.g., just TRY to stand on a street corner and speak vociferously against your Superintendent and/or your school's policies.

I DARE YOU.

[MadHound]

82. But it's OK with you if I get fired for speaking at an anti-war rally?

It's OK with you if I get fired for speaking about tolerance at a LGBT rally?

Do you hate the First Amendment that much?

[WinkyDink]

135. Wow. You're a teacher? I hope it's not of Logic. I didn't say it was OKAY; I said it was a FACT.

[Donnachaidh]

39. actually, her opening her mouth did the school district a favor, don't you think?

As a parent, I would not want a bigot teaching my kid. :shrug:

Of course, she's now a candidate for a Darwin award....

[MadHound]

41. So, do you also favor firing a teacher who speaks at a LGBT rally preaching tolerance?

Many parents would find that objectionable as well. Thus, we see both sides of the political spectrum joining together to deny teachers their First Amendment right.

[Donnachaidh]

44. ...

:eyes:

As a parent that has had to deal with nutball teachers, I have a RESPONSIBILITY to protect my kid. If someone avows hate, and is STUPID enough to make it known -- they deserve to be shitcanned.

[MadHound]

45. Didn't answer my question

But your reply is, in effect, the same as radical RW parents who don't like teachers who speak out publicly about liberal issues. They don't want their kids exposed to a teacher who espouses support for liberal causes either.

Thus, we see the right and the left working together to effectively deny teachers First Amendment rights.

[Donnachaidh]

48. oh hogwash

YOU are using RW tactics to make political points that it's OKAY to employ hatemongers in a profession that educates children. In another post you claimed to be a teacher -- really? So you stand up for the rights of hatemongers to a paycheck, over the rights of a child not to be brainwashed?

I find that attitude LOATHSOME. I stand by my RIGHT to demand that loathsome manipulatory people should NOT be paid to be EDUCATORS anywhere in this country.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[Goblinmonger]

51. I'll probably be on that list, too.

You still haven't answered the question, so here it is one more time:

Would you support a teacher being fired for supporting gay rights because parents/administrators found it offensive?

[MadHound]

53. No, I am pointing out the real and simple fact that teachers are denied their right to free speech

A teacher speaks out at an anti-war rally, and is fired because some RW parents don't like such speech and force the administration to can her. Same with a teacher who speaks at a rally preaching tolerance for LGBT kids, and again, RW parents get their knickers in a twist and get her fired.

The stark reality is that teachers have their First Amendment rights effectively curtailed in this country. This is taught in every education program in this country, don't speak out on anything remotely controversial because you are risking the wrath of either the left or the right wing in this country, and it will get you fired. What other profession has that onus put on them?

I don't agree with what this teacher said, but I defend her right to say it, no matter how you try to twist my words to fit your view. You, on the other hand, are more than willing to fire a teacher if that teacher's speech doesn't agree with your political viewpoint. Just like a lot of RWer's in this country.

You want to know a little secret, there are a lot of smart RW teachers in this country who believe the same things that this outspoken teacher believes, and worse. But they are smart enough to keep their mouths shut. Digest that one.

And while you're at it, mull over whether or not you truly believe in free speech if you are so eager to fire somebody for speaking their mind.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. This Is Subjective. The World Doesn't Fit Into Neat Little Boxes

I can probably come up with several statements out of which some will get you reprimanded, some will be ignored, and some will get you fired.

[MadHound]

64. So you think it is OK for a teacher to get fired for speaking about tolerance at a LGBT rally?

You think it is OK for a teacher to get fired for speaking at an anti-war rally?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. What If She Would Have Said "Hitler Should Have Finished The Job"

Where would that fit on the continuum I established.

[MadHound]

68. So let me get this straight,

You think teachers should get fired for RW speech.

The radical right thinks teachers should be fired for left wing speech.

Congratulations, both political wings have effectively conspired together to deny teachers their First Amendment rights.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I Think Teachers Should Be Fired For Hate Speech Regardless Of The Target

.

[MadHound]

74. As a person on the left, that is what you think

A person who is on the right thinks that teachers should be fired for speaking out about tolerance at a LGBT rally. Thus, the right and the left come together to silence teachers.

Get the picture yet? Get why teachers are pissed about this? WE ARE EFFECTIVELY DENIED OUT FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, GET IT!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. I Didn't Know Preaching Tolerance Is Tantamount To Saying Zionist Jews Control Wall Street

Some ideas are so bizarre only an intellectual or someone who fancies himself or herself an intellectual can believe them.

[MadHound]

70. I didn't say it was, but nice try at putting words in my mouth

What I am saying is that both statements can and will get your fired if you are a teacher. What I am saying is that this shows how both the right and the left, wittingly or otherwise, conspire together to deny teachers their First Amendment rights.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. I Don't Think A Teacher Would Get Fired For Speaking At A GLBTQ Rally

I don't think a teacher would get fired for speaking at a Tea Party Rally

I do think a teacher would get fired for speaking at a KKK Rally

See where I am going with this...

[MadHound]

76. You would think wrong

I know of teachers who have been fired for speaking at an LGBT rally, for speaking at an anti-war rally, for speaking at any sort of left of center rally. It happens in red states all the time. Hell, I could get fired over what I post on this board if my identity here fell into the wrong hands.

DO YOU GET IT NOW?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. I Would Have To See The Individual Cases To Judge

There is such a thing as common sense.

[MadHound]

81. Oh, so not only would you fire this teacher for hate speech

But also a teacher who speaks for tolerance as well.

You just hate the First Amendment don't you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. If I Said That I Would Be Dumb But I Didn't

A teacher is free to say whatever he or she wants. A teacher can't be imprisoned for his or her speech. But that doesn't mean they are free to say whatever they want and not lose their jobs.

When a teacher starts trafficking in racist, homophobic, anti-semitic stereotypes he or she shouldn't be surprised to find himself or herself out of a job.

I guess common sense isn't common.

on edit- I should have said I want evidence where school teachers have been fired for engaging in the speech you alluded to. In the absence of that I will assume you are making it up. But, congratulations, your obscurantism momentarily confused me.

[MedicalAdmin]

101. Hmmmm. Good point.

But I think both points have value.

No teacher should be fired, when representing themselves as a private citizen, for speaking about anything OFF THE CLOCK. However, where I think this woman crossed the line was by publicly identifying herself as a teacher. For example, I would expect my boss (OK so I am my own boss in part, but the main owner in this case) to shitcan me if I spoke up publicly with similar shit and invoked / involved the clinic in my pronouncement.

It is unprofessional . Now if she had just said her name or been unnamed and went on a rant... that is different. But by invoking the office of her job, she screwed up.

[JVS]

127. There are plenty of parts of the country where they'd fire a teacher for speaking at a GLBTQ rally

[geardaddy]

94. I think you're missing the point here.

She spoke out AGAINST a protected class. The alleged teacher speaking in FAVOR of a protected class isn't promoting hate.

[Goblinmonger]

96. So, if, on my free time

I speak out against creationists as being completely ignorant and an affront to science and all that is learning, can I be fired because I am speaking out against the protected class of religion?

[geardaddy]

100. I would think so.

[Goblinmonger]

103. How nice of you to not give any free speech to teachers.

Why not just cloister us?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

107. Where Would You Draw The Line?

I realize it's subjective but it reminds me of Potter Stewart's definition of obscenity, which as you know isn't protected speech, that "I know it when I see it."

Saying racist, anti-semitic, homophobic shit is a good way to lose your job whether you are Don Imus or the Los Angeles School District.

[Goblinmonger]

108. Imus' employers and LAUSD have different standards.

One if the government and one isn't. One is bound to the first amendment, the other is not.

I think I drew a pretty good line elsewhere on the thread. Is the speech in the classroom? That is a clear problem. Once we start firing teachers for what they say outside the classroom, we open the doors for being fired for supporting gay rights, for being atheist, for campaigning for a candidate, for campaigning to recall a shit head governor.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

109. The First Amendment Only Protects You From Being Imprisoned For Your Speech

It doesn't guarantee a government job.

Respectfully, the slippery slope argument you are making is a logical fallacy. If the woman in question was fired for being an atheist, for being gay, for campaigning for a candidate, et cetera, there would be much more of a consensus on this board against her firing.

In other words just because a teacher was fired for saying "Zionist Jews control Wall Street" which is classic blood libel doesn't mean she would have been fired for saying gays should have the same marriage rights as straights.

[Goblinmonger]

110. What?

I thought the text of the first amendment was "Congress shall make no law." How do you possibly think the first amendment only protects you from prison. It means the government can't stifle your speech. Which they are doing here for things unrelated to job performance (unless I missed where it says she did this in the classroom).

The slippery slope argument isn't. There are standards in place for when you can curtail free speech. There are precedents set when things are taken to court and those instances must meet those standards. What possible standard could be developed that allows you to fire a woman for speech that liberals don't like yet bans it for speech that liberals do like? That's insane.

Oh, and "blood libel"? Perhaps tone down the hyperbole just a notch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

112. Hyperbole

Would you feel better if I said that saying "Zionist Jews control Wall Street" is right out of Der Sturmer.

As to your point it has nothing to do with what liberals like or don't like. She was engaging in hate speech and I suggest she would have lost her job had Jews, African Americans, gays, Mormons, et cetera were the targets.

[Goblinmonger]

115. Der Sturmer is the right amount of hyperbole.

:thumbsup:

Mormons and gays maybe not so much (depends upon the locale).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

123. She Is Also Absolutely Horrible For The Movement

FAUX News is absolutely orgasmic that they found her and the other idiot who harassed the old Jewish guy with the yarmulke. They said "see the OWS movement is anti-semitic".

And then you have the CPUSA or what's left of it and the Paulbots trying to hijack the movement.

[Goblinmonger]

146. Absolutely agree with you. n/t

[geardaddy]

111. Hey, I could get fired for voicing anti-Semitic remarks off the clock.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

113. Hey, I could get fired for making racist, anti-semetic, homophobic, et cetera remarks off the clock

You know what saddens me, really saddens me. That a ostensibly well educated woman could traffic in such ignorant and hateful stereotypes.

[geardaddy]

118. That was my point, too.

I should have put "etc." in my reply.
:hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

125. I Realize This Is A Touchy Subject

But there's certain crap you can't say and keep your job and most of us know it when we see it. Even in conservative rural Central Florida a teacher was suspended for making homophobic remarks on his FACEBOOK page.

[Goblinmonger]

114. Do you work for the government? n/t

[geardaddy]

116. Nope.

But as my employer can't refuse to hire me for being a member of a protected class, I would guess that they could fire me for making negative comments about a protected class.

[Goblinmonger]

119. Then your employer isn't bound to the first amendment

like this woman's employer is.

[geardaddy]

122. Why because my employer is a private entity?

[Goblinmonger]

147. Correct

They do not have to guarantee you freedom of speech and can deny it. The first amendment applies to governmental action.

[AngkorWot]

124. Uh, schools, like private businesses, aren't "bound to the first amendment."

They can fire employees for things like, oh, I don't know, publicly discussing the confidential details of a student.

I'm sure they have a clause in the contract involving basic work place ethics, of which this teacher is clearly in violation.

[JVS]

126. Work place ethics are for the work place.

No union worth its salt allows employers to determine what appropriate behavior outside of the workplace is. They might accept stipulations such as not being permitted to discuss trade secrets, etc. But no union would accept any employer control over political speech for the obvious reason that an antagonistic employer would use it against any workers who participate in maintaining the union.

[AngkorWot]

131. So you're saying they can turn bigotry off like a switch, huh?

Would you feel this way if the teacher were a klan member that burned crosses? Or is there something particular about anti-semitism that you don't mind so much?

[JVS]

133. Nice attempt to put words in my mouth. Read again.

n/t

[AngkorWot]

138. I read it once and that's more than enough.

The person is an anti-semite out of work, they are an anti-semite during work.

[JVS]

142. If she is an anti-semite during work, then it should be easy enough to collect evidence of that...

during working hours.

[AngkorWot]

143. They've got all the evidence they need.

The school has an obligation to protect their students from bigoted teachers.

There's no reason they should have to play dumb.

[Goblinmonger]

151. Do you seriously not understand

that the right can use that weapon to get rid of liberals, too? If this woman is a raging bigot every moment of her life, then her class behavior will show it and they can discipline her for that. Making a person's job dependent on every bit of political speech they say at any time is not within the scope of the first amendment.

Look, I don't like this woman from what I've seen. I don't like her views. But even though she is a teacher, she has the right to political speech outside of the classroom. Should a conservative school board be able to fire me for going to the protests in Madison?

[Goblinmonger]

148. Your example is an example of work place speech

and not speech done away from and distinctly separate from the workplace.

I have never argued we have unlimited rights to free expression. Discussion the student is a violation of FERPA.

I'm not sure that have that clause. And if it does deal with work place ethics, that doesn't apply here because she wasn't at the work place.

[coalition_unwilling]

46. LAUSD adminsitration is completely out of control, so this move

on its part does not surprise me.

FWIW, Occupy Los Angeles and UTLA (the teachers' union) marched en masse on LAUSD headquarters at 333. S. Beaudry yesterday to protest various indignities being visited upon teachers and students in LAUSD. Not sure if this story is connected to that protest, an attempt to discredit common cause between OWS and UTLA, or purely conincident with the march and rally.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. Her Hateful Words Harm The Movement

It's sad that folks harbor such noxious ideas.

[AverageJoe90]

117. Another reason why we need to start separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

Every time somebody does this kind of thing, it gives the right-wingers more ammo.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

130. Who does the vetting, and who vettes the vetters?

An obvious artifact of the non-structured nature of OWS is that it can and will attract all kinds...not all of whom everybody will agree with.

[JuniperLea]

137. And who vets the plants and who vets the plant veters?

I'm afraid there could be paid protesters... paid to do things that would discredit.

This is another good reason why there should be no boiled down talking points, no center causes for this protest.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

144. The lack of structure cuts both ways

If it continues, there will be more flakes attracted to the potential publicity. It is not clear that the assembly process can effectively address that.

[Ex Lurker]

102. She has the crazy eyes. nt

[ProgressiveProfessor]

141. And she is continuing her spewing online...

The crazy runs deep in that one

[JVS]

121. Unless this violates the terms of her contract of employment, she should be left alone.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

129. Apparently it did...have to wonder if the union is going to step in here or already has

[JuniperLea]

132. How do you know she's a teacher?

A lot of non-teachers work for LAUSD.

[maddezmom]

140. she was a substitute teacher for LAUSD according to this link

~snip~


The following Tuesday, she was fired from her post as a substitute teacher. LAUSD superintendent John Deasy released a statement yesterday that emphasized the district's condemnation of McAllister's remarks and announced her dismissal.

In the release, Deasy acknowledged her right as a citizen to air her views but emphasized a teacher's responsibility to serve as a role model for students.:

Her comments, made during non-work time at a recent protest rally, were her private opinions and were not made in the context of District services. At LAUSD, we recognize that the law is very protective of the freedom of speech rights of public employees when they are speaking as private citizens during non-working time.



I further emphasize to our students, who watch us and look to us for guidance, to be role models and to represent the ideals by which LAUSD lives, that we will never stand for behavior that is disrespectful, intolerant or discriminatory.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19/patricia-mcallister-fired_n_1020252.html

[Warren DeMontague]

134. just like the teacher who posted anti-gay slurs on facebook

You have the right to be a bigot in this country.

You DON'T have the right to expect that the school board won't fire your ass for being a bigot.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

136. Has that teacher been fired yet? LAUSD moved out post haste

[Warren DeMontague]

139. That's because the world-controlling Zionist Joooo Conspiracy moves fast.

Don'tcha know? :sarcasm: