Cop disguised as a protester was the loudest person at Citibank.

[Eric J in MN]

http://www.observer.com/2011/10/citibank-protester-talks-about-undercover-infiltration-in-occupy-wall-street/

Marshall Garrett, a Protester: One undercover cop present was louder than the entire group.

Q: How did you know he was an undercover cop?

Marshall Garrett: He arrested one of the protestors outside, and slammed her into the wall, and pushed her back into the bank. We all saw him at the precinct with us. He was laughing with the fellow white shirt cops, telling them about what we’d been saying, basically. It was a bit startling how inside their information was – how they were being paid to go to these protests and put us in situations where we’d be arrested and not be able to leave.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. In the old days, it was said that the average "Commie cell"

consisted of one True Believer and 3 FBI informants.

[Donnachaidh]

2. an old school tactic -- the FBI did the same during the 60's protests

Of course, they didn't look to slam protestors into buildings on their first gigs. :shrug:

[bullwinkle428]

10. Thom Hartmann has talked about this on his show on many occasions,

LONG before OWS got started, so there's a serious history regarding this tactic's use.

[tomg]

19. But we could always who they were

By their shoes and white socks.

[cui bono]

3. This needs to get out there.

[snappyturtle]

4. You're not surprised by this manipulation, are you? Cops are great

at setting up situations to achieve their objectives. I am afraid of the police period.



edit: Take a look see at the second link in the OP. I just find it interesting in light of the OWS treatment, et. al.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2145827

[vssmith]

8. One would think that the cops would understand they are victims too

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. One reply is claiming that OWS is funded/backed by Obama2012

:silly:

[CoffeeCat]

9. This meme is being spread through right-wing channels...

The "Obama backed/funded OWS" meme is being pushed by right wingers who are
attempting to define OWS. Glenn BEck and Limbaugh are pushing it 24/7.

They know that a certain percentage of Republicans HATE Obama, so they're attempting
to position OWS as an Obama-funded project.

They see that the movement is becoming more popular (67 percent approval rating) and
that it is becoming more mainstream. They're using the same divisional tactics
that they use to keep us divided as a nation.

They're even bringing up Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground--old ghosts that
keep the divisions going.

They must divide us, so they (the corporatists, the neocons and the upper 1 percent
who have gamed the system) can win.

Of course, OWS is not Obama-backed. Many OWSers are displeased and disillusioned
with our government in general. The movement is not about being for or against
any one politician. It is about taking back our country.

[formercia]

6. Like, this is a surprise?

We've been harping about this for Years now. Better wise up fast.

[madmusic]

7. K&R

[glowing]

11. Thats not at all surprising. There are probable a number of undercovers

that have been there since Sept 17th. Its normal operating agenda. Shoot, I forget what yr it was now, if it was 04 or 06, we had a Code Pink meeting. This was before the elections... Down here the off yr is a Gov election, so I can't remember. Anyway, we were planning a protest along with banner hangs across certain highway overhangs. Normally, there were just a handful of people that came to meetings. As the elections neared and certain anniversaries were popping up on the radar, we were getting more and more people we had never seen. Then all of a sudden we had someone from CentCom show up. Needless to say, the real agendas didn't get discussed in open forums for quite a while. Only people who had been around forever. They really viewed Code Pink as a viable threat, even in our rag tag group down in FL. It was more than a bit crazy to see with one's own eyes. It actually felt rather neat to feel enough of a threat to send infiltrators into the group. LOL. It obviously sucks that most of these groups are more than open with their plans. Which is odd that they try so desperately to get on the "inside" like we are some nefarious terrorist group plotting bad things.

Obviously with OWS, their biggest problem is finding a "leader" to make into a boogie man. AND that most of all the actions rely on open communications. So much is live streamed, open for GA, face booked, and twittered about the events and what is going on. Honestly, I think many of the kids are just so young and so far away from any movements of the past, they don't really get just how bad our govt can be at times. On the other side of the coin, they feel they have nothing to hide or should hide from the world. The only problem being that those who have infiltrated are there to cause problems and act out to discredit the movement. Its just the risk one takes to create and maintain a movement.

[flamingdem]

17. After the pepper spray incident I think they started learning fast nt

[xchrom]

12. recommend

[Lydia Leftcoast]

13. I saw provocateurs in action in Portland

I attended a planning meeting for protests against Cheney's appearance at a $25,000-a-plate dinner, and most of us were all in Gandhian mode, but there was one frat boy-looking young man (whom no one had ever seen before) there saying that we should express our outrage by smashing windows and burning cars.

In fact, the protest was totally peaceful and kind of light-hearted.

At one of the protests against the Iraq War, streets had been blocked to all traffic, but somehow, four frat-boy looking guys drove through, jumped out, and immediately began urging people to tip over cars.

Fortunately, they tried to do this in the midst of many veterans of the 1960s protests, who just watched as the provocateurs looked like idiots trying to flip cars by themselves.

[cyberpj]

14. And the larger this grows the more there will be. Between cops and right-wingers there will be many

in the crowds to stir up trouble.

[G_j]

15. same old story..

tried and true.. :think:

[2pooped2pop]

16. nothing, nothing that is being planned is going to be secret

from them. Look for the cops as being the loudest, most disruptive, and most likely to break the law since they will not be punished for it. THey are going to be in the camp, and will play as big a role as possible in the camp. They will be on every website, searching for info. They have done this a lot in the past.
It's routine.
I don't know of anyway to make any plans that they will not already be in on from the get go. Is there any way to google nyc cops and get some pics floating around?
I assumed the protesters already knew that they would be infiltrated. I remember a stranger approaching me at an anti-war protest in NYC and asking me what my plans were. What kind of things I had planned and all. I suspected at the time that he was a plant.
Maybe we need to have our own "Watchers" standing back a bit from the main fray and watching who is trying to coral people one way or shouting things like they are in charge, or just the loudest ones attempting to cause trouble. But they are there, and probably quite a few of them. I'm sure there has been plenty of money spent having spy's watch this site as well as other sites to try to find ways to infiltrate us.
Perhaps a secret handshake is in order. lol Maybe find a way to get people to show what is under their shirt coz I think the cops have the police shirt on underneath. Make it a game of tickle. ha.
It's not like we are planning some underworld takeover. Most of the things the protesters are doing are right out there in the open and completely legal. Just don't think that you are keeping secrets from the police because you are not.
And, things are going to get worse. We are a big threat to their Kingdom. They will do and spend whatever it takes to keep us from making them pay taxes, stop shipping jobs out of the country then selling the shit back to us,have massive regulations to keep them from raping the world any longer, and be held accountable for what they have done. They will fight to the death to stop that.(or at least pay ignorant people to do it for them)
It will get worse but we must prevail.

[Firebrand Gary]

18. Standard tactic in protest disruption.

[Roland99]

20. How many cops started problems during teabagger protests, eh?

1? 2? 1000?



ZERO, ZILCH, NAPA, ZIP

[azureblue]

21. the "old way" of handling infiltrators

was to be up front - ask them, in front of other people, if they are cops, and ask to see their ID. And take their picture. Cop agitators hate this, because it renders them useless for other undercover infiltration.

If, in a demonstration, your group has people who are trying to start trouble, you need to stand between them and whatever you are demonstrating against, again, take their picture, and ask them loudly, especially within earshot of other cops, "are you a cop? Prove it now - show us your ID." If they refuse to, then loudly point them out as an cop / outside agitator / infiltrator / trouble maker, and isolate them from the rest of your demonstration. If a beat cop hears this, they will get nervous, wanting to protect / hide one of their own, and they will leap right in. Proof positive.

Most of the time, cops know who the infiltrators are. They used to do things like color code the infiltrators- wear a red hat, for instance, wrist band, etc., the "tag" of the day. Just look for the ones trying to start trouble and see if they have a common unusual color or clothing item.

People need to learn about agitator cops, how to spot them as soon as they show up. One old first line tactic is simple to not tolerate people who show up at prep meetings and advocate violence. Give them one stern warning that not even words of violence will be tolerated, and, if they do it again, ask to see their ID, take their picture, then throw them out.