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Evasporque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:37 AM
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When, in history were the rich not ultimately toppled...?
I'm just sayin'....

If it wasn't outright revolt it was a natural disaster or some plague or war...all in all...for the 1% - you can't take it with you...stop being so damn selfish and greedy.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:42 AM
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1. The Roman rich were toppled but morphed into even worse forms of greed.
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Rene Descartes Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 11:04 AM
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6. Actually, after the Vandals and Goths extinguished the "Roman Light"
the world descended into the Dark Ages.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 12:26 PM
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7. Yep, and coming out of the other end of the Black Hole that was the Dark Ages
is the same old power grabbing garbage that was there before.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 12:59 PM
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10. Not the world, but the western world...the eastern world was going through
an enlightenment at the same time.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:00 PM
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11. Constantinople existed for a thousand years after that
THe world did not fall into the dark ages, just western europe.

The world is large my fiend.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:44 AM
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2. You are right they are ultimately toppled but sometime it can take centuries.
There is no guarantee that it can happen anytime soon.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:48 AM
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3.  About the same time that the rich ultimately regained power.
"When, in history were the rich not ultimately toppled...?"

About the same time that the rich ultimately regained power. It seems cyclical to me in that the wealthy demographic is overthrown, people feel great, and place different members of that very same demographic back into positions of power with some re-branding and good advertising. From the period of the Greek city-states to the here and now.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:52 AM
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4. When did it happen in England for a start?
A few revolutions were attempted but none succeeded, unless you count the Civil War, which merely replaced, temporarily, a system of government and left the upper class per se intact, with some individual replacement of royalist upper classes by protectorate-favoring upper class people.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:59 AM
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5. There are many historical cases where there is little change for over 3 centuries
In most cases there is an external factor such as war, resource exhaustion, overpopulation, climate change, etc., that topples the regime.

When the revolution is from below, about the first institutions reestablished are the military and the police. This fairly rapidly leads to a new political heirarchy, which then goes about seizing assets and reestablishing the economic heirarchy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 12:36 PM
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8. I was toppled once. It wasn't as bad as being turned into a newt.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 12:58 PM
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9. America's 1% do think they are special


For example, I think it's rare in history ( and perhaps non-existent) that a nation would wage war and NOT raise any taxes toward the war effort. That's insanity, but Cheney et al believed they could get fat on those juicy no-bid contracts without having to offer anything back to the American people out of their obscene profits.

They were (and are) like kids who want to get straight A's without doing any homework.

We, the American taxpayer, fed the war machine while they gorged on it. And now that they've bankrupted us, they ask us to starve.

Not gonna happen, it appears, Poor, poor, stupid rich people! When will they ever learn?






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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:03 PM
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12. Many wars of conquest are self-funding
Heck, do you think the Vikings raised taxes before getting on the longships? Golden Horde passed the hat?
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:29 PM
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14. Well, the ones we're fighting sure as hell aren't


And we're talking about modern warfare here. Tanks cost a lot more than spears.

And ancient civilizations did shake down the little guy to wage war. Not taxation as we know it, but still making someone else pay for your conquests through looting and pillaging.

WE've got looters and pillagers, but that booty didn't pay for the wars. The looters and pillagers (Halliburton, for example) didn't fund the war; they took the cash and ran.

The American taxpayer and our miltary pay for our wars.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:30 PM
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15. you said booty
he he
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 12:42 AM
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22. ..



:spank:







:rofl:








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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:04 PM
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13. Now.
I'm just sayin'...
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:32 PM
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16. They don't topple so much as they
Weeble-wobble

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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:33 PM
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17. The French Revolution is the most obvious
Clearly, nobody wants a repeat of that. But it goes to show what the public is capable of when pushed too far.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:34 PM
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18. If they could take it with them, the politicians would give them a tax break for relocation costs.
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 02:07 PM
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20. Perfect! DUZY!
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 01:39 PM
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19. 1930s
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 02:32 PM
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21. 2011...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-11 02:32 PM by lame54
so far
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