Why the Ohio animal tragedy is political.

[edhopper]

This guy was a teabaggers wet dream, he was charged with firearm violations,(I think he did time) his menagerie was known to be a sorry place for the animals, but Ohio did not have the regulations to shut him down.
In the Right wing, libertarian world he should be allowed to own as many unregulated guns as he wants and there shouldn't be any regulations to impede his freedom to have exotic pets.
I don't think that is a position most on the left would agree with. We see the need for laws and regulations for the public good even if it stops some peoples private interests when those interests can lead to harm.
So there in Ohio we see the results once again of conservative governance.

[liberal N proud]

1. Yes it was political - Strickland was about to get a law passed

To restrict these wild animals, The current asshole dropped the effort.

another fine GOP, hands off type of government example.

[peace13]

2. Ohio had a law on the books for exotic animals.

It was recently let to expire by the Ohio Legislature and our new governor who happens to be a tea bagger himself. We don't read much about that though. First House Bill 5 and now this. Ohio is in some real trouble out here.

[femrap]

4. As I understood it,

Gov. Strickland (D) had an Executive Order against these 'Exotic Animal Farms' and King Kasich let it expire saying that this Order would 'restrict' small businesses of 'exotic animals.'

I hope King Kasich is happy now...ALL the blame should be placed at his pathetic feet.

I am ashamed to live in a state where 'leaders' are so fucking stupid. If King Kasich doesn't like Government, maybe he should move himself and his family to Somalia where there is no recognized government?

This criminal who owned the 'farm' was well-known for his cruel behavior against the animals, but NO ONE TOOK RESPONSIBILITY AND SOLVED THE PROBLEM.

WTF do taxpayers pay these 'leaders' for? To sit on their fat asses and make deals w/ Banksters?

King Kasich will pay for his lack of responsibility and his lack of working brain cells.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :puke: :puke: :puke: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :rant:

[mod mom]

5. yes and Kasich allowed the Executive Order to expire:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2145823

[former9thward]

15. How did the Executive order mean anything?

This guy has had his animals for years and has had run ins with the sheriff and neighbors since at least 2005. He just got out of prison (for weapons violations) 3 weeks ago. So it doesn't sound like the EO meant anything since his animals were around for a long time.

[femrap]

22. Because no

one in dumbfuckistan (Ohio) ever DOES ANYTHING ABOUT SOLVING PROBLEMS. No one ever takes responsibility.

[edhopper]

3. The harm that the conservative agenda has done to this country

is the great under reported story of our time.

[indepat]

6. Codification of much of the ruinous RW agenda is the single source of the major part of all

societal ills imo. And Dems figuratively jump through their assholes in droves in fear of being labeled weak or soft on.... :patriot:

[BlancheSplanchnik]

23. you can say that again

this tragedy did not have to happen, but human stupidity and greed, flying under the banner of RW Conservatism, paved the way. :cry: :mad:

[NEOhiodemocrat]

7. Even with Kasich letting Stickland's executive order expire

The newspaper headline today was "Kasich: OHio needs toughter laws on exotic animals" and in the article he stated "..clearly we need toughter laws. He haven't had them in the state. No one has dealt with this."

edit for spelling.

[edhopper]

8. And now they will pass some laws

And Kasich will make out like a take charge Governor. And the truth will be buried and forgoten

[truth2power]

9. I live in Ohio. Not all that far from where this happened. What saddens me,

and I haven't heard anyone address it, is why couldn't they have tranqualized the animals and then taken them to a zoo or another temporary site?

I see from the local news that six of the animals were, in fact, caught and transported to the Columbus Zoo. LE stated that they killed the other 49 animals "in the interest of public safety". I don't see why this was necessary.

[edhopper]

10. Saw Jack Hanna on GMA

They only had four tranq guns which would not get that many. You have to hit the animal in the right spot and then chase it while it tires and falls. In the mean time other animals would have escaped and probably as night fell kill some people. The sherif made a very tough judgement call and by all accounts is very troubled by what he needed to do.

[femrap]

12. He damn well better be

troubled...he had to have had an inkling that this MESS would end in disaster. He stated that he had been called to this exotic 'farm' over 30 times this year alone.

Yet he did nothing to solve the problem. I'm sick of people like that. SICK OF IT. What do we pay these people for???? I pay them to solve problems.

Those Bengal tigers were ENDANGERED SPECIES, damn it. With The Wilds only 26 miles away, those animals should have been moved there.

[hedgehog]

14. Jack Hanna is employed at the Columbus Zoo. This makes him

responsible for a privately held menagerie how?

[edhopper]

16. I think he means the sheriff, not Hanna.

[hedgehog]

18. oops.....

:blush:

[femrap]

21. If you followed the

thread, you would know I was discussing the sherif (sic) in Muskingum County. He was well aware of the Exotic Farm, but didn't do anything. Hence, the deaths of many endangered animals.

Do you understand now?

Do you know that Gov. Strickland had an Executive Order against these 'farms' and King Kasich let that Order expire?

eta: I now see your 'oops.' I live in Ohio and know Hanna and the stupidity of Ohio 'leaders.'

[Glassunion]

24. You said that he was out to the farm 30 times yet did nothing.

What could he have done. Any good law enforcement officer is paid to enforce the law, not solve problems. The sheriff's hands may have been tied by the law.

IMHO the law should have sided with the protection of the animals. However it did not. I blame the state's law makers and the governor, not the sheriff.

The sheriff had to make a tough decision, with what he had at hand at that moment.

[femrap]

25. If someone is convicted of

animal cruelty, they can't have animals. Thompson was convicted.

Obviously you don't realize how 'selective' law enforcement can be. Ever wonder why all the prisons are filled with Black dudes who smoke pot, yet the White ones are still smoking and smiling???

If law enforcement wants you in jail, they will find a way. And if they don't, you won't. No one wanted to deal w/ all of those exotic animals. I live here and I know the bureaucrats.

And don't tell me that the sheriff didn't have a clue as to how this situation was going to end. I live in this hell-hole town of Zanesville, Dumbfuckistan (former state of Ohio).

You ever been here?? If not, you don't have a clue.

And do you think that all law enforcement officers are 'good?' Get real. They're like any other profession...some good and some not so good.

[femrap]

11. Be careful,

dear truth2power....that's what I asked and was attacked harshly by other DUers. Supposedly it is very difficult to 'sedate' the animals. Supposedly a vet tried to 'dart' a tiger and the tiger went crazy so the police shot the tiger.

I live in Zanesville...the last I heard this morning was a Mountain Lion, a Bear and a Monkey were still on the loose. I pray that they can be boxed into a building or something and then taken to a HUMANE PLACE.

The animals that were taken to the zoo were probably smaller animals like monkeys that the 'owner/criminal' had kept in his house, but I'm not sure. And given that I don't believe most of what MSM says, I don't know if I'll get the 'truth.'

But what I do know...this Thompson dude/criminal has bothered the sheriff for YEARS, BUT NO ONE TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOLVING THIS HORRIBLE PROBLEM...THOSE ANIMALS WERE ABUSED.

I'm sick of living in a place where people can't use their brains to solve problems....they just wait for the fucking crisis to hit.

[truth2power]

20. I don't think anyone should be attacked here for asking questions...and

those who get snarky about it are just immature, IMO. What may seem self-evident to me may be totally new information to someone else.

According to the channel 12 website update all the animals have been accounted for except a monkey that is suspected of being infected with heptatitis B.

It angers me tht Kasich let this situation come to pass. But he's nothing but a low-life crook anyway. There are a lot of bone-stupid people in Ohio who apparently couldn't do due diligence on him before casting their ballot. Living in Ohio, I'm sure you're aware. :(

[kestrel91316]

13. This was discussed at length yesterday. I explained why "tranquilizing"

large exotic species is so problematic and DANGEROUS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2147499

[truth2power]

17. Thanks for the reply, kestrel. I didn't see yesterday's thread...

I've been sorta out of touch recently. Lots going on. So thanks for reposting it.

OMG! I had no idea about that M99. Geez! Ya' know, watching all those safari shows over the years, and people tranquilizing animals like it's an everyday thing. I guess that contributes to thinking that it's no big deal. Isn't there anything else that's less dangerous?

Anyway, this is a tragedy. So sad. And what can I say about Gov. Kasich? He's stupid and venal and corrupt. I'm ashamed to say I live in the state that elected him.

[undeterred]

19. Write to Jack: [e-mail]

He shouldn't be defending the governor or donating to him... he should be free to totally support the protection of the animals.