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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:49 PM
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What is the Achilles Heel of the 1%?
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 09:49 PM by begin_within
How do you win at their game, so that they lose instead of us?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:49 PM
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1. Democracy?
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:51 PM
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2. Is that their game, though?
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 09:51 PM by begin_within
I thought their game was about as undemocratic as you can get, and is based on money and "ownership."
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:52 PM
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3. Bankruptcy broiught about through democratic planning and action by the 99%. nt
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 09:53 PM by Zorra
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:52 PM
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4. Boycott consumerism, quit buying their shit, educate others. 9nt0
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:55 PM
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5. Their numbers?
There aren't all that many people who are insanely wealthy.
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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:55 PM
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6. Non cooperation, to start.
Then you rewrite the rules of business to prevent concentration of wealth and power - aiming for a system in which there are no losers.
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:55 PM
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7. Pass a WEALTH TAX as a new constitutional amendment.
The Income Tax amendment is implemented with the phony exclusions for capital gains and interest-carry.

-- Start at $10,000,000 with a 0.1% levy.

-- Graduate the rate on the way up.

-- Go to 2% on everything over $1,000,000,000.

Income tax took 30 years. We need to start ASAP !
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:55 PM
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8. The fact that they are 1%
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haikugal Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:56 PM
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9. National Strike and Repeal of Citizens United!
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 10:01 PM
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10. Control of the Supreme Court.
If we want to keep the battles in the courts instead of the streets we must get rid of people like Thomas and Scalia. I think the easiest target, at this time, is Thomas. That is where I would put my money and energy.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 10:03 PM
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11. customers and self-sufficiency and small US businesses
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 10:05 PM
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12. That their power is illusion allowed by the sufferance of the 99%.
You win by refusing to play their game en mass, you are destined to lose playing their game by their rules. That is the entire purpose of setting up the game in the first place.

What drives you to beat them at their game, pride? We do everything, put the fuckers on ignore and re-boot.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 10:07 PM
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13. Transaction fee tax. nt
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 10:07 PM by tsuki
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 10:08 PM
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14. Selfishness. Not all rich folk, but you know the drill.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 10:10 PM
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15. Given that they've accomplished what may well be the greatest heist in human history,
I think it's no moral failing to simply walk away from our debts to them.

What if we all stopped paying them? At once?

That's a question we all ought to ponder for a bit.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 05:56 PM
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40. Yep. I've said it often..........
A "Repayment" strike.

It used to be that the only thing that the working class had to fight back with was the withholding of our labor. Or a strike. However because of the expansionist nature of capitalism, they had to do something in an era of flat incomes to encourage consumption. So they allowed the working class to accumulate debt. Now this is another weapon in the arsenal.

But the "Repayment" strike has to be done in conjunction with the general strike or it won't work. The legal system is built to crush working class resistance, so the only out is bankruptcy. If/when it comes to this, we all need to file Chapter 7 and NOT just stop payment. And all at the same time. That would be part of overloading the ENTIRE system.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 10:58 PM
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16. A truly progressive House and Senate majority
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:00 PM
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17. Pride cometh before the fall.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:02 PM
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18. Destroy a bank or two
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:03 PM
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19. Sheer number of people?
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Quibono Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:05 PM
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20. simple answer
FEAR. Is it success to desperately grasp more than you'll ever
need and be willing to screw anyone to get more? Of course
not, it's the signature of failure and plain old fear. Look
how well it's worked for the Neo-Cons & the Fox crowd to
carry fear like a cudgel. The most comical thought is that not
one of the buggers will take a cent with them  -and ooh, they
really hate that thought. 
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:21 PM
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21. *The* Achilles' Heel? Classism. The belief the upper class is entitled to better just because.
Eliminate that and it's hard for me to believe there would be one.

It's also hard for me to believe that's going to happen any time soon.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:32 PM
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22. The Vulnerability of the 1%
is the inequality that they demand and command into existence. Ir is an unnatural inequality: artificially created, artificially maintained via subversion of the community through the destruction of the natural economy.

To create and maintain an economy that oppresses so many people requires so much effort (to keep the 99% down) that it will fail of its own exhaustion, whenever the 99% decide they can't and won't take any more.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:35 PM
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23. I am truly disappointed in the above responses.
Many are just dreams. I want democracy. I want a cool SCOTUS. I want a Congress that represents us. Yes we all do, BUT HOW?

One answer above came close to what i believe. We must become independent of them. That is extremely hard. A very many of us work for them, depend on them for our livelihood. We depend on them to grow our food. Home gardens are swell but wont feed us. but we must be free of them


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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:39 PM
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24. Join a credit union and pull your cash out of the big banks. NT
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RickFromMN Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 12:47 AM
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25. The top 1% fear what may happen if the bottom 99% lose all hope and opt for revolution.
Edited on Fri Oct-21-11 12:48 AM by RickFromMN
I offer a controversial question...did FDR's New Deal save Capitalism?
The affirmative side suggests the New Deal saved Capitalism from complete collapse.
Reforms were put in place to halt the excesses of Capitalism.
People were given hope.
Some links, on the affirmative side:
http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/7076
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2008/03/the_new_new_deal.html
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USARnewdeal.htm

The negative side suggests the New Deal was creeping Socialism.
The negative side suggests the New Deal stifled the natural way Capitalism would correct itself.
Some links, on the negative side:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_New_Deal_save_capitalism_in_the_US_or_did_it_endanger_capitalism_by_promoting_socialist_activity_within_the_American_economic_system
http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=515

I tend to believe FDR's New Deal saved Capitalism.

In my view, we need another New Deal, with the American Public, if Capitalism is to survive.

Being a Socialist, I almost hope there isn't a New Deal.
People won't change the status quo until they lose all hope.
Unfortunately, the public reaction could just as easily be fascism instead of socialism.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 05:59 PM
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41. Succintly put Rick........
This old Trotskyist agrees with you. And welcome to DU. :)
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 01:01 AM
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26. Our spending is their income
Very simple. If you spend at W-mart or anywhere like that, guess where it goes?

Of course, in many ways our habits are determined by necessity, but little choices like going to a local market instead of a big chain, or buying fresh food at a farmer's market, can add up.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 01:23 AM
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27. Their wealth can be expropriated and their lives made
hellish. The fury of the masses once roused will not be easily extinguished.

We don't need to win at their game, becuase they will lose at ours.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 01:30 AM
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28. A widely spread General Strike for 2-3 weeks.
Stop the machine. They'll be on their knees, begging.

Since that will prolly not happen (understandably)...

Create a parallel "We The People" government and print a new currency.

IOW, ignore the "1%" corrupt government. Create a new DEMOCRACY with parliementary functions. ;)
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 06:05 PM
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42. What you are describing is a dual power setup
And I'd think it would take another 3 weeks on the general strike for a 6 week total time before it would effectively end the system as we know it. Of course by week two it would be classed as "economic terrorism" and the shit would hit the fan for all the leaders, official and unofficial, of the strike movement.

The dual power set up is VERY unstable though, so your alternate currency and parallel government would need to be in place for when it does hit the fan. I would suggest everyone take a page from the survivalists and start stocking up on essentials. If it happens you'll be glad you did. If it doesn't, you haven't wasted anything.
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dameocrat67 Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 01:50 AM
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29. Chris Hedges says it is the support of the police and the military
when that ends the 1% has to give up.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 06:12 PM
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43. The police (official or Xe) will always be a problem
Even in Tsarist Russia and Kerensky's Russia, the police stayed with the PTBs till the end. And they both were situations where almost the entire populace, OTHER than the police, was against the government.

Now the military is an interesting conundrum. No successful revolution happens without either the neutrality or the active cooperation of the "working class" of the military. The EMs. I think in our case with the inevitable hiring of XE by the ruling class if things REALLY get dicey for them, we're going to need the active participation of the EMs on our side. Else it will be VERY bloody and disruptive. There's more of us and we're armed too, but XE is WELL armed. IMO, we'll need the active participation of the military on our side to even it out.

Then you worry about a military "Bonapartist" dictatorship. Hopefully, the soldier's committees will forstall that.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 01:56 AM
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30. We out number them 99 to 1....
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 06:01 AM
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31. The ability of the Congress to raise their taxes.
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 06:30 AM
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32. greed is not self regulating
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 06:33 AM
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33. The collective agreement about money being worth what it is
As long as we all want what they have, money, then they win. What power would they have if they had what you didn't want? You don't get to beat them at that game.

I guess that makes it everyone's Achilles Heel though.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 07:11 AM
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34. I'd say it's the things they have to keep secret that could possibly see the light of day.
Transparency, it kills them.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 07:30 AM
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35. You don't win at their game, you stop playing.
As long as you are playing by their rules, they will win.

We need to write our own rules.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 07:34 AM
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36. We play our own game--mass organization.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:48 AM
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37. The fact that 90% of the 1% don't agree with that other 10%. n/t
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 05:47 PM
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38. It won't be pretty and we are probably too spoiled as a society
to do what must be done.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 05:54 PM
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39. People who don't have money don't buy stuff.
People who don't have money don't play the markets.

People who don't have money don't have savings.

People who don't have money ain't got nothing to lose.

That's the Achilles Heel of the 1%.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 07:09 PM
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44. Their weakness is for us to follow where their money really goes. To expose them.
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