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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 11:43 AM
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Column: 1 percent does most of giving
The civil rights center bearing the name of Detroit's Judge Damon Keith was dedicated last week at the Wayne State University Law School. Its mission is to protect the legal rights of the nation's most disaffected and powerless citizens, continuing the work to which Keith has dedicated his life.

And who do you think paid the $5.7 million tab for building the Keith Center?

Not the government. Not a dime of taxpayer money went into the construction. Not Wayne State — universities are too cash-strapped today to fund such ambitious projects.

The center that will stand up for the poorest of Americans was paid for by some of the wealthiest members of our community — that 1 percent being so harshly targeted by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20111023/OPINION03/110230308/Column--1-percent-does-most-of-giving#ixzz1bckUcaQG

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 11:47 AM
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1. a tax deduction for that donor --------- did the writer mention that?
A 5.7 million dollar tax deduction!
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Chih Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 12:00 PM
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7. Subsidizing giving encourages more giving...nothing wrong with that.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:22 PM
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15. let's see....
Edited on Sun Oct-23-11 02:23 PM by ldf
giving tax write offs to the rich to encourage them to give to charity, reduces taxes paid.

it encourages others who are rich to also give to charity, for the tax write offs, which reduces taxes paid.

so the giving to charity is specific. you give to the charity of your choice.

the tax deductions aren't. the rich can support those they agree with, and make sure, at the same time, social safety nets get less to help the masses.

what is wrong with that picture?

how about they pay their fair share. period.

edit to add....

take away the tax write off and see how much they give. they would show their true colors, very quickly.
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Chih Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 07:07 PM
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23. Bureaucratic mismanagement of the economy also reduces one's tax liability.
It is not right for those who created the problem to inflict further injury on the poor by limiting charitable giving.

There are several charitable organizations that have demonstrated an ability to do very good things, with very little G&A/OH costs. During tough economic times, there should be more incentives to give--not less.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 11:53 AM
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2. Additionally
If other similar donations are an indicator, I suspect that this generosity comes with strings attached.

sometimes benefactors are indeed socially responsible and generous, but they can also "give to get".

-90% Jimmy
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 11:54 AM
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3. Let's see how well a church functions without their large donors.
Of course they depend on them to keep running. So does the government. So what?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 12:53 PM
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11. Ever belonged to a church that owed a great deal to the richest
patron? Favoritism is not pretty.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 01:11 PM
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12. Actually, I've found them to do a surprisingly good job in redistributing the wealth.
Funny how that's okay for some conservatives when a church does it, but god forbid when the government does it...
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 11:59 AM
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4. Their budget last year was $900 million
At least two-thirds of which (probably more) came from taxpayers and tuition.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 11:59 AM
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5. Same tactic: Trying to make this about human beings versus human beings.
It is not. WE are the human beings with families and neighbors and children. We are fighting a corporate STRUCTURE that is not human and has no empathy. It is motivated by profit alone and uses up human beings like any other resource, for that end.

Token acts of charity by the very wealthy do not erase the fact that the structure in place is bleeding ordinary Americans into impoverishment and death. We need to change the structure.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 11:59 AM
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6. The One Percent have the most to give. By far.
So, some wealthy fucks coughed up a few bucks in order to get a tax deduction and a pat on the back from the ass-kissers in the media. Whoppdeefuckingdoo. I suppose they want a medal, too. Instead of giving these poor people a "center", why the hell don't they bring some industry there and give them the jobs they need far more than they do any sort of "center"?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 12:04 PM
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8. If I had billions, I'd give away millions, too.
That ass might want to look at what people give as percentages of income and see how the generosity stacks up.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 12:05 PM
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9. Yes, the very wealthy do buy names on buildings, tax breaks, and ego boosts...
... but that's not quite the same as "giving."

There's a story in the Bible about that...

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.


Matthew 6.2-4
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 12:51 PM
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10. Okay if that is true what did they ask in return? When the 99% give
they usually do not have all kinds of strings attached.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 01:44 PM
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13. This propaganda flack is trying to create
some misdirection. The major issues before the 99% are: war, poverty, taxation, unemployment, political corruption, debt relief, home foreclosures, the financial regulation of Wall Street, justice and equality before the law...not philanthropy.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:11 PM
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14. those with less give proportionally more to charity than those with more
That is a long-standing principle of fundraising.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:30 PM
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17. In my past, I've worked serving tables and
those of the working class ALWAYS gave better tips than those of the wealthier classes. Interesting.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 02:25 PM
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16. I is grateful, massa... grateful and humble. Can I have some more crumbs? nt
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 03:23 PM
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18. If I give a dime, will a newspaper write about me?
That's proportionately about the same amount, after all, when incomes are taken into account. In fact, since it mentions member(S), it's far more likely that a dime of mine would be 5 to 10 times as generous.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 03:25 PM
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19. If the 99% could afford it they would give too - and likely more generously -
but we're plum out after funding all the investment banker's bail outs.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 03:45 PM
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20. One reason the first and second estates were destroyed during
the French Revolution is that each was seen at having outlived its usefulness to the people.

Is this the only reason for the continued existence of the 1%, that they give to charity? If so, then I say let's expropriate the wealth and distribute it ourselves.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 03:46 PM
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21. Deliberately obtuse. It's the influence of money in politics, not money itself, that's targeted.

And they know that. Noblesse oblige is one of many tired rationalizations for why we shouldn't be bothered when a few control the many. They'll throw you crumbs, if you'll only kiss their ass.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 03:49 PM
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22. If the "donor" gets a tax deduction, then it's really like the government donated that money.
OUR government. The one paid for by the 99%.
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 07:11 PM
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24. Please explain. If that's true, why doesn't the government give 100% of that guy's money to charity
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