The PTB will murder whomever they want, the MSM will call the victims "terrorists", and...

[Odin2005]

...most Americans will be totally oblivious to what really happened, mislead by the latest MSM 2-minute hate and distracted by the latest missing blonde girl.

We've always been at war with Eastasia...

[FarPoint]

1. Excuse me...Please explain.

:shrug:

[Odin2005]

2. Third U.S. Citizen Killed by Obama’s Yemen Drone Strikes was a 16-Year-Old Boy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2164005

[AngkorWot]

3. There was a senior Al Qaeda leader in Yemen killed last week.

Among the collateral damage was the 16 year old son of another Al Qaeda leader killed the week before.

A few people are going apeshit over it and using it to attack Obama.

[Angry Dragon]

5. As well they should

[AngkorWot]

8. Not really.

If you go to Yemen and hang around with terrorists, that sort of thing is bound to happen. If anybody deserves the blame, it's the terrorists and the boy's parents. Oh, wait. His dad was a terrorist.

:shrug:

[Angry Dragon]

11. Where is the evidence that any of these people were terrorists??

I want to see the the links from you

[AngkorWot]

12. Well, more often then that it's from their own bragging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

[Angry Dragon]

13. Where are the links to prove that the newest people killed

were terrorists??


I don't know why we just don't kill all 'those' people and let their god sort it all out??

[Cid_B]

22. I'll submit my idea from another thread...

Every time there is a chance to take out a terrorist/misunderstood soul, POTUS will send out a mass facebook poll to decide if he should go ahead or not. He'll lay out all proof and sourcing material and wait for the average populace to tell him what to do...

Sound better ? :eyes:

[Angry Dragon]

26. I did read that post before and it was garbage then and

garbage now

In my opinion we are no better than the people we are trying to kill

[sibelian]

31. Civilised behaviour isn't about polls, I'm afraid.

Either you hold yourself to some kind of moral standard or you don't.

[Cid_B]

33. Sometimes killing people is absolutely the moral thing to do...

It's ignorance on your part if you don't realize it...

[Exilednight]

36. Killing is never moral. Once you start going down that slipperly slope, there is no going back and

later deciding that you are a nation of laws that places value on life.

[sibelian]

39. Blurring it with "sometimes"

does not muddy the waters for *me*.

[tnlefty]

43. Really? So I can take out my terrorist repub neighbors, just

because they support the party that is trashing this country? 16, 14, 9,6,7 yr. old and everything in between?

I never realized that killing people is the moral thing to do...I thought Christ taught something much differnet, but I'm going with the kill'em all, let Fod sort it out thingy. Thanks!

[Cid_B]

44. If that is what you took away from that...

... I expect to see you on the news soon. Make sure to give a big shoutout....

[Scuba]

18. Capture and trial I can support. If they die evading capture, so be it....

... but just killing them? No.

[ThomCat]

37. Where is the verdict from a court that says so?

We used to be a nation that believed in the rule of law. Nobody was declared guilty and given a death sentence without a trial, in which evidence was presented and a person was allowed a defense.

Where was that trail? What evidence?

When did we become a nation that allows a politician to decide who lives and who dies? When did extra-judicial assassinations become acceptable?

Of course he's going to claim that anyone he kills was a terrorist. The reason for courts is to make sure it was really true. We'll never know for sure though, because he bypassed the courts.

We have become the terrorists.

[Name removed]

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[NutmegYankee]

Why?

Standing next to or manning Military targets can get you killed. Just ask the Hitler Youths who died manning AA Flak guns or manning spotlights. It's really simple - stay away from battle zones or active military targets and you'll probably be fine.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/hitleryouth/hj-boy-soldiers.htm

[Angry Dragon]

23. So in your mind anyplace in the Middle East is a battle zone??

The last two drone attacks we have been told about did not happen in a military complex

[NutmegYankee]

27. And they hit a valid military target.

I'm absolutely sure there were plenty of safer places in the Middle East than riding with a Terrorist leader.

[Angry Dragon]

28. Links to what he has done as a terrorist...........

[NutmegYankee]

29. Here:

Ibrahim al-Banna: head of media for the Yemeni branch of AL-Qaeda. This group, better known as Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), has been identified by US intelligence chiefs as the most dangerous terrorist operation in the world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-15/al-qaeda-media-chief-killed-in-air-strike/3573120

Here's a profile of the group: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11483095 This is the group who tried to blow up the plane on Christmas Day a few years back.

[Angry Dragon]

30. Okay

However, I still question the moral right to kill civilians to kill terrorists

[sibelian]

32. There isn't one, of course.

[Odin2005]

35. Calling them a "military target" is the whole problem.

Do we send the army drones after Mafia thugs? Terrorists are not soldiers, they are criminals.

[NutmegYankee]

42. Obviously I disagree with your assertion. nt

[FarPoint]

17. Oh now....

keep it real....we have plenty of domestic issues here in the US to go apeshit over; ....terrorsist spawn terrorist essentially...collateral damage happens....so, I feel just fine...so should you...relax

[Angry Dragon]

24. 9/11 in my opinion was just collateral damage

so why get worked up about it??

[msongs]

4. if killing people using drones was good enough for jesus it is good enough for us lol nt

[randome]

7. LOL.

Thanks.

[woo me with science]

6. The ACLU on Obama and Core Liberties

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2069714

http://politics.salon.com/2011/09/07/liberties_3/singleton/

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/report-call-courage-reclaiming-our-liberties-ten-years-after-911

[TheKentuckian]

9. That is the current trajectory. Most won't even be questioned because it will just be a secret

if it comes out then call them a terrorist and roll on because there is no mechanism to question or hold anyone accountable, or even to correct errors in our intelligence gathering or decision making, assuming the very best of intents and execution.

Our closed and unchecked loop is insane and at complete odds with our entire set of values that used to generally extend beyond partisan divides. Now the opposite is true, both sides are driving a bunch of Dark Ages mentality supposedly to control Dark Agers but far more plausibly to control our own population.

[whatchamacallit]

38. +1 n/t

[randome]

10. Do you have a need to feel powerless?

'Collateral damage' is not always a term meant to convey lack of empathy. It's also a very descriptive term regarding people caught in the crossfire.

I do not condone killing anyone. I don't condone using drones to kill anyone. But sometimes shit happens.

On edit:

And why did you feel the need to start TWO threads on this subject?

[Odin2005]

14. Because this thread is more about how the MSM abets this BS.

hence the 1984 references in my OP.

[jakeXT]

15. Joseph Goebbels: “Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”

What emerges from Large’s story is that the Berlin Olympics were less Orwell’s orgy of hatred than a propaganda coup. They were brilliantly stage-managed, in a way that showed Joseph Goebbels at his craftiest: as he said, “Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.” Overt Jew-baiting was toned down for the duration, visitors were treated well, and at Goebbels’s insistence the German news media covered the Games in a sporting spirit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/books/review/Wheatcroft-t.html?pagewanted=print

[randome]

16. So...Obama is Goebbels.

The government is evil. And we are all fucked.

Got it. I think. I'm going to go cry in a corner now.

[Scuba]

19. That's quite a leap.

[randome]

21. I don't know.

I think mentioning Goebbels and the Nazis on a thread about the middle east is deliberately drawing a parallel.

I agree with what you said earlier in that I would prefer capture and trial to outright killing. On the other hand, simply getting a contingent of soldiers that far into the country would cost a hell of a lot more lives.

Is there a balance to be struck? I can't always answer that.

[Scuba]

34. Why use soldiers? International law enforcement services...

...would have denied the 9/11 criminals the status of "warriors" and we could have spent 10% of the cost of the wars (to help them beef up their cop shops).

[randome]

41. Agree with that.

The 'international coalition' from the Bush years was bogus from the start.

[jakeXT]

20. The Nazis called it Keyboard, we called it Wurlitzer

Deputy Director Frank Wisner proudly referred to the CIA's worldwide propaganda machine as "the mighty Wurlitzer." And indeed, the agency's skill at murdering people is matched only by its ability to murder the truth.
The CIA has published literally hundreds of books that spread its party line on the Cold War. It was particularly proud of The Penikovsky Papers, supposedly the memoirs of a KGB defector but actually completely ghostwritten by CIA scribes. A bit more embarrassing was Claire Sterling's book which advanced the now-discredited theory that the Russians were behind the 1981 attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II. Even the popular Fodor's Travel Guides started as a CIA front.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Wurlitzer_CIAHits.html


Obama just worked at one of those fronts, there is no proof he was CIA.

Although Pilger makes that conclusion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezcr18NTOtA

[randome]

25. Obama is either Goebbels or a CIA plant.

HE IS NOT WHAT HE SEEMS!!!

Next thing I know, you'll be questioning his citizenship.