Anonymous is going after Fox News... Bravo!

[budkin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa_FzQV5fpE

[GreenStormCloud]

1. So Anonymous seeks to censor those with whom it disagrees.

That is the road to tyranny. I doubt that they will have much success. In the process they will piss off a lot of ordinary folks who won't like someone else deciding what they can and can't watch.

[lunatica]

2. Yeah, FOX never censores anybody

:sarcasm:

[GreenStormCloud]

17. They don't.

They make no attempt to shut down other media with whom they disagree. They have to right to choose who may or may not speak on their network.

[GreenStormCloud]

34. They don't. They are not required to air any particular view.

But they don't attempt to shut down youtube or other avenues such as DU.

Let us suppose that I have a soapbox. I then have the right to control who gets to use my soapbox because it is MY soapbox. If I don't let you use it I have not censored you as you are free to get your own soapbox. But if I attempt to destroy your soapbox, or stop you from getting on it, then I have censored you because I have interfered with your rights.

Even FOX has rights. If you restrict rights to only those with whom you agree then one day you will find that you don't have any rights.

[Fire Walk With Me]

3. Fox already decide what you can and can't watch. Seen any positve #Occupy footage on Fox?

Did Fox air this smart interview, even in part?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yrT-0Xbrn4&list=FLmbtpDQcIb2UFYtrWBjFCkA&index=19

[michnied123]

14. Jesse Legreca...

is my hero

[GreenStormCloud]

18. Wrong. You are free to look at other media. They do not control your decision.

FOX is under no obligation to air any particular video or promote any viewpoint. They have not tried to block you from seeing that video you linked to.

[Fire Walk With Me]

28. They sure stopped me from seeing it on Fox! Fox "news" is full of crap.

They're part of the problem, how can you not get that?

[GreenStormCloud]

Using censorship is NOT the answer.

Anonymous is going to attempt to use force to shut down FOX news. That is wrong.

[Fire Walk With Me]

46. So all the harm they've done and will continue to do for their owner$ is okay?

I get your stance, "don't censor the censors". I just cannot possibly agree as they only cause harm, they are a Limbaugh on a smaller scale. Your argument is sophistry. People and the country are suffering because of them. If your child were being beaten up at school every day you'd do something, you wouldn't declaim "don't censor the bullies". That is not a request for further comment, I get it, you are fixed in this.

[GreenStormCloud]

50. If you gain the power to shot down conservative organizations...

...you will someday find that power used against you, not because you will be a conservative but because at some point you will disagree with the powers who decide what can be said.

The way to battle FOX news is to be better at presenting your side of the debate. If your side is losing to the other side it is because you aren't communicating well enough to the public, or the public is simply rejecting you.

Nobody is forcing the public to watch FOX. They are making that choice on their own. By what power do you claim the authority to tell the public that they can't watch FOX if they want to?

[Cid_B]

52. Imagine a right leaning physical newspaper...

Would you support a group walking in with bats and explosives and destroying their computers and presses? Maybe slashing tires on delivery trucks?

Same thing here... both deprive the target of time and resources because you don't agree with their view... Incredibly shortsighted...

Bravo... :eyes:

[quinnox]

6. Fox news is a legitimate target

I applaud this action. This is a war, and Fox news is the equivalent of Joseph Goebbels, Nazi truth minister, in their propaganda machine.

I would have approved of attacks against Goebbels various media outlets too if I had been around at the time.

[GreenStormCloud]

19. Censorship is always wrong.

It is sad to see progressives who are so ready to silence those with whom they disagree. Democracy requires that all sides be allowed to be heard.

[Ellipsis]

74. So is propaganda.

[GreenStormCloud]

75. Who decides what is propaganda?

The idea of free speech is that different ideas can speak while the listener can listen to whatever they want to and decide for themselves if it is propaganda. Anon is claiming the authority to make that decision for the general public and deny them their right to listen to whomever they want to. That is what dictators do.

[gholtron]

7. I'm confused

Are you talking about Fox or Anonymous?

[GreenStormCloud]

20. I believe I was rather clear. N/T

[xchrom]

11. WTF!?!? Nt

[GreenStormCloud]

22. Simple. I am against censorship, even of our enemies. N/T

[xchrom]

27. Then you don't understand even the basics. Nt

[GreenStormCloud]

29. Actually, I do understand censorship very well.

Like many here, you are ready to use censorship without understanding that it can then be used against you one day.

[Cid_B]

33. Same as smashing a printing press back in the day...

It is "war" after all.... :eyes:

[GreenStormCloud]

37. Yes. Sad that many here don't understand that. N/T

[Bandit]

15. Only the Government can censor

Private companies can choose not to participate in any manner they choose. Happens all the time..

[GreenStormCloud]

21. Anonymous has stated that they will attempt to shut down FOX.

That is an attempt to censor opposing views, and is against the spirit of democracy. Even those with whom on disagrees must be allowed to speak. Even the ACLU once defended the KKK's right to march in a parade.

[girl gone mad]

36. Please learn the definition of censorship.

You are making yourself look foolish.

[GreenStormCloud]

38. Anonymous is trying to set themselves up as an authority on what news may be aired.

Although Anonymous is not a government authority they are attempting to govern what FOX may and may not say. Therefore they are attempting to act as a censor.

[girl gone mad]

58. Only actual governments can censor.

Anonymous is not a government or a government-sanctioned authority.

They cannot censor anything.

[GreenStormCloud]

60. You are quibbling over sematics.

Anon is threatening to use force to stop FOX. That Anon isn't a part of government makes what they are doing even more illegitmate. Would you approve of demonstrators going into a conservative newspaper and smashing the presses? It is the same thing. FOX has a right to publish their views. Anon does not have a right to stop them. Anon does have a right to publish their counter view on their own media outlets.

The only way to defend our rights is to also defend the rights of those with whom we disagree.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

24. The road to TYRANNY I tell you & that starts w/T which rhymes w/P & that stands for

Pool - Right here in River City - so says the concerned grifter in "The Music Man"

Sorry - Fox advertises itself as "Fair & Balanced News". The station should welcome the attention - Now is they time for them to SHINE - To be proud and loud.

[GreenStormCloud]

42. What about conservative newspapers & magazines?

Are you ready to go smash their printing presses? Would you approve of confiscating and burning their papers, mags, and books?

[AnotherMother4Peace]

68. Shining a bright light on their "Fair & Balanced" BS is all that needs to be done. No burning. nt

[malaise]

31. Fox lies

Go Anonymous!

[GreenStormCloud]

39. So only those whom you believe have a right to speak? N/T

[malaise]

91. Lies are lies

You cannot call LIES news and expect support while hiding behind first amendment rights.

[GreenStormCloud]

94. Yes, you can.

Even lying political speech is protected.

[Whisp]

40. Fox had a part in the Chimp becoming President. Fuck'em.

[GreenStormCloud]

44. So what? Do you REALLY desire that only your side be allowed to speak?

Think carefully about what you wish for.

[Whisp]

48. o fluff n' stuff.

fox news can take a few hits on their biased and ugly stances. anonymous has the same friggen rights your precious free speech fox has.
they are dangerous tools and must be dealt with in some way.

whether anon has the way, who knows.
but I shed no tears for Fox's poor widdle rights being threatened.

[GreenStormCloud]

49. Anon does not have the right to shut down FOX, or anybody else.

Anon only has the right to state their own views. The only way to defend your own rights is to defend FOX's rights too. Strip them of their rights and you will lose yours too.

[devilgrrl]

78. Not even those kiddie porn sites they nailed the past few days?

Puh-leeze.

[GreenStormCloud]

80. As a society we have agreed that kiddie -porn is outside the pale.

Both RW & LW agree on that. However if our society were that of ancient Sparta then we would find kiddie-porn acceptable. Our society has pretty much agreed that political speech should be free of censorship. By what right does Anon claim the authority to dictate to the public what political positions they can listen to? If you strip your political opponents of their rights, which is what you want to do, you will eventually find you have lost your own rights.

[lunatica]

88. Since when is lying and diseminating propaganda and hate sanctified as a right?

Anonymous simply brings such things to the attention of the world. Fox News has not been taken out. They've simply been hacked temporarily.

Is it the right of an entity, whether it's Fox News or your next door neighbor to spread blind raging hatred based on nothing more than lies and their agenda towards you because you post on DU? Would you think maybe your rights are being trampled while they can fall back on the Constitution to protect them?

But I'm probably wrong. I'm sure you would have their back no matter how much they ruined your life.

[GreenStormCloud]

93. Free speech means that even your enemies must have freedom of speech.

If your enemies don't have freedom of speech, then you won't either. Even temporary interference is wrong.

What rights of mine has FOX trampled? I post here on DU all that I want to and can access DU when I want to.

[dogknob]

41. Siddown Waldo! n/t

[GreenStormCloud]

43. ????

[devilgrrl]

47. Making shit up isn't dissent

eom.

[GreenStormCloud]

51. But they still have the right to say it.

The only way to defend your rights is to defend theirs too.

[devilgrrl]

67. Then people have a right to attack them for lying. Anonymous is not a government entity.

Boo hoo.

[GreenStormCloud]

71. But Anon is trying to stop citizens from being able to view FOX.

Citizens have the RIGHT to view what they want to. Anon does not have the right to stop citizens from enjoying their freedoms. Anon is saying to citizens, "We of Anon know what's best for you so we are going to block your access to FOX." They may not be a government but that is still censorship, and is wrong. Further, they will really piss off tens of millions of citizens who won't be happy about not being able to watch what they want to watch. Pissing off people is not going to win them to your side.

[devilgrrl]

77. Boo F'ing hoo - their viewers will just have to go elsewhere for their lies.

If you think you're being fair minded and standing up for "freedom" - you aren't.

[GreenStormCloud]

79. Yes, I am standing up for freedom.

You are wanting to be a dictator. You want to tell others what they can and can't watch. You want to deny others their freedom.

[devilgrrl]

83. Your concern has been duly noted.

:boring:

[Systematic Chaos]

62. If there were still regulations on the books to keep the news media truly "balanced..."

I would agree with you 100%.

However, since what we have in Fox "News" is a propaganda outlet which lies and distorts at will and ad nauseam, with no repercussions from the FCC or otherwise, I'm going to have to say that anybody with the cojones to throw some monkey wrenches into their works has my blessing.

The people most certainly do have a right to watch whatever they want. But at the same time, Fox "News" is committing its own "tyranny" on a daily basis with no fear of rebuke. If the government is so neutered that it can no longer maintain a semblance of truth in reporting, then by all means let groups like Anonymous make it far more expensive for the liars, obfuscators and purveryors of distorted "news" to operate.

And as far as those pissed off ordinary folks, it's a pretty safe bet that nearly all of them are a lost cause anyway if they allow their world views and outlooks to be defined by Fox "News." They can go whine about it at their next Teabagging balls-on-chin rally.

[GreenStormCloud]

66. FOX is almost entirely cable, satellite, or internet now.

So the FCC would have little effect on them.

Part of having free speech is the freedom to tell their version of events. You may call it lies, but to them it is truth. You would have the FCC (government) to determine an official version of the truth that must be adhered to by all. How quickly do you think that power would be abused?

The way to counter FOX is to put your own version of events before the public. If they still decide to log onto FOX then you need to do a better job of communicating.

[Systematic Chaos]

84. There is but one truth. There is no "to them it is truth."

Fox is clearly not doing what they do out of well-meaning but misguided altruism.

Free speech does guarantee individuals the right to express whatever they may choose, but it should never allow a media corporation to deliberately lie and slant issues to serve the interests of other corporations.

[GreenStormCloud]

86. Who decides what is a deliberate slant?

I never claim that FOX is altruistic. They are a profit driven corporation. As soon as you begin to decide what can and can't be said you will have destroyed free speech, including your own.

[Systematic Chaos]

90. Cool story, brah.

:)

[Lucian]

81. What an idiotic statement.

Fox does the same goddamn thing.

And only governments can be tyrannical. Anonymous isn't the government.

[GreenStormCloud]

87. Anon is trying to set themselves up as the gatekeepers...

...of what the public can and can't see. They want to be dictators. FOX does not attempt to shut down any other media outlets so they aren't doing the same thing.

[AsherWI]

4. About time! n/t

[lpbk2713]

5. Seems fair to me.

If Murdoch thinks it's OK to bug people's phones ... why not?

[gateley]

8. Does Anon usually give a heads-up and a target date? nt

[mmonk]

9. Yes.

[gateley]

10. Thank -- didn't know that. nt

[CountAllVotes]

12. OpCashBack Begins November 5th

I don't know but "Operation Cash Back" is also on November 5th. :wtf:

[blogslut]

13. Fox News better close the curtains and buy a dog

These hackers is on steroids.

Or not.

That's the beauty/problem with anonymous - they can be anybody or nobody.

[starroute]

16. I'm not so sure

It's always hard to tell, because *anyone* can speak for Anonymous -- but the core members seem to have sworn off DDOS attacks since it got a lot of low-level participants arrested.

And for whatever it's worth, here are some tweets posted a couple of hours ago by one of the more knowledgeable Anonymous twitter accounts:

http://twitter.com/#!/AnonyOps/statuses/128563313511645184

The internet tells me anons are attacking fox news. bit.ly/rMxr7d though, I'm not sure what taking down their website will achieve.


http://twitter.com/#!/AnonyOps/statuses/128563455505596416

Everyone knows people who watch Fox News can't read. Taking down their website is useless.


http://twitter.com/#!/AnonyOps/statuses/128563610518687745

....You'd get better mileage out of shutting down Fox's TV stations. Just saying.


http://twitter.com/#!/AnonyOps/statuses/128563747836010496

(Not that I condone that, either)

[Nancy Waterman]

23. Thanks to FOX, Acorn was shut down

and Planned Parenthood was almost shut down, so I think they and all their lies are a legitimate target.
They are not legitimate news. I don't think lies that are slanderous and destructive should be protected.

[DainBramaged]

35. +1,000,000,000,000

[TNLib]

25. Yay! Anon finally does something useful.

nt

[Rex]

26. Good! Bought time someone put that GOP mouthpiece out of business!

If Foxnews was a legitimate news organization, I would care. Since all they do is fabricate propaganda aimed at getting Obama kicked out of office...I agree with Anon!

FUCK THEM UP ANON!

[chowder66]

30. They should post facts instead of taking it down.

I don't know if they can do that or maybe they can cause a page to pop up and reveal facts vs lies. Something to that effect.

[DainBramaged]

32. Anonymous needs to go after some of the sites that harass-DU and it's members

dirty jealous cave dwellers they are....

[Systematic Chaos]

57. If there were a fund for that I'd donate.

:hi: Sow-lick and friends!

[GreenStormCloud]

61. What sites harass DU & our members?

I am aware of several sites that mock DU & some of our members, but that isn't harassment.

[lindysalsagal]

45. I love it!

Faux promoted murder in Iraq. No sympathy here.
:bounce:

[GreenStormCloud]

53. What does Anon thin will happen when they tell tens of millions of folks...

..."We won't let you watch FOX. We, the all-wise Anonymous have determined that FOX news if bad for you and for your own good we are stopping you from watching."? Just how well do you think most folks will take to such a stance? How many hearts and minds do you think that will win? It will be a golden gift to the RW who will have an easy time painting Anon as wannabe LW dictators-of-the-proletariat.

[Whisp]

54. take the media back.

Fox is the worst offender and the vengeance should properly begin there.

the media is in large part responsible for the sad state of affairs as they are - they are not doing their jobs of properly informing the public, but of serving the people that own them. And those people, the 1%ers couldn't give a fuck about the rest of us. Time for a change.

[GreenStormCloud]

55. So you want the government to decide what will be one the news and who it is covered?

And you didn't answer the guestion. What will those tens of millions of people do when you tell them that they can't watch what they want to watch?

[Whisp]

56. Anon is not the government

I don't understand you.

and those tens of millions without Fox might grow a couple brain cells being without Fox's ill influence in disinformation.
It would be like getting rid of something nasty - like herpies.

[GreenStormCloud]

59. So you want to be a dictator.

You want to tell tens of millions of people what they can and can't watch. That is a real good way to get them very pissed off at you. Do you really think that such an action will get them to support your causes?

I am very easy to understand. I oppose all censorship. Anon is attempting to use force to compel people to watch only Anon approved news and that is censorship and is wrong.

Would you approve of going to a conservative newspaper and smashing the press? There is no difference. It is an attempt to use force to stop the publication of ideas that you don't like.

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. Faux News LIES. They should not be allowed on our airwaves. Period. End of subject.

WTF? You're defending them? You have got to be kidding me.

[GreenStormCloud]

76. I am defending their rights against wannabe dictators.

The only way to defend my rights is to defend their rights too. So many here want to have rights only for those with whom they politically agree and to strip the other side of rights.

BTW - FOX isn't on the airwaves. They are cable, satellite, and internet, not broadcast.

[unkachuck]

63. K&R....murdoch should be able to appreciate a good fox-hunt....n/t

[emilyg]

64. I don't like censorship.

[GreenStormCloud]

82. It is sad to see so many progressives who are ready to throw away...

...their rights and freedoms for a temporary political victory. They don't understand that censorship ultimately ends up being used against those who first supported it.

[emilyg]

85. Very wise comment.

[Fire Walk With Me]

65. Bill O’Reilly Admits That Fox News Is Waging A War Against Occupy Wall Street

Bill O’Reilly Admits That Fox News Is Waging A War Against Occupy Wall Street
October 24, 2011By Jason Easley2diggsdiggShare291

By trying to defend the Fox News smear campaign against Occupy Wall Street as self-defense, Bill O’Reilly accidentally admitted that Fox is waging war on the 99%.

Fox News isn’t just smearing the left when they attack Occupy Wall Street. They are insulting the left, right, and middle. In their fantasy, Occupy Wall Street is only a movement of the left, but the reality is that there are people of all shapes, sizes, colors, backgrounds, ages, and political beliefs taking part in these protests, and Fox News has declared them all to be the enemy.

Anonymous has called Fox News a propaganda organization, and vowed to shut them down, but FNC is more than propaganda. Fox News is the voice of the one percent. They are the mainstream media troops who are trying to silence the 99%. One percenters like Bill O’Reilly are afraid of Occupy Wall Street, so they are using all their power to try to destroy it.

Occupy Wall Street is not only a threat to Wall Street. It is also a threat to media giants who make their money by feeding the American people an anesthetic of misinformation and fear. News Corp is the most powerful media company in the world, but they are being defeated because the 99% has had enough.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/bill-oreilly-fox-ows

[former9thward]

69. Anonomous said they were going to shut down the NY Stock Exchange.

I'm still waiting for that one.

[Modern_Matthew]

70. More power to them. They shouldn't be allowed on the air until they drop the "News" word... nt

[GreenStormCloud]

They aren't on the "air". FCC doesn't apply to them.

FOX is a cable and satellite television news channel.

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. Fox Hunt November 5th! Bwahahahahahaha!

:rofl::rofl:

Fox Hunt...how freakin' perfect is THAT?! I'm going to be tuned to Fox (MUTED!!!!!) on November 5th just so I can watch it go off the air. :woohoo::woohoo:

I LOVE anonymous!

Next up...they need to start working on the people who hack evoting machines. That's why the damn RWers are being so arrogant. They KNOW they have the evoting machines sewn up tight to steal 2012.

[SkyDaddy7]

89. My guess is nothing happens...

But there is always the chance that the website goes down for an hour or so but my money is on nothing happens.

Would love to wrong, though.

[AsahinaKimi]

92. Anonymous has my blessings

And may they succeed far beyond anyone's expectations!