President Obama's approval rating amongst liberal Democrats for October 17th-23rd is 78%.

[LoZoccolo]

[leftstreet]

1. Why did it drop?

[TheWraith]

2. Hard to say. Or, for that matter, if it actually did.

The statistics behind polling are variable, and tend to produce "outliers" every so often even when consistently using the same methods. To achieve anything approaching certainty, you have to look at trends and polling numbers in the aggregate. When you have a substantial change without a specific reason, it may be an outlier.

[leftstreet]

3. For Gawd's sake don't ask him for a link

:D

[TheWraith]

4. Unlike some here, I know how to type "Gallup.com" into my browser. nt

[leftstreet]

5. I don't go there they have dna scanner activation on web cams they're replicating us help

[Cali_Democrat]

35. How is somebody supposed to know if the OP is referring to Gallup?

[LoZoccolo]

38. I forgot to tell people it's Gallup this time.

[demosincebirth]

21. Different polster, I guess.

[Electric Monk]

6. Define the words "liberal" and "approval" please, in the context of this poll.

If you can, which I'm assuming you can't, which makes the number meaningless.

[LoZoccolo]

7. I can't, but the people who took the poll might be able to.

[Electric Monk]

8. Then why did you start a meaningless thread?

[LoZoccolo]

9. Which one?

[TBF]

12. Now that is an excellent question. nt

[gratuitous]

13. Good luck with that

These polls get posted and hyped whenever they're published, but nobody seems to know how a "liberal" is selected or what "approve" really means. But it seems to please some folks that they think they can shove this "news" out there as "proof" of something or other. Usually what I've noticed is that it's supposed to shut up everyone who has the temerity to notice that the Obama administration isn't all that and a bag of chips, liberal values-wise.

[TheWraith]

18. It's pretty obvious, if you're not trying to spin every story into bad news for Obama.

Liberal is based on self identification. Approval is kind of a straightforward word: do you or do you not approve of the job the President is doing.

Some people just don't want to face up to the fact that the angry internet crowd is not at all representative of liberal Democrats, so they try to spin it that the poll doesn't really represent liberals, or that they don't REALLY approve of Obama.

[gratuitous]

20. Sure

Whatever you say. So, if, for example, Heath Shuler wants to identify himself as a "liberal" Democrat, the pollster doesn't inquire too closely into that. And if, say, John Bolten "approves" of Obama because of the way he and his military are indiscriminately snuffing people in other countries with drone missile strikes, then it's all good as long as the numbers please some other people.

[TheWraith]

22. In other words, to justify your opinion you believe there's a massive conspiracy to rig Gallup polls

Including thousands upon thousands of people conspiring, just on the off chance they're randomly called by Gallup, to claim that they're liberal Democrats in order to throw off one poll number on Gallup. Even though every single poll, everywhere, consistently shows that the more liberal one is, the more likely you are to approve of Obama's job performance, and the more conservative you are the more likely you are to disapprove.

Because according to you, that massive ground-up conspiracy theory is simpler than than the possibility that it's your opinions that represent a small minority, and that you are not the arbiter of how all liberals everywhere think and feel.

[gratuitous]

24. Gee, I said all that?

And here I thought I was just calling this poll a meaningless repetitive exercise in self-congratulation for folks who don't want to inquire too closely into what constitutes "liberal" "approval" of the Obama administration.

But those approval numbers have gone down again, but that's apparently what doesn't mean anything.

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[emulatorloo]

29. More like a reality check for DU'ers who endlessly claim that Liberal Dems have deserted Obama

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

[Hippo_Tron]

31. In what universe would Heath Shuler even think about identifying himself as a liberal?

I don't know if you're aware, but the word "liberal" has had mostly negative connotations associated with it in American politics, since the 1980's.

Odds are more actual liberals are going to identify themselves to a pollster as moderates rather than moderates identifying themselves as liberals.

[emulatorloo]

27. It is simple: The people in the poll self-identify,

They put themselves in the category.

Here is the link:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Look at those who identify as Democrats.

Liberal Democrat 78%
Moderate Democrat 72%
Conservative Democrat 59%

[Number23]

37. That averages out to about 70% approval

Not bad but they could be alot better...

[City Lights]

10. Good job, LoZ!

:applause:

[Enrique]

11. not high enough

anything short of 100% means liberals are deranged with Obama hatred. :sarcasm:

[pintobean]

14. No link? Is it from a poll? Who's poll?

Maybe it's just a BS number.:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[City Lights]

15. Nah. LoZ would never BS us. eom

[LoZoccolo]

16. I forgot to post that it is a Gallup poll.

[emulatorloo]

28. Here is the link. Gallup Presidential Approval Center

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

[LoZoccolo]

30. Thank you for helping out by posting the link.

[City Lights]

32. If you think posting a link is helpful you should post one yourself.

You always claim they're not necessary because your one-liner is easily verifiable.

[spanone]

17. on d.u. this post gets constantly unrec'd....ain't that sumpin'

rec to zero

[City Lights]

19. The unrecs have nothing to do with the subject matter. eom

[TheWraith]

23. Of course they do.

There are many factually scantier posts that get much more love, as long as they're bashing Obama.

[Number23]

36. I saw a post from someone here saying that because of OWS, they had rented V for Vendetta

again and how they really enjoyed it. I kid you not, that was the entire OP. That sucker got over 50 recs.

This forum is a never ending source of unintentional comedy.

[Union Scribe]

39. Correct.

Can't believe anyone needed that pointed out!

[Rex]

26. people say the darnedest things

:rofl:

[Obamanaut]

33. Is there some sort of source, or are these simply numbers from a hat.

[bluestate10]

34. DU "Progressives" have not burned you on a stake yet?

Thank god for the anonymity of the internet. But I like your posts, keep wailing away. There is no better cleanser than the truth.