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LadyLeigh (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 04:57 PM Original message |
Umm, yes, putting "Sharia Law" into a constitution is a big deal. And it does not bode well. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Every Muslim country bases their laws on Sharia. |
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LadyLeigh (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Who says its a muslim country? It wasn't up until now. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Really? |
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LadyLeigh (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. The US that I live in is not a "Christian nation". Never has been. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
59. That's why I said it was silly. The point is that we should not be surprised ... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
87. Texas Republicans are on record as stating you do indeed live in a "Christian nation". |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Except their brand of Christianity DOESN'T control this country (not yet) |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 06:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
58. The US is NOT a Christian nation. |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. That is not true at all. Many Muslim countries do not base |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. The Russians purged Kazakhstan of Islam in the 18th Century. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
96. Most majority Muslim countries in the world are secular |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Your lists aren't accurate. For example the UAE on your lists would imply that Sharia has no place |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. They can watch their tourist dollars plummet to ZERO. |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Because tourism under the former dictator was booming? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Libya? Tourist dollars? |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
77. Yep. Libya has incredible tourist sites. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. The point is they've had very few tourist dollars from people who would care about sharia law. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. They had a growing tourist industry with plans for resorts |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. I still don't see what sharia law will do to reduce their tourism dollars. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. No, Sharia law won't stop tourists. But chaos will. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. You mean like Dubai? |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. so if they dont listen to our demands |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. Why stoop to that when we can always bomb them again |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. Agreed, but democracy trumps my preferred political outcome. A dictator may |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Slavery was "chosen by the populace" in the South.. |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Apartheid was "chosen" in South Africa |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. By a minority of white colonists and their descendants. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Uhm, Sharia DOES mean things such as women inherit half as much as men, and glbt people |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Sure, they CAN, but it's ridiculously optimistic... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. So we should just shut up about it? It seems as though anyone expressing alarm |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Bad example |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. But the US as a nation had a very short history. Libya can also base it's new constitution on... |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I haven't said they SHOULD impose sharia law; however I'm realistic enough to realise... |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 02:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
53. You look at Libya from a Western point of view, and you refuse to face |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Gosh, you mean most Americans don't see themselves as religious people?? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
84. "the big majority of them anyway" |
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Threedifferentones (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. No one is far removed from tribalism. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. At the time of the Declaration of Independence... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. I knew that but was simplifying to make a point.. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
91. New England founded by people fleeing Empire. South founded by people expanding Empire. |
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LadyLeigh (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. A democracy without women's suffrage isn't a democracy. Not from a female perspective. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I don't accept a lack of women's suffrage. You don't accept dictatorship (no suffrage). |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. How is it a democracy if the first step is to disenfranchise women and ethnic minorities? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Bingo. This "liberation" had nothing to do with people and everything to do with |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. That's just ignorant, I'm afraid. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Only 25% of Libya has been explored for oil, and Gaddafi kept a tight rein over the industry - |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 02:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. The first thing these "rebels" did was form a central bank |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Shockers. They addressed their country's financial needs and most important natural resource? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Except they had no democratic mandate to do either, did they? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Do you even comprehend the slippery slope on which you just alighted? |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. How about just taking religion out of politics - worldwide |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. "It's their country" is a valid argument. The US has no business being |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. And if things get bad they can ask us for help. No Fly Zones, or troops, whatever |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. I agree with half, but only half, of that. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 05:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
56. As the Patrick Swayze character in 'Roadhouse' said, "Opinions vary." nt |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Yes, but didn't he then go and beat the crap out of everyone who disagreed with him? N.T. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
86. In response #9 I expressed my opinion, and you disagreed. Opinions vary. That's |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. Religion enshrined or established in a Constitution is always undesireable |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Which is why I'm 150% against a new constitutional convention. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
90. So true: we'd never get as good a deal. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. It's not perfect but it's the best we're gonna do. |
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War Horse (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. No, it doesn't bode well |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
18. it's what exclusionary religions founded by and for men do nt |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
25. So we send in ground troups to force a western based democracy on them?? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Yeah, we're really "forcing" them with our ground troops in Libya.... |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Im asking what the OP would recommend... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Yes, it does, but it's worth noting that that's your comment, not the OP's. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. So what is the OP point??.. any idiot knows the potential negative impact of Sharia law. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. The point is to show that this was never about liberating the Libyan people. nt |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Exactly. Western powers demanding basic human rights codified into a constitution |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Are the Libyan people not now liberated from the Gaddafi regime?? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 06:45 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. It depends upon how you define "liberation" - enacting Sharia law would not define it for me. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Let's turn this around. So you would not be in favor of Palestinian self determination if they state |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. That is not turning something around - it is pulling something shiny out as a distraction. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Tells me all I need to know about your position here. It's selective outrage. nt |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Get back to me when Israel lets the prisoners out of their cages. nt |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 07:21 AM Response to Reply #73 |
97. +1...nt |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
94. Whatever they do with Sharia law has nothing to do with being liberated from the Gaddafi regime. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
60. I would say that it's probably far easier to influence things before they're set in stone. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
93. Yes, I can agree with that but its a fine line between influencing and meddling. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 07:08 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I don't think it's a line between - I think all influence *is* meddling. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
68. The point is this is a discussion forum, one where we discuss current events among other things.. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
30. A nation cannot be a free democracy if its government is based on religion. |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
31. It is their country we have enough problems with GOP putting Christ |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Precisely why it's so damn important Libya stays away from incorporating religion into the founding |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
61. a m e n |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
38. "But that's different," or some convoluted form of it, all the way down the thread |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
69. Shooting fish in a barrel.. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 04:06 AM Response to Original message |
54. The people who have a knee-jerk reaction against this... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 04:10 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. OOPS! I forgot a category: Gaddafi propagandists |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
70. I have another category for you.. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. One more category: Those who think the Libyan people should decide, not self-appointed leaders. |
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LadyLeigh (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
85. Anti-interventionist. And true, the damge is done. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
62. Evidently our leaders are incapable of thinking before bombing. |
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renegade000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
71. so we're throwing Julian Assange under the bus right? |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. dang, context would be a beautiful thing right about now |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
76. Truth. "The only person who could think otherwise would be a heterosexual male. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
78. Wow. DU has sunk to an all time low, judging by the # of unrecs on this thread. nt |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
88. If Libya had no oil, nobody would care. Look at how much we here discuss Sharia in Niger. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #88 |
99. Niger *has* oil. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Libya is not Middle East; it's either Near East or even better, North Africa. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
89. Repukes wish Sharia Law was in our consitution. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #89 |
100. No, they don't. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. The religious right does. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #89 |
104. They want biblical law, not sharia law. |
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