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Tue Oct-25-11 07:28 AM
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Flash grenades and rubber bullets at Occupy Oakland! |
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Just reported as breaking on Democracy Now. Sourced to Mercury News.
Sounds like it's on.
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:32 AM
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1. Legal observers and media being kept blocks away. |
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Police tearing down tents and at least 70 arrested so far.
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Tue Oct-25-11 09:56 AM
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21. "Liberty" is the Republicans' favorite word |
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Except when someone disagrees with them. What a joke.
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Tue Oct-25-11 11:07 AM
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28. Do they even have GOPers in Oakland? |
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:33 AM
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2. Expect a flood of youtube videos and photos |
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should start to see reports from occupiers very soon.
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:55 AM
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10. I truly hope you're right. |
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:33 AM
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3. KPFA also just reported arrests are being made |
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They broke into regular programming for the report and said someone was on their way to cover it.
www.kpfa.org
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:39 AM
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4. LRAD sound weapon?? live video link globalrevolution |
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:44 AM
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:47 AM
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:54 AM
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9. They did it before when union workers marched at the shipping docs |
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And that was when Jerry Brown was the Mayor. It's the one thing I dislike about him.
I hope this time it backfires big time. I wish Shamar Thomas were in Oakland today.
I live in Oakland though I'm quite far from this and I work at UC Berkeley.
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:05 AM
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12. Is there a racism element at play here? |
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:20 AM
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16. I dont think so. The 1% are only interested in power. This is about who has the power. nm |
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Tue Oct-25-11 01:28 PM
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30. I don't think so. The unions are mixed races. |
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The photos I saw from the old demonstration were all white men and women with huge welts from the rubber bullets.
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:22 AM
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17. I live in LA. Just waking up with 1st cup of Joe this a.m. Thinking about |
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driving up to the Bay Area to provide reinforcements, possibly with others from Occupy Los Angeles.
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:48 AM
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Tue Oct-25-11 07:50 AM
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8. If they do not allow peaceful protest |
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then the alternative is going to be ugly. I'm not sure the government wants to go there.
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:05 AM
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11. The Authorities are trying to provoke a violent confrontation |
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do not fall for it or they will shut it down for good.
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:13 AM
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13. or the violence could escalate |
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if the movement is shut down
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Tue Oct-25-11 10:00 AM
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22. Yes, because a violent uprising of the people has failed so miserably in, say, the Middle East. |
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Tue Oct-25-11 10:24 AM
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25. Are you willing to die for your beliefs |
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or are you just a left-wing chickenhawk who will watch it on TV?
Gratuitous promotion of violence is usually done by the last people to pick up a weapon.
I call bullshit. This is not anywhere near the same situation.
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:19 AM
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15. Why not? The 1% certainly wants to "go there". The protestors are gaining popularity. |
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They need to be made to look like thugs. If there is violence then the police can use some of that military gear they have been accumulating in anticipation of just this.
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:16 AM
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14. Maybe the Pres should send in the National Guard to protect the protestors. nm |
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:25 AM
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18. Oh noes1!!! Doing so, I've been told in the case of the Troy Davis |
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Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 08:26 AM by coalition_unwilling
murder, would violate Posse Comitatus!!1!!1 (Obama admin reportedly spent a couple days thinking about what if anything could be done to stop the murder and concluded 'nothing could be done.' I advocated for Obama to order in the 101st Airborne and drew much scorn and derision.)
In case you were wondering, I agree 100% with your suggestion. Cue the authoritarians and police state advocates here in 3 ... 2 ... 1.
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Tue Oct-25-11 11:06 AM
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27. Was Posse Comitatus violated when troops were used to protect the civil rights movement? |
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Seems to me that Posse Comitatus comes and goes at the whim of the President.
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:08 PM
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33. OK, those who invoked Posse Comitatus in the matter of |
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sending in troops to stop the murder of Troy Davis tried to finesse that question by pointing out that Presidents who sent troops in to protect the civil rights movement did so to enforce court orders, whereas there was no such court order in the case of Troy Davis for Obama to enforce.
I do not accept that argument since, from my perspective, the President swears to uphold the Constitution and its core principle of the right of habeas corpus. Since there was reasonable doubt that Davis committed the crime for which he was sentenced, I felt that Obama would have been well within his rights to send in the 101st Airborne to uphold the right of habeas corpus and to stop the murder of Davis. I was met with scorn and derision then and suspect we would be now for the same reason, i.e., that Obama is powerless to use the military to ensure that the Constitution is protected. In the case of Oakland, it's the Constitutional rights of free speech and assembly that are at stake. Maybe not quite as serious as Davis' situation where his life hung in the balance, but deadly serious nonetheless.
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Tue Oct-25-11 09:28 PM
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34. Yeah, or maybe Pres Obama doesnt give a shit. nm |
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Tue Oct-25-11 09:31 PM
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35. I can't believe I was schmucked so badly in 2008. I actually |
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bought that RW line about his being a 'Community Organizer' and thought it augured well for the future. Little did I know or suspect that he would be an agent for the 1% but remain deathly silent when the 99% are on the ropes.
Oh well, won't get fooled again.
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Tue Oct-25-11 09:36 PM
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36. He was a community organizer but couldnt wait to screw Acorn. nm |
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Tue Oct-25-11 10:01 AM
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23. Nice irony, if it were to happen. But Obama do that? Not a chance. |
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Tue Oct-25-11 11:05 AM
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26. like that would happen |
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Tue Oct-25-11 11:13 AM
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29. National Guard is state-level |
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The president controls federal troops only unless an act of congress allows him to dip into state military resources.
Eisenhower sent federal troops to protect students during desegregation when state troops were sent by their governor to keep segregation in place. I don't know if that's a precedent but it is historical fact.
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:44 AM
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19. A relevant quote comes to mind |
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." - President John F. Kennedy, 1962
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Tue Oct-25-11 08:47 AM
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20. The protesters will be back. nt |
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Tue Oct-25-11 10:03 AM
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24. And msnbc in the morn reported NO VIOLENCE |
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And one pepper spray canister, probably used by protesters. Idiots, they forget these days there are more sides to story thank to you tube and other outlets.
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Tue Oct-25-11 01:56 PM
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31. Photos of police presence and aftermath: |
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Tue Oct-25-11 01:58 PM
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Waste of space, in terms of "the authorities"
Met lots of fine people from there, though
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