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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:42 PM
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The PARDON That RUINED American Law


" How Ford's treatment of Nixon launched a new era of elite immunity -- and pervasive, limitless corruption .."



:smoke:



- For the nation’s most powerful elites, the law has indeed been whittled down to “nothing more than advice or recommendation.” Although there have been episodes of unpunished elite malfeasance throughout American history, the explicit, systematic embrace of the notion that such malfeasance should be shielded from legal consequences begins with the Watergate scandal— one of the clearest cases of widespread, deliberate criminality at the highest level of the U.S. government.



By the scandal’s conclusion, few contested that not only Nixon’s top aides but Nixon himself had committed serious felonies— either in authorizing the break-in and related illegalities, or in obstructing the ensuing investigation. Nonetheless, Nixon was ultimately shielded from all legal consequences thanks to the pardon granted by his handpicked vice president, Gerald Ford— who, it was widely believed, secured his appointment by agreeing to protect Nixon from prosecution.



Ford first explained his decision to pardon Nixon in a speech to the nation on September 8, 1974. The new president began by paying lip service to the rule of law: “I deeply believe in equal justice for all Americans, what ever their station or former station. The law, whether human or divine, is no respecter of persons; but”— and here he tacked on a newly concocted amendment designed to gut that phrase’s meaning—“the law is a respecter of reality.” Ford then proceeded to recite what have by now become the standard clichés our political class uses to justify immunity.


Watergate, he intoned,







is an American tragedy in which we all have played a part. It could go on and on and on, or someone must write the end to it. I have concluded that only I can do that, and if I can, I must. . . .


The facts, as I see them, are that a former President of the United States, instead of enjoying equal treatment with any other citizen accused of violating the law, would be cruelly and excessively penalized either in preserving the presumption of his innocence or in obtaining a speedy determination of his guilt in order to repay a legal debt to society.


During this long period of delay and potential litigation, ugly passions would again be aroused. And our people would again be polarized in their opinions. And the credibility of our free institutions of government would again be challenged at home and abroad. . . .


My conscience tells me clearly and certainly that I cannot prolong the bad dreams that continue to reopen a chapter that is closed. My conscience tells me that only I, as President, have the constitutional power to firmly shut and seal this book. My conscience tells me it is my duty, not merely to proclaim domestic tranquility but to use every means that I have to insure it.


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Remarkably, Ford explicitly pointed to Nixon’s lofty status as a reason to exempt him from the accountability applied to ordinary Americans— a complete reversal and rejection of the central covenant of the American founding. Ford’s signature line—“Our long national nightmare is over”— put a heroic spin on the betrayal of the rule of law: we end the “nightmare” of high-level criminality by sweeping it under the rug, protecting the wrongdoers, and pretending their crimes never happened.



cont'


http://www.salon.com/2011/10/25/book_excerpt_with_liberty_and_justice_for_some/


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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:44 PM
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1. Tonight I'm watching the original David Frost interviews with Nixon.
Now you have me jonesing to watch them right now.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:48 PM
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3. Another great thing to watch is the 1960 Debate between Pres Kennedy
Then still jut a candidate, and Richard Nixon.

It puts every debate that has come down the pike since to absolute SHAME!




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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 07:31 AM
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56. "Even Nixon didn't sweat this much"...
My favorite line from the movie "tootsie".
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:47 PM
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2. I remember the very day this happened. I knew at that moment that our political system was bought
and above the law when it comes to crimes that impact personal rights. Burglary, wiretapping and covering up crimes appears to be OK if your are an elected federal official but not for me are anyone else.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:49 PM
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4. Kissinger saw to it that Ford was VP - and then he saw to
it that Nixon was pardoned.

And now he is on Obama's list of advisers.

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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:52 PM
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18. Kissinger is one slimy fuck I'd like to see in general population.
In a max security Turkish jail. Or maybe a Vietnamese one.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #18
69. The fact that Kissenger and Cheney and the Bushes
are viewed in this country as elder statesmen, says all we need to know about the fact that this government has been hi-jacked. And so long as it remains under the control of whoever they are, we will never stop the wars or have any kind of financial equality or become a country that is civilized, that does not have discussions about torture and where criminals like James O'Keefe get paid to undermine this democracy and are protected from being held accountable. THEY are the Brownshirts, the foot soldiers who do the dirty work, stupid, mindless, hate-filled losers who without the protection of their masters would not even be fit to clean toilets.

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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #69
72. + a gazillion plus 50 million times infinity n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #69
89. well said
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #18
77. A Cambodian prison would probably best serve the interests of
karmic justice, imo, but only after a trial and conviction before an international war crimes tribunal.
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #18
91. Or Cambidian
Or Argentina. Or even better - CHILE!

He deserves to be in Guantanamo when he told Nixon in 1970, knowing the war in Vietnam could not be "won", and set out to manipulate the peace talks because he had to win the 1972 election. And another 20,000 American died. For Richard. M. Nixon.


Kissinger on military men: "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:58 PM
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42. And now Kissinger is one of Obama's advisors -- !!!
:puke:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:00 PM
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43. What amazed me is how they worked to redeem Nixon -- and public allegedly bought it!! ?????
Of course they lied so much to the public about what actually went down in Watergate

-- just as they lied about Vietnam -- no wonder the public was confused!!

But -- anyone who still thinks this wasn't a 100% criminal enterpirse should get busy

finding out what really went on!!


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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
80. yep
i remember being in the place, where i could watch the watergate hearings live.. in the end it was not the various plots, and sub plots, the payoffs, or even the saturday night massacre that brought down Nixon... it was the fact that he cussed on tape..
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #4
64. It was w/ ford that rummy and darth
got their grubby fingerprints all over the oval office.

When ford was appointed VP, I told my husband a successful coup in DC had happened. Dumb-ya's appointment was the second coup.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:55 PM
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8. I do to, and I was beyond angry.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:43 PM
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34. I remember it too and I'm still pissed..
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:51 PM
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5. I'm so excited, I'm going to see Glenn and Noam Chomsky this weekend.
Thanks for posting this. :-)
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. I am so jealous! I do plan on catching Greenwald at his event in San Francisco.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:26 PM
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15. It's going to be filmed for C-Span, I'll wave to you :-) n/t
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. Will it be carried live? Or does it have an air date? n/t
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:41 PM
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26. I assume it will be on BookTV. If so, not live and no air date yet. n/t
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:55 PM
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27. TY. n/t
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. lol! I'll be watching!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:01 PM
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44. What C-span program? What time? Will look for it --/ I SEE THE ANSWER NOW !!
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 11:02 PM by defendandprotect
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:52 PM
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6. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Segami.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:52 PM
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7. K&R
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:56 PM
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9. Gerald Ford— who, it was widely believed....
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 01:56 PM by CanSocDem

... secured his appointment by agreeing to protect Nixon from prosecution.

We didn't have to wait for Ford's 'justification'...It was obvious from the get-go.

So when Reagans Arms for Hostages crime was revealed, nobody I knew, expected justice. As with all subsequent crimes originating in the WH.

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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #9
73. Which is why
when Ollie 'Full Military Uniform' North appeared on Phil Donahue to defend his malfeasance, I was the caller who told him he did NOT represent me nor did he represent the vast majority of US citizens.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #73
79. Thank you for that. Reminds me that I accused G. Gordon Liddy of treason when
he appeared at some sort of public appearance at the U. of Missouri-Kansas City. What a jerk and psychopath Liddy was and is.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:55 PM
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87. But both Ollie and Liddy have been substantially rewarded, haven't they?
Liddy used to have a show on radio?

And Ollie has a thriving business in protective jackets for police?

Did Ollie have a radio show, as well?


Both should have been in jail!

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #87
94. I'm a lapsed Buddhist because of shit like that (the evil being
rewarded for their perfidy, while the good suffer). I never fully bought that Buddhist line about how karma will square the circle. If it does, I foresee both Ollie and Liddy coming back as pond scum. Correction, that's an insult to pond scum which, after all, serve a valid biological function. Both of them should come back as rocks that must sit silent and listen to the winds and the ghosts of their victims whisper for eternity.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:09 PM
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98. Well, all major religions once taught reincarnation .....
wouldn't entirely dismiss it -- but the thought of 100 lives!! YIKES!!

You have to be able to live with yourself -- that's clear --

Can't see how Bush or Cheney are doing that --

Or how Obama goes to sleep at night knowing 66 million Americans are living in poverty

or that 50 million don't have health care???

We need a humanist in the White House -- let's find one!!



:)
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #98
105. Sounds like a plan. I'm game too, but it will have to be a
secular humanist for me to go all in :)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:58 PM
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11. Recommended.
Thank you for this.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:59 PM
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12. K & R !!!
:kick:
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:59 PM
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13. A well deserved rec for this
What is happening today is easily traceable to the contempt for the rule of law shown by Republicans that goes back to this act.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:07 PM
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14. Ford is burning in Hell for that pardon.
So odd to find myself in agreement with Greenwald.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. ... and that is in no way adequate.
We need to hold our elected representatives accountable for their actions in the here and now, or we will continue to see this sort of corruption and worse.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
46. Ford was also an active player in the cover up of coup on JFK ---
played an active role in distorting the autopsy info --

which delivered the farce of the "magic bullet" --

And, think about it -- after JFK coup they could not have anyone in office who

would not keep the ocver up going --

In fact, they couldn't have pulled the coup off with having LBJ in the White House!

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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:24 PM
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16. Pardons can only be applied to persons convicted!
That clarification would sap most of the venom out of this thing. No legislation needed.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:57 PM
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19. GHW Bush pardoned Cap the Knife Weinberger before trial..
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:12 PM
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20. The day after he said, "if I'm going down, I'm not going down alone."

But I'm sure that was just a coincidence.


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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. We are all coincidence theorists on DU...
Anything else gets sent to the dungeon, nothing but coincidences allowed in GD. ;)

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:41 AM
Response to Reply #24
50. "coincidence theorists"
Now that is funny! :hi: :rofl:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #24
82. Yes, yes, it's all coincidence.
However, I have come to the view over the years that there is no such thing as a MERE coincidence.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:27 PM
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21. Clearly, it set the trend for two term (R) presidents to commit felonies
and not be punished.


First Nixon and covering up a break in that was idiotic to begin with (as if McGovern had a shot at that election). He was forced to resign but was not punished any further.

Then Reagan illegally trades arms to "radical Islamics" who had kidnapped Americans. He had to give a non-apology apology and nothing else.

Next Shrub prosecutes illegal wars, tortures without mercy, violates privacy laws, etc. etc. etc.. He doesn't even apologize. He expects history to reward him.

The pattern is clear, the crimes become more extreme and the consequences become less harmful at every step.

I have no idea what the next 2 term (R) president will do to further this trend but I sincerely hope I don't live to see it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:19 PM
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47. Actually . . .
the coup on JFK couldn't have happened without having LBJ in the White House --

'and after that they had to put presidents in office who would keep the ocver up's going.

That includes Nixon and Ford -- on and on.

First Nixon and covering up a break in that was idiotic to begin with (as if McGovern had a shot at that election). He was forced to resign but was not punished any further.

Of course, McGovern had a shot at the election -- had the public actually known what had gone down

in Watergate. And remember that the field had been cleared for Nixon earlier with assassination

of RFK and attack on Wallace.

Watergate was least of all about a "break in" -- !!!

Nixon's administration was corrupt and illegal from start to finish and if you don't understand

that I'd refer you to the "Huston Plan" which was modelled on "Opeeration Northwoods" and which

was to be used to stop the '72 election if necessary!


Ford's Congressional career was funded in some part by CIA -- just as other RW Senators/Reps

were funded by CIA -- which, btw, took money from any RW source from the KKK to Nazi's!

Another RW Senator kept in place was Strom Thurmond -- there were more, but they are the only

two names I'm aware of. Sen. Jesse Helms did get some money from CIA -- and so did Pat Buchanan.

And you should also know that Nixon was first with an "October Surprise" making back channel

deals to keep the VN peace negotiations from going forward -- promising that they'd get a better

deal if he were president! LBJ had stopped the bombing to give Humphrey a better chance at the

presidency and allowing the peace hearings to actually take place. They didn't!

This is treason, of course -- !!


Before this happened ...

Then Reagan illegally trades arms to "radical Islamics" who had kidnapped Americans. He had to give a non-apology apology and nothing else.

Reagan's team -- GHW Bush, Casey and Gages -- perhaps others -- were primary players in the

"October Surprise" to keep the prisoners from being released to Carter.


Agree with all of this, however ...

Next Shrub prosecutes illegal wars, tortures without mercy, violates privacy laws, etc. etc. etc.. He doesn't even apologize. He expects history to reward him.

The pattern is clear, the crimes become more extreme and the consequences become less harmful at every step.


But W also got into office by stealing an election -- !!

And, Dems have done absolutely nothing about standing up to the steals or changing anything

else to do with these steals -- from computers to IRV voting!!

Does that seem normal to you?


Nixon administration was as corrupt as they come -- and it is also now becoming clearer that

the plumbers may have had something to do with framing Ted Kennedy at Chappaquiddick --








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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #47
90. I agree with everything you have said
Except IRV (voting). I'm not sure where you stand on that, but IRV is a great way to prevent the spoiler effect of third and fourth parties. It is actually a good thing.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #90
102. Thank you -- and agree re IRV ....
I'm for it !!

Presume you figured out I mean Gates as a primary player in October Surprise?

and that the "Treason" I referred to was Nixon's --



Glad we agree --- :hi:

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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #47
96. you lost me at "the coup on JFK"

you honestly believe LBJ had him killed?


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #96
103. What do you know of LBJ? Did you consider him an honest man?
but if you change your mind, here's the link to what I said previously --

maybe you might want to actually read it?



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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #47
99. Great post, there, Defend and Protect. Wish everyone on DU
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 04:10 PM by truedelphi
Would see it and read it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #99
104. I know MANY could do it as well or better ---
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 04:17 PM by defendandprotect
but thank you -- usually doing these things in a rush and saying as much as

I can -- as I come upon them --





:hi:

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #21
97. One thing that has been mentioned over the years is that Nixon
Was thinking that perhaps the Dems were planning an October surprise that included releasing the real truth behind the Kennedy assassination.

And that is what the Watergate burglars would have looked for, had the security patrol man not found them out..

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #97
106. I've also certainly head that .... but can't really remember
who was suggesting it -- think it's probably correct --

Dems in Congress did try to a brief time to investigate and made some inroads --

including re CIA/Frank Church Committee; records of which I understand still haven't

been released?

But every time the Dems got started there was obvious strong powers against them --

though the public very much supported these investigations.

Frank Church was targeted by CIA after his hearings and was soon out of Congress --


it seems to be there is astonishing witness testimony to Oswald's being CIA -- not

only from payroll people at CIA and other employees, but from Tunnheim Panel which

ran the 1992 JFK Classified Records Act -- and they concluded ...

"OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND

PROBABLY ALSO FOR THE FBI" ---

Journalists had immediately asked for Oswald's W-2 forms/IRS records -- presume the

Tunnheim Panel saw them, finally.



Also many think that stolen elections began in 2000 -- but actually the voting computers

came in during late 1960's -- so I'd question every election back to Nixon/Humphrey.

And LARGE computers came in during mid-1960's used by MSM which gave them new powers to

predict and call elections -- what we saw in 2000 was a REVERSAL of those new powers in

recall of Florida from Gore!

Two journalists in Florida began to investigate the odd results reported by the computers --

and realized they were unverifiable. This was late 1960's -- and they contracted for a book

-- VOTESCAM -- THE STEALING OF AMERICA -- which was removed from bookstore shelves right after

delivery!

These two journalists went to DNC at Watergate to see Larry O'Brien and report this info re

computers to him -- but he was away so info had to be left for him.

Imagine if we had known about the computers at that time?



I think some of the info I read re Larry O'Brien was that he had some photo evidence, at the

least? Maybe some day we'll have more info on all of this -- but we certainly have a lot of it!!


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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:30 PM
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25. If I had to stick a date on it
That would be it.
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:08 PM
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28. I'm gonna get flamed for this
but I disagree. I mean, that's ridiculous. Do you really think an American president would be escorted to prison in handcuffs? That's a silly leftist wet dream.

Nixon having to leave the White House in disgrace was a life sentence for him. That's all that needed to be done. Watergate was silly and pointless. He was thrown out of office for goofiness.

Same with Clinton. Letting him lie to the American people before dropping the cum bomb on him was enough. He was humiliated. Going forward with the impeachment proceedings only made the GOP look like phonies and brought people back to Clinton's side.

The real crimes are what American presidents have done to the third world (massacres, starvation, generations living in poverty and despair with no hope)and those crimes will never be punished.

No, what ruined American law was Democrats acting like Republicans to score cash for their election war chests.

Occupy!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:55 PM
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35. It's not a leftist dream. It was the American Dream at some point.
If the nation is expected to live up to its ideals, then an attempt at serving justice must be made in all sincerity. For the record, I believe the pardoning and the exploitation of Latin America, Africa, and Asia both fall on the same score as far as trying to aspire to a loftier standard. Sure, perjury by Clinton is a crime in itself, but breaking and entering, burglary are worse crimes. Nixon should've served time as well as anybody else proven guilty of the same felonies.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:56 PM
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40. The Founders referred to conspiracy by President and VP ... and in that event ....
they suggested that the administration should be SUSPENDED!!

Cheney/W would have been exactly the duo to subject to such treatment!


Meanwhile, do you seriously think that they recommended IMPEACHMENT and

SUSPENSION of an administration -- and advised that we "protect against

all enemies - domestic and foreign" -- but wouldn't send a president to jail?

How in your mind does a president become above the law?


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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:10 PM
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100. When did they discuss this? Was this in the Constitutional Convention?
That sounds interesting. I know Madison's notes are online in several places. Do you know who or where they actually discussed this? Any help would be appreciated.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:31 PM
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107. OK -- a friend sent me the info ... here's what I have on it --
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 04:53 PM by defendandprotect
From Judiciary In '74-

"If The President Be Connected In Any
Suspicious Manner With Any Person..."

The following is from a report written and released by
the Judiciary Committee in 1974 in the aftermath of the Watergate
crisis.

In the (Constitutional) convention George Mason argued that the
President might use his pardoning power to "pardon crimes which were advised
by himself" or, before indictment or conviction, "to stop inquiry and
prevent detection." James Madisonresponded:

If the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any
person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of
Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty...

....................

Madison went on to say contrary to his position in the Philadelphia
convention, that the President could be suspended when suspected, and his
powers would devolve on the Vice President, who could likewise be
suspended until impeached and convicted, if he were also suspected.




Adn in regard to Nixon/Ford think they probably guessed right re pardons!!



:hi:


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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 07:34 AM
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57. You weren't alive when that happened, were you? nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #28
63. Silly.
Having a once-powerful Attorney General convicted for serious felonies, and then incarcerated, was just a foolish left-wing wet dream, too, eh? Get a grip on reality, and pull yourself up.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:33 PM
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29. Awsome Post...as someone who lived through Nixon Pardon and said..."This is against RULE OF LAW!"
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 07:34 PM by KoKo
and CONSTITUTION...that a Sitting President committed a CRIMINAL ACT and WALKS!

After Nixon's Pardon...America started to FALL APART! Folks knew if their PRESIDENT could GET OFF...then SO COULD THEY...and it set a MARK. After that look at the years of Savings and Loan Failures, Walll Street and Military Corruption without ANY Accountability and the rest as our Government became more and more SECRETIVE and started to do even more Relaxing of Regulation of our LAWS!

I could go on ...but, folks here know what's happened since Nixon and before him the Kennedy, King Assassinations.

THE TRAIL OF CORRUPTION...it goes BACK TO NIXON AND HIS CRONIES... And, every President SINCE...has managed to have their own tales of illegalities including our Democratic Presidents.

You could do what you wanted and would ALWAYS BE IMMUNE from PROSECUTION!

This ISN't WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT! THE KING GETS OFF...and FUCK THE PEOPLE!

(yeah...full caps...but this is something that needed to be said...and it's a bottled up vent from someone who lived through Nixon...and still has rage because "HE GOT OFF!"...and caused SORROW FOR ALL OUR CITIZENS)
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 06:24 AM
Response to Reply #29
54. PLUS ONE!
I'm with KoKo.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #29
74. Sorrow,
shame, embarrassment, disgust, and anger...

I'm sure I could name quite a few other responses, but I'm just sick to my stomach thinking about all of these dishonest hedonists who've 'led' our country lo these past fifty years.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:07 PM
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30. Ford's statement "we all have played a part" makes my blood boil, just as it did back then.
Total BS. Trudeau said it best: "Guilty, guilty, guilty." Nixon should have gone to jail.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:05 AM
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60. He also said he made no pardon / immunity deal to become VP - I call bullshit on that one too. n/t
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:38 PM
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31. He's responsible for wrecking health care, too.
Thank Nixon for the corporate HMO system.
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:41 PM
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32. K & R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:45 PM
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36. Ford was just another RW coup --!! Ford's career was funded by CIA .....
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:45 PM by defendandprotect
at least in some part -- keeping RW in power in Congress --

and CIA took money from any RW sources -- from the KKK to Nazi's --


CIA also supported other RW Senators/Reps in Congress but the only other name

I'm aware of was Sen. Strom Thurmond --

Iow's the CIA did here in America what they did all over the world -- they kept

RW governments in place -- funding them and presumably helping to rig elections.


You don't have secret intelligence operating in a nation and a national security

state and then also think you have rule of law or Justice in operation!!

Ain't happenin' -- !!

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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:10 AM
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61. How can you say that about such an esteemed member of the Warren Commission?
Oh...wait. :evilfrown:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #61
81. Amazing what people don't know ... isn't it !!!
:hi:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:46 PM
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37. Flame me if you want but Gerry Ford put the nation ...
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:50 PM by Botany
.... in front of his political future w/ the Nixon pardon. Yes, I have no doubt that there was a deal to
keep Nixon out of the court system in 1974 before he resigned but even though Gerry Ford was a career
conservative western Michigan republican (now he would be seen as liberal and would be chased from the party) ....
.... see Pete Hoekstra ..... he gave Nixon the pardon because after he became President Watergate and
Nixon's actions as President was taking up over 50% of his time being President and he thought it was in the
nation's best interest to put it to bed.

Ugly yes .... bad taste in the people's mouths yes ....... but did it help the nation as a whole maybe


BTW I think Nixon was no good piece of crap and his and Kissinger's actions in Chile and in S.E. asia were
criminal.




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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Ford, like Nixon, was a RW'er who went as far as he could at the time --- and the PARDON
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:53 PM by defendandprotect
was pretty damned far!!

Ford was also kept in Congress like other RW Senators/Reps with help from the

CIA $$$ --- which took money from any RW source -- from KKK to Nazi's.


We also have Ford to thank for the biggest lie in the Warren Commission Report --

It was Ford who worked to move the would in JFK's back up from near his right shoulder

blade to the neck area.

Thereby -- an entry wound in the front of the neck which the autopsy showed to have

NO OUTLET -- and a wound in the rear of the president's back at the level of his right

wing shoulder blade which the autopsy also showed had NO OUTLET --

became the "magic bullet" BS -- !!


The press knew the truth -- and they were either too intimidated or already under control

of CIA/Mockingbird and RW wealthy -- or both.


We did have a few courageous Dems in Congress begin a few investigations, including of the

CIA -- but they were quickly targeted by GOP's radicalized NRA and moved out of Congress.


No -- Ford was simply another part of the power steel and shift made possible by the

RW assassination of Pres. John Kennedy which also took our people's government!



And, of course, Nixon was hired by Prescott Bush and other RW Repug elites to do their bidding

as they moved him up the ladder to the presidency. Nixon made the deal for $50,000 per year

over his Congressional salary.


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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:54 PM
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39. "Impeachment is off the table" rings a bell, too:
Hell, we didn't even get a phony "investigation." Clinton got the screws put to him; GWB skates.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:20 PM
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48. +1000% -- kr
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #48
53. +1001% n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:57 PM
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41. Nixon was a corrupt piece of crap
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:58 PM by Rex
A turd like Reagan and Cheney. They fucked this country up somewhat wicked. Fuck them and all their followers.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:55 AM
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51. And fuck their apologists.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #51
88. +1
...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 03:32 PM
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95. Yes!
There is NO EXCUSE for the way Nixon and Reagan behaved while in office. They were DIRTY FUCKERS that turned out to be the worst kind of evil.

"But, but Nixon went to China", yeah and to bad he came back.

"But Reagan had mental issues', THEN WHY THE FUCK WAS HE POTUS!?!?!

Cheney...no one can come up with anything nice to say about Fuckwad.

Jus...FUCK CHENEY!


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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:02 PM
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45. Political pardons of the rich and well-placed
The first ones I can think of were for the Whiskey Rebellion, Washington and Adams doing the pardoning.

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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:25 AM
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49. I would agree with this. It started the "look forward, not
backward" precedent.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 05:44 AM
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52. I've been saying this for years.
Ford refused to consider the great good that would come out of prosecuting Nixon--that Nixon's conviction and incarceration would demonstrate to the American people and to the world that we really truly believed "no one is above the law." Since then, who in America has had the nerve to lie to schoolchildren and tell them "no one is above the law?" Whenever the rich and powerful got away with it before that, we could argue it was a mistake, a fluke. But in this case, it was condoned at the highest level.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 07:30 AM
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55. which gave rise to the over used catch phrase, "America couldn't survive, blah blah blah..."
fill in your own bullshit phrase.

It's more like, "American politicians couldn't survive".
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 07:55 AM
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58. Repackaged today as "Toobig to fail."
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:02 AM
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59. Yup. nt
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jobendorfer Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:27 AM
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62. The failure extends far beyond just Nixon himself
Nixon was "just" the boss man for a campaign / party apparatus that consisted of dozens, if not hundreds of operatives who used all manner and variety of illegal dirty tricks in the 1972 campaign. The wiretapping of the Democratic National Committee was just a drop in the bucket.

The failure was that of Gerald Ford and the Democrats in Congress at that time to see a thorough house-cleaning that took apart the crooked aspects of the Republican campaign machine. Many of the junior operatives from the 1972 campaign went on to bigger and better things with Reagan, Bush the Smarter, and Bush the Dumber.
Karl Rove was one of them.

*That* is one of the failure that has haunted us, over and over again.
There are others: the failure to understand that the media will *never* be friendly to liberal interests, so we have to roll our own; the failure to show up Chicago School economics for the farce that it is; among others.


J.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 09:02 AM
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65. In this case they are right - lack of punishment means the lack of
a deterrent. If he had paid for his crime we would not be in the mess we are now in.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 09:33 AM
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66. Yeah, because the elite weren't avoiding responsibility before 1974...
Ford made the right decision, IMO. The backlash from a Nixon punishment would have made 1980 look like a walk in the park.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 09:42 AM
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67. Political loftiness in society is an impediment to justice, ergo the lofty have legal immunity
Simple enough to know it must be wrong--you'd think, but, back then like now, we live in a top-down world of take what you can commanders and take what you get obeisance...rather like monarchic France except lots of princes instead of one royal family.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 09:55 AM
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68. VIDEO: Ford Pardons Nixon - September 8, 1974
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM9dGr8ArR0

Ford's "to do what is right as God gives me to see what is right" is worse than ignorant recourse when all logic failed, it grants final judgment to delusion, waiving adherence to reason and logic. This frightening quote from the leader makes clear we only pretended to have a secular democracy already back then, that democracy was already effectively shrugged off.

Gerald Ford Testimony on the Pardon of Richard ...

-- 10 min x 13 videos playlist here = PLAY ALL capable --
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D32B6E7701687997

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:33 AM
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70. I profoundly regret buying into the whole Nixon pardon thing, thinking
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 10:33 AM by kestrel91316
it really was good for the country to move on. I've learned my lesson.

Disclaimer: I was 17 in 1974, so youthful ignorance was a factor.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:03 AM
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71. Back then, we were told “ Our long National Nightmare was Over " and with that con,
Nixon was pardoned.Today, the operative con phrase is " looking forward ". The cycle just keeps reinventing itself and by the time we blink, all that we love and cherish will be lost.



HuffingtonPost February 9th, 2009:



During tonight's presidential news conference, HuffPost White House correspondent Sam Stein asked President Barack Obama about a proposed congressional 'truth commission' into the Bush administration's conduct.






STEIN: Thank you, Mr. President. Today, Senator Patrick Leahy announced that he wants to set up a truth and reconciliation committee to investigate the misdeeds of the Bush administration. He said that, before you turn the page, you have to read the page first.


Do you agree with such a proposal? And are you willing to rule out right here and now any prosecution of Bush administration officials?


OBAMA: I haven't seen the proposals, so I don't want to express an opinion on something that I haven't seen.

What I have said is that my administration is going to operate in a way that leaves no doubt that we do not torture, that we abide by the Geneva Conventions, and that we observe our traditions of rule of law and due process, as we are vigorously going after terrorists that can do us harm. And I don't think those are contradictory; I think they are potentially complementary.


My view is also that nobody's above the law and, if there are clear instances of wrongdoing, that people should be prosecuted just like any ordinary citizen.


But that, generally speaking, I'm more interested in looking forward than I am in looking backwards. I want to pull everybody together, including, by the way, the -- all the members of the intelligence community who have done things the right way and have been working hard to protect America and I think sometimes are painted with a broad brush without adequate information.


So I will take a look at Senator Leahy's proposal, but my general orientation is to say let's get it right moving forward.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/09/obama-on-investigating-bu_n_165455.html






.


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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #71
75. hmph!
"...let's get it right moving forward"?!?! I guess we can lump Obama in with all the other mendacious and malevolent 'leaders' we've had to tolerate over the last fifty years...
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:48 AM
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76. " Moving Forward " is code for ' you watch my back and I'll watch yours '.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #71
83. Amazing the "good guy" RW propaganda which surrounded Ford -- !!!
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 12:34 PM by defendandprotect
and have the devil himself -- Nixon -- could have continued on so long after the Ike/

slush fund event -- and be held innocent where in fact he was responsible for much of

the wrong footing the nation had been put on way back to HUAC --- that's a bed of snakes

still not overturned!


How many even now know that Nixon was hired by Prescott Bush and demanded $50,000 a year

over his Congressional salary to do their dirty work for the RW elites?

Certainly RW assassinations cleared the way for him -- !!

And not only took our president and liberal leadership but took our people's government.


Even still today, notice that here in America we have no liberal leadership which is taken

before it even has a chance to rise --

and in Great Britain they are noticing the same thing about their country!



For too long we've been complacent about RW propaganda -- our Goebbels' style press tosses

it out every day as does the GOP -- but it works as it always has!

And we have a Dem Party which mainly remains SILENT!

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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:41 PM
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85. " If you Repeat a LIE often enough, it becomes "......ding, ding, ding, now you may eat!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 02:23 PM
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92. "Catapulting the propaganda" 24/7 -- !! :)
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Tom Ripley Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:54 AM
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78. I was disgusted at all the accolades heaped upon Jerry The Errrand Boy
at the time of his death. He should have died in prison.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:51 PM
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86. +1000% ----
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 12:53 PM by defendandprotect
and makes clear how much they needed the presidency to keep the cover ups going --

beginning with LBJ -- couldn't have been done without him.

Press also knew -- as Congress did -- what the autopsy report said --

Neck wound was a wound of entry -- NO OUTLET according to official sutopsy

Wound in JFK's back was at level of his shoulder blade -- NO OUTLET according to official autopsy --

and the back wound was made at a 45 degree DOWNWARD ANGLE!!


Anyone who looked at the autopsy report could clearly see that the "magic bullet" was impossible.

Yet, Arlen Specter made Senator -- and was permitted to stay for decades!

He didn't create the theory but he was chosen to move it forward.


What has happened in America is the same thing that our government/CIA and elites have done

all over the world -- kept RW government/officials in place -- while stealing electiosn and

buying officials in order to take over nations.



:hi:



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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:41 PM
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84. I remember when Ford died...
and the M$M were making all happy about the pardon being proven by history to be a good thing in the long run:eyes:

I said it at the time and I will say it again, it was wrong wrong wrong. Now I liked Ford, but he was bamboozled and misguided. And what really blows chunks is that many of the neocons in the GOP now, got their start under Nixon. Nothing was learned and we have a new generation of thugs getting their start under GWBII and we did not even bother to investigate. Sam Irvin and Leon Jaworski must be spinning in their graves.

I never though we were enduring a nightmare...I thought the system was working beautifully during the whole Watergate Affair. I had confidence in our 3 branches of government. Now I have none!
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 03:05 PM
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93. An excellent OP
Very appropriate to what is happening with politicians and the rich.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:12 PM
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101. ....
Thanks
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MerryBlooms Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:32 PM
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108. Excellent reminder, thanks. n/t
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