Mayor Villaraigosa: Occupy L.A. 'cannot continue indefinitely'

[cal04]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/occupy-la-mayor-antonio-villaraigosa.html

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said Wednesday that the Occupy Los Angeles encampment outside City Hall "cannot continue indefinitely" and has asked city officials to draft restrictions limiting when people are allowed on city property.

"I respect the protesters' right to peacefully assemble and express their views," Villaraigosa said. "City officials have been in a continuous and open dialogue with the organizers of Occupy L.A. However, the protesters must respect city laws and regulations, and while they have been allowed to camp on City Hall lawns, that cannot continue indefinitely."

(snip)
Meanwhile, about a dozen protesters showed up at Wednesday’s City Council meeting to ask lawmakers to allow them to stay. Protester Alex Everett, 26, said he came because he was alarmed by Councilman Bill Rosendahl’s comments to KABC that it was time for protesters “to move on.”

Everett, who moved out of his house and into a tent outside of City Hall two weeks ago, said he thinks many protesters would not leave without a fight. He said if police move in to clear out the protest, like Oakland police did Tuesday, “it will be violent.”

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. Fuck the cities. Get some clear land, have an Amish barn-raising, and COMMUNE.

[occupyeverywhere]

24. I'm some what in agreement with you.

How about some people donating some private land within these cities and then direct actions EVERY day.

[slackmaster]

39. Clear land anywhere near Los Angeles?

Sorry, but that's just funny.

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. And I've been wondering when the LAPD and horrible Sheriffs would finally get to use their iron fist

and consider it an absolute miracle that they had not done so thus far!

[TBF]

3. Looks like a nation-wide effort to me... is New York next? nt

[badtoworse]

38. In another month, night time temperatures in NY will drop into the low 30's...

and we will start to get snow. In December, teens and 20's. Living in a park with little or no shelter under those conditions will suck out loud. Numbers will dwindle to the point where Zucotti Park will be cleared out with little fanfare or violence.

[PoliticAverse]

4. Villaraigosa is a Democrat...

"Before being elected to public office, Villaraigosa was a labor organizer. Villaraigosa served as a national co-chairman of Hillary Rodham Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign and as a member of President Barack Obama's Transition Economic Advisory Board."

(From;: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Villaraigosa )

[villager]

9. ...and we've seen how much good "Democrats" have done us, in recent years!

n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

15. Yeah, but when 500,000 Latinos marched down Wilshire Blvd. on

May 1, 2005 to protest against anti-immigrant measures, Antonio hid his skanky ass 24 floors below ground level in some sort of LAPD emergency center. What a chickenshit.

[frylock]

25. yes. yes he is..

speaks volumes about the party, no?

[yurbud]

44. and now he is in the pocket of real estate developers and public school privatizers

[KansDem]

5. I agree, so...

1) Stop the wars;
2) Tax the rich;
3) Eliminate "personhood" for corporations;
4) Make corporations pay taxes;
5) Eliminate subsidies for oil companies;
6) Arrest Bush, Cheney, and their ilk and put them on trial;
7) End electronic voting;
8) Nationalize energy;
9) Institute single-payer health care;
10) Penalize corporations for moving jobs overseas;
11) Make banks and brokers pay back TARP and use those funds to eliminate student-loan debt...

That should end the "occupation." Anything else?

[JBoy]

6. Exact same thing is happening in Vancouver BC

Trial balloons being sent up along the lines of "this can't continue indefinitely".

Advantage here is we have municipal elections Nov 19th - unlikely that any crackdown will occur before then.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Hmmm....so city laws and regulations now trump the Constitution?

The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

[NICO9000]

11. Forget states rights - cities rights trump the US Constitution now

:sarcasm:

[RB TexLa]

20. No, but no cities are able to regulate assemblies of people

If I am giving a concert or speech and the fire marshal's office says I can only allow 500 people in the building are they trumping the constitution? If I have 400 people who want to march down Main street for five days in a row and they only give us a permit to block off the street and march down it one day and arrest us the next day when we stop traffic by marching have they trumped the constitution?

Free speech and free assembly are not guarantees to any group of people to assemble anywhere they wish for whatever time they wish.

[hack89]

21. There are plenty of laws that restrict Constitutional rights - look no further than gun control laws...

nt

[The Doctor.]

27. I see you've had your 'territory' expanded.

It'll be a lot more difficult to stump here than in the dungeon. Good luck though!

[hack89]

36. An a la carte Constitution is popular at DU

so I suspect you will be right.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Enough said:

The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

[hack89]

35. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

every constitutional right you have is bounded by laws. To deny that is to deny reality.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Enough said:

The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

[hack89]

41. So you advocate the repeal of local gun control laws? Cool. nt

[TheKentuckian]

46. That is correct, at least speaking for myself.

Many of them entirely cross the line, rendering the right effectively moot.

[shanti]

8. wanna bet, tony?

apparently, he forgets where he came from! :(

[doublethink]

10. Easiest response I have ever had to do on DU ...

Laws control the lesser man. Right conduct controls the greater one. ~Chinese Proverb


Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. ~Albert Einstein


When leaders act contrary to conscience, we must act contrary to leaders. ~Veterans Fast for Life


It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. ~Voltaire


If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849


You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it. ~Malcolm X


Human history begins with man's act of disobedience which is at the very same time the beginning of his freedom and development of his reason. ~Erich Fromm, Psychoanalysis and Religion


Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain


Integrity has no need of rules. ~Albert Camus


If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. ~Louis D. Brandeis


Laws are only words written on paper, words that change on society's whim and are interpreted differently daily by politicians, lawyers, judges, and policemen. Anyone who believes that all laws should always be obeyed would have made a fine slave catcher. Anyone who believes that all laws are applied equally, despite race, religion, or economic status, is a fool. ~John J. Miller, And Hope to Die


Disobedience, the rarest and most courageous of the virtues, is seldom distinguished from neglect, the laziest and commonest of the vices. ~George Bernard Shaw, Maxims for Revolutionists


Every actual state is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson


We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." ~Martin Luther King, Jr., "Letter from Birmingham Jail," Why We Can't Wait, 1963


We cannot, by total reliance on law, escape the duty to judge right and wrong.... There are good laws and there are occasionally bad laws, and it conforms to the highest traditions of a free society to offer resistance to bad laws, and to disobey them. ~Alexander Bickel


It is necessary to distinguish between the virtue and the vice of obedience. ~Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays, 1911


I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not so desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. ~Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience, 1849


As long as the world shall last there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever. ~Clarence Darrow


It is not what a lawyer tells me I may do; but what humanity, reason, and justice tell me I ought to do. ~Edmund Burke, Second Speech on Conciliation, 1775


I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress


Ordinarily, a person leaving a courtroom with a conviction behind him would wear a somber face. But I left with a smile. I knew that I was a convicted criminal, but I was proud of my crime. ~Martin Luther King, Jr., March 22, 1956


If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. ~Bishop Desmond Tutu


It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support. If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man's shoulders. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobedience

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. Brilliant, you could do a new thread with that!

[msongs]

12. he cheated on his wife. tells u what u need to know about his values system lol nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. His wife gave him her name. She should make him go back to being Tony Villar. n/t

[JVS]

13. He might want to STFU for a while, at least until it doesn't seem like occupy protests...

are about to turn into days of rage.

[workinclasszero]

14. "cannot continue indefinitely"

IOW, your constitutional rights to free speech and assembly "cannot continue indefinitely". Thats a warning folks.

The fascists are coming...get ready.

[Better Believe It]

16. And if the current laws don't curb civil liberties enough, new ones will be drafted!

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Go on, throw more gas on this fire

:thumbsup:

Nope, they ain't getting it

[coalition_unwilling]

19. I'll be working my ass off to defeat Villaraigosa for this bullshit. As though

he and his toadies have any more legitimacy than the Occupiers camped outside his offices. What horseshit. Rosendahl is a douche westside cadillac liberal who wouldn't know the working class if it put his sorry, washed up ass on the guillotine. (Rosehndahl is my City Councilperson. Ask the artists along Venice Beach boardwalk what they think of Rosendahl and you'll get an earful, I promise you.)

The only thing these assholes have left is the steel fist of the security services. They have lost legitimacy in the eys of the people.

[frylock]

22. think again, asshole

[flamingdem]

23. Ut oh. He played nice for a while nt

[coalition_unwilling]

26. Who? Villaraigosa or Rosendahl? As far as I'm concerned, they're

both quickly aligning themselves with enemies of the people. Not a good place for them to be, imho.

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. I don't really think that's up to you Tony. n/t

[riderinthestorm]

29. That's what they said in Egypt, and Tunisia and Wall Street and....

good luck with trying to silence us now. The people have finally gotten a chance to be heard. And we like it.




(where's a nyah-nyah-tongue-sticking-out emoticon when you need it....!)

[Matariki]

31. There are LOTS of things that 'cannot continue indefinitely'

like the massive shift of resources to a very small number of people.

[Poll_Blind]

33. You took the words right out of my mouth, Matariki. nt

PB

[Fumesucker]

34. Translation: I got mine, fuck you.. n/t

[mmonk]

37. Corporatism cannot continue indefinitely.

[Initech]

42. Ok mayor, why don't we take Occupy:LA and head south to Anaheim?

Can anyone say Occupy: Disneyland? :evilgrin:

[and-justice-for-all]

43. Uh, tell that to the Constitution asshole...

that trumps city ordinance. "I respect the protesters' right to peacefully assemble and express their views," Then shut the fuck up!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

45. I thought this was a free country

I must be mitaken?