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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:26 PM
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Chelsea Clinton Being WOOED TO RUN In NY-18th District

Credit: newrochelletalk

Chelsea Clinton considering House seat.


The Politico had reported that it appeared Chelsea Clinton was preparing to enter the life of politics on Oct. 7th. Today, The Talk of the Sound is reporting that she's considering running in NY-18, which is Westchester County.




Talk of the Sound has learned that Chelsea Clinton may run for Congress next year.

Clinton has been approached by "the right people" in the New York Democratic Party, according to one source in Albany. While no decision has been made, Clinton is said to be "actively considering" a Congressional run from New York State in 2012.

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Bill and Hillary Clinton have owned a home in New York's 19th Congressional District since 1999. The 19th is a swing district that went for Republican Nan Hayworth in 2010. The 18th District on the other hand is solidly Democratic. Barack Obama won the district in 2008 by 62% to 38%, John Kerry won in 2004 by 58% to 42%. Al Gore won the district 58% to 39%.

One senior Democrat, a former elected official in New York, told Talk of the Sound that Democrats involved in the discussions are excited, seeing Chelsea Clinton as an "automatic win" for the Democrats in 2012.

The house seat from the New York 18th District is currently held by U.S. Representative Nita M. Lowey (D-NY). She will be 74 next year and is widely expected to retire from Congress in 2012.


http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/chelsea-clinton-mulls-congressional-run-new-york-state-18th-district-westchester-county-cons





That's an interesting choice. She's asking to be thrown into a hellish political environment, but she appears headed for politics. It's a district she could win. You can only imagine the pitchforks that will be wielded against her by the right once she enters the political arena.


http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/chelsea-clinton-being-wooed-run-ny-18th


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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:27 PM
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1. Isn't she a hedge fund manager? Is there more money in politics for her? nt
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:30 PM
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2. Maybe it's not about the money for her...
:shrug:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:33 PM
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4. then why is she a hedge fund manager if it's not about the money?
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 01:36 AM
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28. Yeah she went to work on a hedge fund because of her
long years of experience and years of success in managing other people's investment portfolios.

Or maybe some hedge fund gave her buckets of money to take advantage of her famous name.

Who's to say?
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:01 AM
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39. Name recognition and golden Rolodex
It's about the money for somebody, particularly for whoever hired her.

She has connections and just about anyone will take her call because they know who she is and who she's connected to.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:34 PM
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6. One doesn't go to work at a hedge fund if it wasn't about the money.
It's ALWAYS about the money.

ALWAYS.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:15 PM
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17. For both of you: I get it. It's about the money.
She's used to money. This time, this race, might be about something else...

Maybe it's about power, or influence, or something else.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:30 PM
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3. I imagine one could make money win or lose in politics. n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 01:43 AM
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29. Maybe she has been bought -- like everybody else in Congress
(with very few exceptions).

I wonder where she stands on issues.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:53 AM
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46. my first thought too.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:34 PM
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5. Being a hedge fund manager & being married to a former Goldman-Sachs banker = WTF? qualifications
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 10:38 PM by ClarkUSA
Chelsea went to work for a hedge fund right out of university. What does that say about her? Her whole adult life has been predicated on hanging with the 0.1%. Ditto for her husband.

This is no better than having Jeb Bush's son (George Bush III?) run for office in a safely Republican district just because some of Jeb's buddies "want" him to, despite his total lack of achievement in public service other than campaigning for his family.

I'll bet there are dozens of more qualified Democrats who have put in the time that could easily win NY-18. I say this as a New Yorker.
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:38 PM
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24. The same thing could have been said about the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008.
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 11:40 PM by Axrendale
As for the fact that she has an elite background, who cares? Most of the great Democratic figures of the modern era had their paths to glory paved by backgrounds in the elite and/or seedy financial dealings (see: the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, Lyndon Johnson).

Chelsea's smart as a whip, has a glittering pedigree, a charming public persona, and if she ever chooses to follow her parents into politics (there's no indication at the moment that she has) has the potential to become a star.

Our party could use some more stars at the moment - so many of the current ones are looking so faded.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 01:36 AM
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27. Huh? WTF are you referring to?
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 01:42 AM by ClarkUSA
As for Chelsea being "smart as a whip" how would you know? She didn't stand out at Stanford intellectually and has had no publicly discernable intellectual achievements since graduating. Of her generation, I could name far too many who have accomplished more who came from far less privileged backgrounds.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:54 AM
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38. Right.
Valid point, although I think the claim that "the same thing" could have been said in 2008 is even more limp.
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:13 AM
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61. See reply#60
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:12 AM
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60. If I may quote you, you described her as having "WTF qualifications" and asserted (quite accurately)
that there are multiple other hypotheticals with far more "experience" who have "put in their time".

My observation arose out of simply this: that all of the above could have been said with complete accuracy about Barack Obama's decision to pursue the nomination for the presidency in 2008. This is not necessarily to criticize Obama, simply to state a fact: namely that of the eight or so candidates who were considered to be 'serious', he was by almost any standard the one with the least 'experience', and could not point to anything particularly substantive in the way of 'qualifications' for running for the presidency (his background could be more or less summed up as an impressive but undistinguished academic career, a record as a community organizer that was laudable but again undistinguished, and a political career largely devoid of major accomplishment). His candidacy was driven not by his experience or his record of having "put in the time" for his party, but by the fact that he had managed to achieve a degree of celebrity and that influential Democratic insiders like Harry Reid were leery at the prospect of the Clintons returning to the White House, and were thus eager to encourage (from behind the scenes) challengers to Hillary's percieved lock on the nomination. That, plus an explosion of organic popular enthusiasm that few could have predicted, abetted by one of the slickest fundraising operations in political history, was all it took to put him in the White House.

Is there a point to noting all this (other than to remedy your evident confusion at what I was refering to in regards to the 2008 election)? If any, it is to affirm the foolishness of seeking to apply any qualifications to public office in our political system other than the only two that really matter: wanting it and having the means to pursue it. What the implications of this are for performance in public office is another question entirely, in regards to which it might suffice to say that American political history is rife with individuals of distinguished careers who commanded respect, and yet would ultimately perform as mediocrities or worse when they entered public office. Less numerous but just as notable are the supposed lightweights who turned out far better than anyone had ever expected.

While it seems fairly plain that this entire thread is based on little more than a hypothetical (as contrary to the first post, Chelsea Clinton does not seem to be running for Congress yet), we might as well end on a note regarding her. Your denigration of her academic career notwithstanding, by all accounts she was an excellent student at Stanford, Oxford, and Columbia, and as has been noted (see post #16) is currently pursuing doctoral studies at NYU. That is somewhat incidental however to what is really up for discussion: whether she would do well entering into politics and public office. That is a question that is impossible to answer unless she should actually do so one day, but some things can be noted: she's already had more exposure to the world of politics than most people will have in their entire lives, and by the accounts of almost all who have known her is a charming, personable woman who intellectually is every bit as sharp as her parents. While some might choose to hold her background against her, were she ever to get into politics it would likely be a plus.

I'll close by noting that your denigration of her career and that of her husband was quite cheap, not to mention rather low.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:06 AM
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50. No it couldn't
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:08 AM by karynnj
I assume you are speaking of Obama. The fact is that he took a job on the South side of Chicago when he graduated from Columbia and returned there after graduating from Harvard Law and having been a Harvard Law Review editor. In the case of FDR and Kennedy, neither made their family fortunes, both spent their entire lives in public service.

I agree that Chelsea is smart. It is true that people saw her grow up, but the fact is that we know very little about her as a person. As a private person, that's the way it should be. She MIGHT possibly be a political star, but to this point, she has not done anything that shows that. She did a nice job campaigning for her mom, but so did the Gore daughters, the Kerry daughters, Cate Edwards etc for their parents - several speaking at least as well if not better on the issues than Chelsea.

As to a "star", I would wait to see what she herself does -- and I would think it might be better to not push what could be glitter over something that could really be gold.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:35 AM
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57. A "glittering pedigree?" I guess I am not right for politics as I don't have good breeding on myside
:wtf:
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:24 AM
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63. Like it or lump it, in politics these things count.
Her father was the President of the United States and an authentic political genius, and her mother was a high profile Senator and our current Secretary of State (needless to say).

The advantages of name recognition (and very few names in American politics are more golden than Clinton) entirely aside, were she to actually run for and hold public office she would be able to draw on the kinds of contacts, resources, and advice the likes of which most politicians can only ever dream about. Some might view this with disfavor. I look at it as a recipe for setting her to be far more effective than a lot of other people without those advantages might be were they to hold a position that she might choose to pursue. And God knows that at the moment we suffer from a dearth of genuinely effective political figures.

Is it egalitarian? Hell no. Is it part of the facts of political life in this country? Hell yes.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:37 PM
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7. "This is 100% false. She is not running for Congress in the 18th District or any other,"
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2011/10/team-lowey-squashes-chelsea-clinton-story-updated-x-4-now-with-more-squashing

UPDATE: "This is 100% false. She is not running for Congress in the 18th District or any other," said Clinton spokesman Matt McKenna.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:39 PM
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9. Okay. So she'll continue to make billions for .01%. nt
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:55 PM
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14. She doesn't work at the hedge fund anymore
She left there years ago when she went to Columbia for her Masters in Public Health and is currently working on her PhD.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:16 AM
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66. Ah, thanks for the update. nt
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:53 AM
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32. No one is denying that "two Clinton supporters" suggested Chelsea could run if Lowey ever retires.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 02:54 AM by ClarkUSA
"Rep. Nita Lowey, an old family ally who represents the official Clinton home in Westchester County, turned 74 in July and two Clinton supporters suggested that Chelsea Clinton might be a natural for her seat should Lowey decide to retire in coming years."



I think the story is true but they got the date wrong. Chelsea will be anointed when Lowey resigns. Bet on it. In the meantime, she'll fill the gaping holes in her public service resume.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:37 PM
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8. I'm not sure how I feel about this.
She's been mostly out of the public eye. But accounts of her antics during the 2008 primaries tell me she was not ready for the big time three years ago. Does she have the intellectual heft of her parents? Where is she on issues? I'm sure she'll be great on women's, civil and GLBT rights, but what about labor and economic justice? What about foreign policy (I assume she will be very pro-Israel running in NY).
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:14 PM
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16. She is more intelligent than either of her parents.
The "antics" were rightwing huffing. I see you bought it.

She is an expert on energy (green) and economic policy (especially as it relates to women) and in both areas her focus is international policy. In short, she is a global numbers and policy wonk.

She is beyond ready for the big time but I really don't think she will ever run for office.

Frankly the country doesn't deserve her service. Example - your comment.
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:43 PM
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25. Nailed it.
We could most definitely do with someone like her getting into our politics. Unfortunatly, I think you may be correct in your last two sentences. :(
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:20 AM
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53. What credentials make her an expert on energy and economic policy?
Consider that people like John Kerry and Al Gore cite experts on green energy and do not call themselves expert, though both are far beyond where Chelsea Clinton is.

In addition, other than the comment on "2008 antics" the questions asked are valid and we don't know the answers. It could be that Chelsea Clinton will be a wonderful statesman and leader - or it can be that people want a younger version of her parents. This is kind of like expecting one of the Beatle offspring to be as exceptional in music as Bill Clinton was in politics. Some of them are capable musicians, but to expect one of them because of parentage to rise to the top in the next generation is not a likely proposition - though name and connections help.
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:39 PM
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10. 'Clinton has been approached by "the right people" in the New York Democratic Party' - the top 1%?
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:51 PM
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12. Since the OWS people seem to reject the political process and both parties...
...perhaps thats all that left?
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:50 PM
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11. UPDATE-Team Lowey Squashes Chelsea Clinton Story
from the http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2011/10/team-lowey-squashes-chelsea-clinton-story-updated-x-4-now-with-more-squashing">NY Daily News:

NY-18 Rep. Nita Lowey's office says it's not true she's leaving the office she won in 1988 to pave the way for a Chelsea Clinton bid for Congress.

A New Rochelle blog, Talk of the Sound, ran a story this afternoon which said, in part that "Clinton has been approached by "the right people" in the New York Democratic Party, according to one source in Albany. While no decision has been made, Clinton is said to be "actively considering" a Congressional run from New York State in 2012.

UPDATE: "This is 100% false. She is not running for Congress in the 18th District or any other," said Clinton spokesman Matt McKenna.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 10:53 PM
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13. No. Just no. No more dynastic politics. nt
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:13 PM
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15. Why the heck not?
"Dynastic politics", as you term it, gave this country two Adams presidents, two Roosevelt presidents (and a prominent career for the second one's wife), and the Kennedy brothers. The Bushes might have been a serious blot, but by my reckoning that only makes it 8-2 - not a score that seemes like it should discredit the practice.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:17 PM
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18. Agree - I get so sick of the dynastic tripe.
People actually think its a brilliant observation.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:18 PM
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19. Ah yes, monied heredetary political dynasties. I'm sure The People will be served well. nt
PB
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:20 PM
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20. This is stupid, at least in the case of Caroline Kennedy she herself wanted to run
by what's with wanting ot get certain people to run just because of their names. it's one thing if they show interest themselves but in this case it's just because of her name.

there are so many other people out there who i'm sure would do a good job.
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mindwalker_i Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:20 PM
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21. That and a couple of cheeseburgers might just tip ol' Rush over the edge
n/t
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:24 PM
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22. Well, she certain has choices...
For starters, she's been described as "scary smart", and although I'm unsure what this is supposed to portend, she is no doubt in position to do just about anything she damn well pleases.

She is also in another generation that I find interesting. The have nots of her generation are in large part the smart people who are occupying Wall Street, and she can afford to come from inside this to join them.

Think of that possibility and you can imagine some pretty amazing things. Let's have some faith in the generation, regardless that generation's position in society.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:05 AM
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26. Her dad repealed Glass-Steagall
And she s a hedge fund manager, herself. How can we expect the apple to fall far from the tree?
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:32 AM
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68. I don't know, Randy...
I understand what you are saying. I understand what Bill Clinton did, which many others seem to take WAY too lightly, but I am not one to forget. But, if you're asking about apples falling far from the tree, well.... I can't say what she is, because her life has been that well protected.

I'm saying that we need to look at this generation, regardless from whom it sprang forth. For example, I have been so taken up with listening to people her own age talk during the OWS videos seen here. I never would have thought they were so attuned to our country's state of crises. They impress me SO MUCH.

I'd really like to know what Chelsea is all about just for that reason. I'll hold my criticisms meanwhile.

That's all I'm saying.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 11:31 PM
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23. Predicted it.
And 15 or 20 years from now Malia and Sasha will be welcomed into the 'in crowd'.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:15 AM
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30. Chelsea worked for a Hedge Fund that gave money to Obama
and many other Democrats. "Hedge fund managers throw weight behind Obama" http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/11/us-usa-politics-obama-hedgefunds-idUSN1136083920080711

She no longer works for a Hedge Fund: "Chelsea Clinton graduated from Stanford University and earned two master's degrees, one from Oxford in England, and another from Columbia University in New York City. She is currently enrolled in the doctoral program at the Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New York University" http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/chelsea-clinton-mulls-congressional-run-new-york-state-18th-district-westchester-county-cons

I doubt she will run, but if she does, I don't have any doubts she will win.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:47 AM
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31. Nepotism is alive and well. The head of that hedge fund is one of her dad's buddies.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 02:56 AM by ClarkUSA
"Rep. Nita Lowey, an old family ally who represents the official Clinton home in Westchester County, turned 74 in July and two Clinton supporters suggested that Chelsea Clinton might be a natural for her seat should Lowey decide to retire in coming years."


More nepotism, this time of a political sort. BTW, any Democrat would win NY-18. It's solidly Democratic.

If Chelsea is seriously considering it, and it sure sounds as if she is, then I hope she does something in the interim to justify people's trust in her other than run on her last name. To be anointed by Clintonian buddies of her parents seriously smacks of political privilege of the sort that would never favor those in her generation who are more deserving because of their real acts of public service. There's a whole generation Kennedys who've have gone into public service and none of them are even interested in running for office, for example.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:26 AM
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36. And Obama took the money from Hedge Funds all the same
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 04:39 AM by girl_interrupted
as did many other Democratic candidates. And as far as the "Clinton name" It sure didn't stop Obama from taking in former Clinton employees for his administration either.

As I look at Chelsea's qualifications: "Chelsea Clinton graduated from Stanford University and earned two master's degrees, one from Oxford in England, and another from Columbia University in New York City. She is currently enrolled in the doctoral program at the Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New York University"

It seems to me she doesn't have to ride on anyone elses coattails, she seems more than capable to achieve things on her own.

I'm also a NY'er and as much as you may hate it...NY'ers are still very fond of the Clintons. They remember with great fondness the Clinton economy. Not to mention electing Hillary Clinton for 2 terms as Senator, races in which she won by large margins.

You left out out Caroline Kennedy...she didn't do to well did she? Her uncle Ted was a big promoter of her running for NY Senate, voters didn't feel the same, she was certainly not their 1st pick for a replacement by evidence of her poll numbers with NY'ers. Then of course there was her cousins Joe Kennedy,who backed out of his Massachusetts governorship race because of family difficulties and Kathleen Kennedy Townsend defeated in her attempt for the Maryland Governorship and Patrick kennedy who also had to resign from his congressional seat because of mental health issues.

So to say the Kennedy's could have run, is a misnomer, they have.

Everyone deserves a chance and it will be the voters who decide who deserves it or not.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:30 AM
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42. Everyone takes money from the hedge funds except Reps in safe, safe, safe Dem districts.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:22 AM
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54. Yup, they most certainly do!
Agree with you there!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:27 AM
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55. "former Clinton employees"
You mean Democratic professions who got government jobs in the Clinton administration. Where do you think Obama would get experienced people other than in previous Democratic administrations?

This is far different than Chelsea, who was the daughter.

As to Caroline Kennedy, it was not the NY voters, but Governor Patterson who rejected her - the voters never had a ballot with her name on it.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:23 AM
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62. Call them what you want
"professions"? I would assume Obama would have his pick from previous administrations as well as private sector, lots of really brilliant people out there to chose from, for his administration. But I think he wanted his economy to be as successful as Bill Clinton's.

In addition, it was Obama who chose Hillary as his SOS.

Ever hear of polls? There were plenty taken for the candidates for that senate seat. Caroline was also someones "daughter" besides being an intelligent and well educated woman. But her lack of communication skills didn't endear her to voters.

Caroline was way down on the list with New York voters, Between her "you know" interview (46 times in 5 minutes) and the fact Caroline neglected to even bother to vote in quite a few primaries and elections including for the office she wanted to run for, she was anything but popular with New Yorkers. And probably one of the reasons she took herself out of the race.

Lovely woman, terrible candidate.




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Islandlife Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:51 AM
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33. I guess what you really need is
A good pedigree. Or just be approachable by the right people.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:57 AM
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34. Heart palpitations! This would be welcome news!
Chelsea is super smart, she got game on the stump and knows what she is talking about. I'd love this.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:10 AM
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35. That's my district
Nita Lowey has been a fantastic rep and I'll be sorry to see her go but she's earned her retirement and if Chelsea comes down on issues the same as her mom and dad, I'll be happy to vote for her.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:46 AM
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37. The reason(s) that disqualified Caroline Kennedy from being selected
to replace Hillary Clinton's senate seat applies equally to Chelsea Clinton. Lack of experience, held no prior political office, has made no prior political position or criticism. She isn't qualified because she's a Clinton and has backing.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:34 AM
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43. That wasn't Caroline's problem, at all
There are a lot of people who run for office that don't have prior experience. And sometimes that can work in their favor and you can be delighted with what they can achieve. Caroline is a very well educated, intelligent woman. Make no mistake about that. She's no dummy. But her problem was her inability to communicate, she just wasn't good when it came to public speaking, she came off as being inarticulate, monotone, wooden and boring.

I don't know if you ever heard her "you know" interview. Where in a span of 5 minutes she repeated "umm you know" 46 times and I'm not joking, it's on youtube. It got to be a big joke around the city. I think it's because she is naturally shy and uncomfortable being in the limelight, and more use to being in the background. Her brother was a natural, relaxed, articulate, warm and just beloved in this city. He would have won any office in this city in a landslide. Unfortunately Caroline was the exact opposite, she was not articulate, had none of the warmth or charm or vitality. I think it took a lot of people by surprise and they just didn't warm up to her.

Another embarrassing factor was Caroline hadn't voted in many primaries and elections, including the very senate seat she wanted to run for. Despite her spokesman saying Caroline "knew the importance of voting, it went over like a lead balloon.

I think everyone should be judged on their own merits, regardless of their last name. Many of the Kennedy "children" have gone on to run for office, some successful, some not. There are times I wish FDR had more members of his surviving family running for office, if they were anything like him.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:34 AM
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56. Why are you attacking Caroline Kennedy to defend Chelsea?
The fact is that to this point, the only public thing that Chelsea has done is to support her mother's run for President. On that she was no better than Caroline was backing many Democrats - including speaking at a few Democratic conventions. The role of adult children in a Presidential campaign is one that few fail at because little is really asked. Do you think that their role would make you want Karenna Gore, Vanessa Kerry or Amy Carter to run for public office?
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:15 AM
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65. Attacking? I am not doing that at all, I was explaining.
It wasn't Caroline's lack of experience, that caused her to sink like a stone. Look at Obama..just how much experience did he have in comparison to John McCain.....would that have been your criteria in selecting McCain instead, because he had more experience?

Everyone and I do mean everyone starts with no experience, be it politics or any other field. The only way they are ever going to get that experience is by starting somewhere and working their way up. For some the way up will be quicker, for others longer. But everyone has to start at some point.

In addition they aren't "just" children of politicians, many of them have college educations, you make them sound like they are some kind of idiots who can't make it in the world, other then to have inherited a "name".

Would I want Karenna Gore or Vanessa Kerry or Amy Carter to run? Why not? Vanessa Kerry graduated summa cum laude from Yale University with a major in biology, she is also a Fulbright Scholar, She then attended Harvard Medical school& graduated with honors. She is a medical doctor, so I think she would be intelligent enough to enter into any field she desires. Politics is probably at day at the beach in comparison to saving peoples lives. Kareena Gore received her B.A. in history and literature in 1995 from Harvard University and J.D. from Columbia Law School, I suppose you don't know any politicians that are lawyers either.
Amy Carter earned a bachelor of fine arts degree (BFA) from the Memphis College of Art and a master's degree in art history from Tulane University in New Orleans. Chelsea Clinton graduated from Stanford University and earned two master's degrees, one from Oxford in England, and another from Columbia University in New York City. She is currently enrolled in the doctoral program at the Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New York University.

So yes, I would love any four of these women to run for office...they don't have the "experience" of a Sarah Palin or a Michelle Bachmann, just intelligence, that I'm sure they would put to good use, if given a chance.





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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:07 PM
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72. I did not speak of experience
"Kennedy graduated from Radcliffe College and worked at New York City's Metropolitan Museum of Art, where she met her future husband, exhibit designer Edwin Schlossberg. She went on to receive a J.D. degree from Columbia Law School. Kennedy's professional life has spanned law and politics as well as education and charitable work. "

From Wikipedia

Quick question - Why, other than endorsing Obama over Hillary, is Caroline's Law degree from Columbia less impressive than Karenna Gore's Law degree from Columbia or Amy Carter's degrees. (Caroline's undergraduate was from Radcliffe and Karenna's from Harvard. ) Caroline's education is at least as good as Carter's.)

As to the interview, it is obvious that she was nervous and the fact is that the newspapers usually ums and you knows out. I am positive that you could find an unimpressive interview of ANY politician if you look hard enough.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:16 AM
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40. No bankers or bankers wives or hedge fund managers please.
Isn't it about time we started considering a candidate's background before we jump on their bandwagon? We can't solve the problems of this country by putting people who seek to profit from them in elected office.

We also need to stop voting for party labels and start looking at who's taking money from who.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:44 AM
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44. A bankers wife just ran off and joined Occupy Wall Street
a few days ago. No joke! "Stacey Hessler, Protesting Zuccotti Mom, Colorfully Described by Media" http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/10/protesting_zucc.php

I guess you can just never know what people are going to do.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:29 AM
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41. Go for it, Chelsea! On the other hand, is the US ready for President Chelsea?
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:46 AM
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45. I'll take her over a President Bristol
if it should ever come to that.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:55 AM
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47. Nita M. Lowey, the then likely Senate candidate in 2000, who moved aside for Hilalry Clinton
Wouldn't it be better to wait until Lowey announced that she was not running before doing anything to run in a district that she does not even currently live in?

It looks like a district any competent Democrat can win.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:02 AM
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59. Yes, at the urging of Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Lowey moved aside
for Hillary to run: "Moynihan, who won the largest statewide victory in New York history in 1988 and is something of a godfather in New York politics, is an outspoken supporter of the first lady."
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1999-02-20/news/9902200145_1_first-lady-moynihan-hillary-clinton

It was a good decision on Moynihan's part, Giuliani's popularity versus Hillary's...2 very strong opponents. Lowey took one for the team, anything to get rid of Giuliani.

Lowey is now 74, I think thats why so many political talking heads are speculating she won't run and who will replace her. But it has to be Lowey's decision. She will have to announce first.

And Chelsea is in the 18th District, the same district Lowey now holds, not the 19th, and a correction has been posted in that article:

CORRECTION: The Westchester County Board of Elections has confirmed that the Clinton home in Chappaqua is in District 18.

http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/chelsea-clinton-mulls-congressional-run-new-york-state-18th-district-westchester-county-cons

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:27 AM
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64. The Chappaqua addess is irrelevent
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 09:27 AM by karynnj
Chelsea and her husband do not live there, but, I think, in NYC.

I agree that it was Moynihan and TPTB that persuaded Lowey to back out. I assume her reason was that winning state wide against the far better known Hillary would have been tough. As to Giuliani, he was imploding because of things like telling the media he was getting a divorce before he told his wife.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:25 AM
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67. The district is anything but irrelevant
Because people can be awfully petty you know. So it had better be 18 not 19, or their heads would explode. LOL!

Giuliani had his following...don't forget anytime he did anything it had to be plastered all over town, so you wouldn't dare to forget it. Was so good to see him go.

Rudy V Hilary would have been the clash of the Titans. Would have been fun.

You have to have respect for Lowey, she did what she thought would benefit her party and the state of New York.

Until she announces her retirement, no one is in the running. It's just we live in a 24/7 news cycle and talking heads just love to speculate.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:58 AM
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48. I doubt she will run for office at this point if ever
She is one of the most intelligent people I have ever heard speak politically. A very smart person with a memory that amazed me. If she did run, I would most certainly consider her an excellent candidate, but it does not strike me as realistic at this time.
Holding early employment against a person is questionable, Obama did a year with an international financial consultancy house for the pay as well. Young people try gigs that match their skills, Chelsea has a brain for numbers and stats like few I have met. I think she is in a phd program now,not working...not sure.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:59 AM
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49. No thanks- she worked a disgusting hedge fund company
She had her choice of being anything in the world and she went for this:

Avenue Capital Group is a global investment firm focusing on distressed securities<2> and private equity with regional teams focusing on opportunities in the United States, Europe and Asia. The firm operates as both a private equity firm and as a hedge fund. Avenue’s core strategy is focused on distressed debt and equity securities although the firm also manages investment funds that focus on long-short opportunities, real estate, and collateralized debt obligations. The firm manages assets valued at approximately $20 billion<1>. The firm was founded by former professionals of Amroc Investments, an affiliate of the Robert M. Bass Group.

:puke:

I have to say I have alot more respect for Jenna Bush's choices:

Before leaving Washington, D.C. in Summer 2006, Hager worked at Elsie Whitlow Stokes Community Freedom Public Charter School for a year and a half as a teacher's aide.<14> She took a leave of absence from the Charter School teaching position to work at a shelter as part of an internship for UNICEF's Educational Policy Department in Latin America, specifically in Panama.<15><16> After her internship for UNICEF, Hager returned to her position at the charter school in Washington, D.C.<17> She currently works as a part-time reading coordinator at the SEED Public Charter School in Baltimore, Maryland, and contributes a monthly news story about education for the Today show.<18>


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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:17 AM
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51. Yup, the very same "disgusting" Hedge Fund Obama got money from
Not to mention a bunch of other Democrats. It is what it is. http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/07/11/us-usa-politics-obama-hedgefunds-idUSN1136083920080711

Yes, that bush family, just a bunch of humanitarians
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:48 PM
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70. So because a company gave money to Obama and other Dems they are somehow excempt...
from being nasty little parasites on society?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:19 AM
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52. Obama did a year with a consultancy firm serving multinational corps
He thought it might be a fit, did not care for it and moved on. Young people do that. Should he be defined by that choice, that year? I think not, but the standard you offer says absolutely he must be judged by that year, for it and without any context or later history used to understand the choice.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:37 AM
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58. Who are the 'right people' who approached her?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:00 AM
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69. Absolutely not. I don't wan't another Corporatist Clinton.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:31 PM
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71. "This is 100% false. She is not running for Congress in the 18th District or any other," said Clinto
A New Rochelle blog, Talk of the Sound, ran a story this afternoon which said, in part, that "Clinton has been approached by "the right people" in the New York Democratic Party, according to one source in Albany. While no decision has been made, Clinton is said to be "actively considering" a Congressional run from New York State in 2012.

UPDATE: "This is 100% false. She is not running for Congress in the 18th District or any other," said Clinton spokesman Matt McKenna.

"The plan is to identify an open seat for Clinton in or around New York City where she currently resides with her husband, Marc Mezvinsky," the blog item continues.

"While no specific district has been determined, New York City and Westchester are said to be the focus with New York's 18th District considered a strong possibility. The 18th encompasses much of Westchester County, just south of where her parents have maintained a home for the past 12 years."

Lowey spokesman Matthew Dennis told our Alison Gendar, “Congresswoman Lowey is 100% running for re-election in 2012. She is not retiring.”

One Democratic operative similarly told Gendar when asked about the Lowey/Clinton item, "News to me. They love Nita in Westchester.

"http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2011/10/team-lowey-squashes-chelsea-clinton-story-updated-x-4-now-with-more-squashing
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:17 PM
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73. It's funny to see the same people who attack Obama for being too close to Wall Street
making excuses for Chelsea's job. That being said, I'd be happy to see her run for congress, and even the senate one day.
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