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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:57 PM
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Open letter to OWS

I think it would be a mistake for OWS to declare who their leaders are. A huge mistake. I would like to know this information just as much as the next person. Out of sheer curiosity alone. Problem is there are a lot of other people out there who work for agencies who want to know this information and it isn't because they are being curious.

Disclosing who the leaders are will be the beginning of the end for the movement. I have seen this movie before and already know the ending. Don't get suckered into disclosing this information. I know it is tempting, but don't do it. No good will come of it. I am giving an inexact example of what could and probably would happen below if they did. As I said it is not exactly the same but I am sure you will recognize some distinct parallels.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

Black Panther Party

The Black Panther Party (originally the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense) was an African-American revolutionary leftist organization. It was active in the United States from 1966 until 1982. The Black Panther Party achieved national and international notoriety through its involvement in the Black Power movement and in U.S. politics of the 1960s and 70s. The group's "provocative rhetoric, militant posture, and cultural and political flourishes permanently altered the contours of American Identity."

Founded in Oakland, California, by Huey Newton and Bobby Seale on October 15, 1966, the organization initially set forth a doctrine calling primarily for the protection of African American neighborhoods from police brutality. The organization's leaders espoused socialist and communist (largely Maoist) doctrines, however the Party's early black nationalist reputation attracted a diverse membership. Black Panther Party objectives and philosophy expanded and evolved rapidly during the party's existence, so ideological consensus within the party was difficult to achieve, and some prominent members openly disagreed with the views of the leaders.

The organization's official newspaper, The Black Panther, was first circulated in 1967. Also that year, the Black Panther Party marched on the California State Capitol in Sacramento in protest of a selective ban on weapons. By 1968, the party had expanded into many cities throughout the United States, among them New Orleans, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, San Diego, Denver, Newark, New York City, Kansas City, Boston, Dallas, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Seattle, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, San Francisco and Omaha. Peak membership neared 10,000 by 1969, and their newspaper, under the editorial leadership of Eldridge Cleaver, had a circulation of 250,000. The group created a Ten-Point Program, a document that called for "Land, Bread, Housing, Education, Clothing, Justice and Peace", as well as exemption from conscription for African-American men, among other demands. With the Ten-Point program, “What We Want, What We Believe”, the Black Panther Party expressed its economic and political grievances.

Federal Bureau of Investigation Director J. Edgar Hoover called the party “the greatest threat to the internal security of the country,” and he supervised an extensive program (COINTELPRO) of surveillance, infiltration, perjury, police harassment, assassination, and many other tactics designed to undermine Panther leadership, incriminate party members and drain the organization of resources and manpower. Through these tactics, Hoover hoped to diminish the Party's threat to the general power structure of the U.S., or even maintain its influence as a strong undercurrent. Angela Davis, Ward Churchill, and others have alleged that federal, state and local law enforcement officials went to great lengths to discredit and destroy the organization, including assassination. Black Panther Party membership reached a peak of 10,000 by early 1969, then suffered a series of contractions due to legal troubles, incarcerations, internal splits, expulsions and defections. Popular support for the Party declined further after reports appeared detailing the group's involvement in activities such as drug dealing and extortion schemes directed against Oakland merchants By 1972 most Panther activity centered around the national headquarters and a school in Oakland, CA, where the Party continued to influence local politics. Party contractions continued throughout the 1970s; by 1980 the Black Panther Party comprised just 27 members.




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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:58 PM
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1. Don I agree
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 12:58 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Leaderless resistance is literally driving them nuts. Even if I can tell who my local leaders are.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 12:59 PM
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2. Once it becomes a focus on one or a few human beings, it gets smaller and
more easily dismissed--I agree.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:03 PM
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4. Also leaders are who they will target and smear
I think there will be blood. It has been coming for long time.
Not to issue a threat..but those so called gated/secure communities are not fortresses far from it, when the people finally get full up......
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:10 PM
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7. Yep--becomes more about personalities and reputations (easily trashed).
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:03 PM
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3. What's the Black Panther movement got to do with anything? ...
This is wacky. Leaders? Black Panthers? Yea, the B.Panthers were very prominent in Egypt,Syria and Libya. They are just chalked full of young white college students.This is just loony. I enjoy a good chuckle but really?
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:07 PM
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6. What is looney is that you cannot grok that it d was an example.
When the leaders if any are named that is who the power whores will go after. Having survived gay rights in Nazibama I can tell you from personal experience how they mess with you, and instigate attacks by the right tards..even to trying to burn my house down with me, partner another couple and a woman and little baby inside because we were queers and the woman was black.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:40 PM
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8. I do agree with the first part of the post. It's using the Black Panthers
as an example of leaders of the movement that throws me. If that's not what the poster is doing it is still off base.
Your case is tragic and you have been prosecuted and oppressed in a horrible way. I'm furious with those who felt they has the right to harm innocent people.
Glad you are here. I wish you and your family well.It is the second paragraph of this post that I don't grok.Having only 27 members of the Black Panthers in the late 1960's it was easy to find and go after any member of this group.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:04 PM
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5. I'll make it real easy for them. I am the leader of it, yes all of it.. But
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 01:15 PM by coalition_unwilling
if they remove me, someone better and sronger will rise to take my place:

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:04 PM
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9. The leaderless/unstructured concept has its pluses and minuses
and seems to be working at this point. We are finding out that consensus is not a viable path once the group gets above a tipping point.

It is interesting to see how many people here and elsewhere pontificate on the meaning and goals of the movement while not ever going to an encampment.

Kudos to Nadin and others who have.
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