Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

White House: US Drones in Ethiopia

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:36 PM
Original message
White House: US Drones in Ethiopia
The White House says the United States has drones in Ethiopia and that the unmanned aircraft are there to conduct reconnaissance missions, not airstrikes.

Spokesman Jay Carney told reporters on Friday that the operation is part of the U.S. government's partnership with Ethiopia to promote stability in the Horn of Africa and combat terrorism.

U.S. military officials have confirmed the drones are flying into Somalia, where the government is battling the al-Qaida-Linked militant group al-Shabab.

The drones can be armed with missiles and satellite-guided bombs, but a military spokesman told VOA on Friday the missions are strictly for surveillance purposes.

Read more: http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2011/10/28/white-house-us-drones-in-ethiopia/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:40 PM
Response to Original message
1. Darn my cynical nature!
Why do I have a hard time believing what our wise and benevolent overlords tell us? So, will we be treated to a "Whoopsie! I guess one of those drones had a missile on board after all" moment, or will they play it out the long way, reconnaissance first so that the missile strikes when they happen don't look quite so indiscriminate?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
2. So, we are droning/bombing how many countries now?
Afghanistan
Syria
Pakistan
Yemen
Somalia
didn't we blow something up in Uganda recently?



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. I am not aware of any actions in Syria. Perhaps you are thinking of Libya or Egypt.
Good grief! How many wars are we getting involved in? And for what?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. You can bet we used drones in Syria, Iran and elsewhere...
No, we probably aren't shooting missiles at anyone in those places, but we most certainly spy on them using drones.

Pretty sure Iran has already shot down a couple of ours over their territory.

So yeah, I'm absolutely confident CIA/DIA controlled drones have been in and out of Syria.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Aren't we droning our southern border, too?
Who can keep up?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. At least our southern border is actually our business.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:16 PM
Response to Original message
6. barack obomber - weak on republicans, strong on drones nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
8. SOCOM. Bush in 60 countries. Obama in 120 countries by end of 2011

The military industrial complex need not worry about its future under this administration:


SOCOM. Bush- 60 countries. Obama 120 countries by end of 2011
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2118912&mesg_id=2122224

Mercenary forces to double in Iraq after 2011
http://waronyou.com/topics/u-s-to-double-mercenary-forces-in-iraq-after-2011-military-pullout

OBAMA AGREES WITH PANETTA, ENDORSES MEDICARE ‘ADJUSTMENTS’ OVER DEFENSE CUTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1692899

Panetta Starts Singing Contractors’ Tune After Closed-Door Meeting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1964568

Panetta: Cutting too deep would devastate military
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5025964

A Top Senate Dem Says Iran Plot May Be Act Of War
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5024359
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:56 PM
Response to Original message
9. just taking a little look-see..
mmmmm-hmmmmmmm......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:15 PM
Response to Original message
10. K&R nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 10:54 PM
Response to Original message
11. President Obama has become increasingly fond of using drones as weapons.
Under Barack Obama, the frequency of drone strikes on terrorists in Pakistan’s tribal areas has risen tenfold, from one every 40 days during George Bush’s presidency to one every four. John Brennan, Mr Obama’s counter-terrorism chief, has made it clear that as America draws down its forces in Afghanistan over the next three years, there will be no let up in drone strikes, which, he claims, are partly responsible for al-Qaeda being “on the ropes”. The grim Reaper’s ability to loiter for up to 24 hours, minutely observe human activity from five miles above while transmitting “full motion video” to its controllers and strike with pinpoint accuracy has made it the essential weapon in America’s “long war”.
---
Not all the arguments favour UAS, though. Advocates of continuing investment in manned aircraft point out that current drones depend on two-way satellite communications. If the datalink is broken the remote pilot will lose direct control of the aircraft, which then has to rely on pre-loaded software and GPS guidance. For routine missions that may be all right, but for missions requiring constant oversight, the vulnerability to electronic jamming or a direct attack on a communications satellite is an Achilles heel. Datalinks can also go down without help from an enemy.

A related problem afflicting today’s drones is the slight delay between the remote pilot sending an instruction to the aircraft and its response (known as latency). In contrast, a pilot in the cockpit can react instantly to a threat and take evasive action. Drones operating over Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia are fairly safe: the enemy is powerless to hurt them. But when Predators were first introduced in Bosnia, there was high rate of attrition because the Serbs had a large number of Soviet-era surface-to-air-missiles. Another problem is that UAS have not been cleared to share civil airspace over America and Europe by air-traffic controllers. The Federal Aviation Authority began trials in 2010, but it will not be easy to dispel fears that if a pilot were temporarily to lose control of a UAS, it might smash into a passenger airliner in shared airspace.
---
The ethical problems do not end there. There may be nothing in the laws of war saying combatants must be willing to put themselves in harm’s way, but some find creepy the idea of a UAS pilot stationed in Nevada driving home for supper with the family a few hours after surgically killing dozens of people in Pakistan. The peculiar detachment of drone warfare has given people close to the receiving end of drone attacks some success in depicting America’s use of them as the cowardly action of a bully sheltering behind superior technology. Looking farther ahead, there are fears that UAS and other robotised killing machines will so lower the political threshold for fighting that an essential element of restraint will be removed. Robert E. Lee said “it is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we would grow too fond of it.” Drones might make leaders fonder of war.

http://www.economist.com/node/21531433?du
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 13th 2024, 09:29 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC