no,no no don't let them share..copyrighted...stuff..

[undergroundpanther]

behind the closed doors during sessions to make a law to give stiff penalties for sharing copywrited materials on the net,they were all there,Clearchannel,AMC and Comcast,Disney,20th century fox and all were there wringing their hands wailing ...

Ooh there must be a LAW to stop it,cry the poor media barons of the 1%!! They said to obama.. You can't just do nothing.. because,if People share,OMG,if those people share copyrighted material,
http://fuckcopyright.blogspot.com/

...How long until they start to share food water,shelter & knowledge? It would be a bloodbath of epic proportions if the little
people realized they can share,ANYTHING and TRUST each other and rely on each other to share with each other. Rather than patron our wonderful1 companies and PAY us what we tell them it costs, as we steal the creative ideas from theminds behind the movies and music from those starry eyed young dupes who wanna be a Starrrrr that give us thier all to make us rich... and you know,it might even threaten the sacred "free market", with that kind of daaaangeroous thinking, the 99% could free themselves from capitalism and gosh,ignore the never ending demands of the wonderful 1% and their costly lifestyles and we will never be kings of the world waaaahhhh.*sigh*It would just kill all the bankers & Ceo's dreams.It would be the end of legal Theft itself!and we can't bear losing our hard robbed money can we obama? You better pass that law and screw those evil sharers or we won't let you play prezzident anymoooar..

http://istealyourmoney.com/legal-theft.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_destroys_ca.html

If you think such dangerous things like sharing and ending copyright and proprietary information it might even make the 99% see a clear way to exist without poverty,money or debt, or *gasp* the 1%.. My god man it would be anarrchy....!!!

http://www.scritube.com/limba/engleza/sociology/ANARCHISM-AND-ETHICAL-DEVELOPM611613.php

(no sarcasm)

[TheWraith]

1. Okay... once more, with coherence and sentence structure? nt

[greytdemocrat]

5. Good luck with that...

[pnwmom]

2. As hard as it is for authors and writers to make a living,

you would like to make it impossible, by eliminating copyright laws.

Fortunately, saner heads will prevail.

[undergroundpanther]

7. You don't you understand

once you say something and let it leave your lips you cannot grab the words out of thin air again and say wait you can't hear me until you pay me a quarter.If someone overhears they owe you a quarter too. Copyright has to end at some point.

Copyright does not protect your creations. Big media companies will steal it from you legally.
If you think you will be the next Rawlings,or Gaga go ahead, they got fame and got rich but..how much richer are the publishers who now OWN what made her rich,her mind's creation? Once you sell your idea you can't get it back.
Likewise once you say it you cannot grab it back and demand a quarter for everything you say.


Your enemy is not the sharers, the enemy is the hand that feeds you peanuts while it makes billions off of you.
Also music sucks when a very few consolidated huge media companies pick out the popular books and music for the masses for them. It is scared creative people want to turn an expression of the soul into a product to sell,like ham it involves painful changes to make a live pig into palatable ham for the masses and once the company owns what comes out of your mind after you sign on then what? They can do anything they want to your ideas.. This is because when media companies pick who gets the airplay or print they control which artist gets "rich" and paid and what parts of your expression is heard. While many more desperate artists give it their all to the ceo hoping on a contract too.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB112975986718273657.html


And please READ THE LINKS of this post and the OP. Then you can shiver over sharing all you want.

[PETRUS]

16. That's not true.

Both copyright and patent laws are an almost entirely un-discussed form of protectionism - government granted monopolies. There are other - and better - ways to fund arts, research, innovation, etc.

If you're willing to consider an alternate perspective, follow the link and read chapter 10:

http://www.deanbaker.net/images/stories/documents/End-of-Loser-Liberalism.pdf


Powerful proponents of corporatism still have people snowed on a few things. This is one.

[pnwmom]

18. Creative people deserve to be paid for the fruit of their labors.

Not to have other people steal them.

[PETRUS]

19. Creative people should be paid. Did you follow my link & read?

Copyright law is not the best way to fund the arts.

[pnwmom]

21. I don't think some bureaucrats should be deciding who qualifies to be paid. n/t

[PETRUS]

26. You're hilarious. Did you read the source?

If so, you would understand you made a nonsensical statement. The author's proposal is democratic funding. Individuals would decide, not (scary) "bureaucrats." At the moment, we have economic and political elites deciding who gets paid - and overcharging us in the process. The principle beneficiaries of today's copyright and patent protection laws are not artists or inventors, but corporate entities that employ them (i.e. work for hire) or buy out their work.

[Shandris]

20. You should check out the work that Paizo Publishing is doing.

Sure, Fantasy RPG might not be your genre, you they are offering every last bit of material for their core rulebooks online FOR FREE for ANYONE who wants to look at it.

And it's only made them MORE profitable.

Strict copyright is NOT a good thing universally. There are times for copyright, and there are some things that can not, and should not, be copyrighted.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. The Grateful Dead did just fine allowing people to tape their concerts

but that's a far cry from "Music, art, and movies should all be FREE, all the time! At least, until we get rid of money entirely." :crazy:

[pnwmom]

25. Of course it's fine if people freely choose to make their work available

in a setting that's not copyrighted.

But they should also be able to retain the copyright to their work, if that's their choice.

[catabryna]

3. Are you one of those musical geniuses on myspace?

Thank goodness I don't pay for it.

[undergroundpanther]

11. Well

Are you a cheezy singer from american idol? glad I never bothered to watch.*smirk*

Some of my artwork is on myspace. Put it there long ago. Really feel free,create something even more beautiful,with it.
I don't care..It was made to be seen and to inspire others that is what art does.. it's for a tarot deck in my mind.Takes a long time to make an entire tarot deck.This is the lovers card.

[catabryna]

14. Nope... I'm such a bad singer,

I don't even reach the level of cheesy! :hippie:

[Ohio Joe]

4. What is it you do for a living?

I feel it is only fair that I steal it from you.

[undergroundpanther]

9. My posts on here are for free.

and *gasp* other people have quoted them and I didn't care.
and it is not your concern what I do or do not do. I'm sad you can't see the forest for the trees.

[Ohio Joe]

15. So it is ok for you to steal from me but not me from you?

That hardly seems fair. Why are you so eager to give up my income but not your own?

[pnwmom]

23. So what? You're voluntarily choosing to post them here for free.

However, there are other people who make written work available for a fee -- and that is their choice.

It is not your concern that they do so. They're entitled to keep the fruits of their labor, even if you choose to give yours away.

[Warren DeMontague]

6. I don't understand how folks can be both anti-intellectual property rights AND pro-censorship

I mean, you DO realize that some of that stuff those people are going to be sharing in this post-copyright utopia is going to be dreaded, exploitative images of womyn being oppressed in porn, right?


:shrug:

[undergroundpanther]

8. This particular topic has nothing to do with male privlege

But making people pay to exist is exploitation.

So go away.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. You do realize that you're making less than zero sense right now, no?

"Making people pay to exist"... how does that work, exactly?

And I hate to break it to you, but you're NEVER going to be able to censor all the stuff you don't like, or get people to stop wanting to be paid for their artistic work.

So you're CERTAINLY not going to manage to do both at the same time. :crazy:

[undergroundpanther]

12. I'm making alot of sense

You just can't think.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Uh, yeah

so everyone should be able to share music, movies, etc with absolutely no regards to the non-existent intellectual property 'rights' of the creators. Yet at the same time, you're somehow planning to get rid of all the pictures and films of consenting adults naked or fucking each other?

How's that gonna work, exactly?

[pnwmom]

22. Nobody has to pay to exist. However, we do have to work to exist.

When we're born into the world, someone has to work to take care of us. And, as adults, most of us have to continue to work to provide for our needs -- depending on our society, more or less in cooperation with others.

It isn't exploitation. It's just logic. Even in the hunter-gatherer days, it wasn't possible to exist without working.

[PETRUS]

17. Plenty of economists agree with you.

See my reply to pnwmom with a link for one who supports reducing patent and copyright protections.

[hunter]

27. Money and capitalism as we know it can't last.

Everyone needs to be thinking about alternative community based economic systems that rely on "pay it forward" systems of sharing and gifting, rather than federally enforced collections of debt.

It's very possible that being able to support oneself and others in a community without a stable national currency or functional national banking system is about to become a very necessary survival trait. For some of us it already is.

I don't think the 1% is ever going to give up their control of money in favor of "trickle up" economic systems where the people on the bottom of the pyramid create and control a great deal of non-monetized wealth. The one-percenters will continue to create debt instruments for things that are increasingly insubstantial, even as the rest of us begin to starve.

What is the value of an empty house that's been foreclosed upon? What is the value of an automobile that nobody can afford to buy gas for? What is the value of student loans or medical debts that can never be repaid?

This will be the one-percenter's downfall. They believe they are the engines of wealth creation, and it is becoming quite obvious to everyone else they are not.

It's very simple. If the 99% can't pay their debts, they don't. If the 99% have no money to buy stuff with, they don't.

It even applies to things like copyrights. Is a song really worth a dollar if the people most likely to listen to it don't have a dollar to spare?

I don't have a disposable income. My wife is not an economic dropout like I am yet, she likes to buy DVD movies, books, clothes, and art, but once our mortgage, medical bills, utilities, and kid's college expenses are paid, there's not much left. My wife and I have this internet connection for work. We currently don't have satellite or cable television. Our credit rating was destroyed by medical bills.

If I had some kind of disposable income, would I use commercial software and computers such as Microsoft Windows, Mac, or Photoshop? Would I buy music on iTunes? I don't know. I've been living so long on the outside of the conventional economy that it begins to look repulsive to me. I exist very much as a hunter-gatherer-maker in my personal life. I don't buy much of anything I see advertised because I figure if I needed it, they wouldn't be advertising it. I've never seen an ad for the bulk rice and beans or the fruits and vegetables I eat.

My computers and cars are resurrected from trash. I run open source software, Debian instead of Windows, Gimp instead of Photoshop. I buy art directly from artists, music directly from musicians. It's a wonderful week when my car sits in the driveway undriven gathering spider webs and lichens, and a wonderful month when I've avoided big box stores entirely.

Part of me wants to see our current economic system die, but I also know it won't be the one percenters who get hurt when it does.