Anybody else here have experience with LSD?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

Did it change the way you think? I for one, have never been the same. I bring this up because Bill Maher brought it up tonoight and I realised that, even though it has been over 40 years since I have indulged in that particular substance, it changed who I am. To this day, I see a bigger picture than most of the people around me. I just wonder how many people feel a similar experience?

[WilliamPitt]

1. .

:popcorn:

[OffWithTheirHeads]

I hope you're enjoying the popcorn.

[WilliamPitt]

26. Sorry

The :popcorn: emoticon has become synonymous with mockery. That was not my intent.

I was legitimately interested in seeing where this thread went.

Still am.

:smoke:

[Mira]

30. WOW - just learned something. I genuinely thought

a sitdown with popcorn icon meant:
"I am stopping in my tracks, chillin', and waiting to be entertained and educated".

I start popping when I think things will start poppin'.

[ellisonz]

48. What Will didn't realize was...

...that the butter was laced with LLLL----SSSSSSSSS---------DDDDDDDDDD.

:evilgrin:

[WilliamPitt]

49. ...waaaah .... aaaahhh ... yyyy ... diiii ... iiiddd't ...I ... get-et-et ju-ju-ju ... beeeeesss...

There is no spoon.

[ellisonz]

53. Medic! Medic! Meeeddddiiiiiccccc!!!!

:rofl:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

106. Don't eat the brown popcorn!

[gateley]

2. I took a LOT of it, and all I did was get high. nt

[HuckleB]

133. +1

Thanks for posting some reality!

[banned from Kos]

3. Once. I truly hated it. I would avoid the perspiration of anyone I thought

was on it after that.

Loved MDMA 1985-1990 though. Did a bucket of it.

[Odin2005]

124. I remember reading a while ago that MDMA positively affected brain wiring or something like that.

Can't remember the details, it was an interesting tidbit.

[PETRUS]

4. Some studies support that conclusion.

I.e., that various psychedelics produce lasting and positive personality changes. I'm think it's tricky to judge oneself in general, including assessing this.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

10. I'm not saying that it was positive ( though I think it is) I'm just saying that

I'm not the same person I used to be.

[PETRUS]

20. I'm prepared to believe you're right.

I think it probably changed me, too. I just don't know how to be certain. And I thought it was worth mentioning that some studies think the effect IS positive.

[Sirveri]

82. You know technically you're never the same person after everything.

The issue is the level of degree. I took anti-depressants, they're specifically designed to change my brain chemistry. I'm still the same person more or less. We're all flowing in a river of time, we will always be different people in the future. Death of a spouse/child, divorce, job loss, abuse, all these things change us. But we're still the same people, just more knowledgeable.

[surrealAmerican]

97. Nice post, Heraclitus.

I happen to agree. All life experience is life-changing experience.

[Blue_In_AK]

5. Absolutely it changed the way I think,

which is a good thing, in my opinion. I'm a huge fan. :hippie:

[RoccoR5955]

6. where do i start?

Well let's just say that it opened a whole other reality for me.
we got the good stuff from a reputable lab back in the day, not the crap that was cut with all sorts of stuff, and it was intense.
Other psychedelics were similar, but none as intense as the pure, clear LSD-25.
And let me tell you, I did all kinds of psychedelics, in all different environments.

[NYC_SKP]

7. Who's to say that you wouldn't "see a bigger picture" if you had never tried it, or maybe...

...you'd see an EVEN BIGGER picture if you'd have avoided it?

:shrug:

FWIW, it makes one seem more enlightened sometimes while high. I never thought it made a lasting difference but who knows?

Anything is possible!

:think:

[Bonobo]

9. Everything IS possible including the fact that you missed a big experience.

And that you don't want to FEEL like you did.

[NYC_SKP]

80. ?

:shrug:

i didn't miss anything...

[PETRUS]

15. I agree.

Personal testimony is interesting - and I like hearing it! - but I wouldn't know how to gauge its merit. Also, LSD users are mostly a self-selecting group and I imagine that would be something to take into account. Meaning, what sort of mind/personality would choose to do that vs. what sort of person would not.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

21. Interesting question. Why did I choose to try it while others didn't?

I donh't have an answer but it is an interesting question.

[PETRUS]

33. I wonder if anybody has studied THAT.

Shrinks have all kinds of personality tests. Surely someone could cross-reference and look for patterns.

[smoochpooch]

57. Yes! I'm so glad someone else feels this way, or has at least considered it.

IMO, the decision to ingest LSD is paramount; you have decided to defy society's warnings, threat of imprisonment, and the disdain of the community in order to take a chance on experiencing something new and possibly life-changing. Once you've done that, you've set yourself apart from everybody else who just can't bring themselves to defy those conventions for whatever reasons.

Of course, some people take acid just "to see cool shit" but I definitely made a conscious decision to open my mind with it, and I feel like I was rewarded for making that decision.

[InvisibleTouch]

142. No, it was never the fear of society's condemnation that held me back.

It was the fear of losing control of my own mind.

[PETRUS]

203. Yes.

I'd imagine on average, we are talking a more open-minded, experimental, risk-taking personality to begin with.

[jimlup]

24. I take it

You've done the marijuana thing but not strong hallucinogens? I don't think someone who had ever actually used LSD or the equivalent (marijuana is not) would say this.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

29. Oh dude, I ended uo in the Haight Street Clinic from an overdose

There is pretty much nothing I have not tried, but those days are over.

[jimlup]

127. Did you think you were an orange and that if anyone touched you then you would turn into orange juic

sorry - I couldn't help myself. Just relating one LSD overdose story I once heard from Haight-Asbury...

Peace

[NYC_SKP]

200. Is liquid acid a strong halucinogen? Paper/blotter?

shrooms?

:party:

[HuckleB]

136. You do realize that your entire post contains no meaning whatsoever, right?

And, no, not everything is possible.

[NYC_SKP]

143. Everything is possible, and nothing is possible.

Everything has meaning while nothing at all really has any meaning whatsoever.

Too much liquid acid from an eyedropper one night pulled over off 880 on the way to a Yes concert, maybe.

One drop intended, three drops came out.

:hi:

[HuckleB]

182. Only if you ignore reality.

[Arctic Dave]

8. Dock Landing Ships?

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4200&ct=4&tid=1000


Yeah, it was really to put it on your tongue though. ;)

[Arugula Latte]

11. Yes -- It involved magic undies, polygamy, no caffeine and the Osmonds

Oh wait, I think my dyslexia kicked in.

[renegade000]

14. spock did a little too much of it back in the day...

you know, when he was in the free speech movement at berkeley...

:-)

[postulater]

35. That was LDS, the Vulcan strain.

[MADem]

40. Ha! Shatner looks trim (he's probably wearing the old school version of Man-Spanx--Manx) nt

[tosh]

114. Ha!! That Trek movie was on teevee a couple of weeks ago...

and it was hilarious all these years later!:rofl:

[Blue_Tires]

122. well played!

[OffWithTheirHeads]

18. O.K. I will put you in the category "Never did that" Fair enough.

[Bennyboy]

12. Life changing for me (sometimes)

And others just a good time. people ask me why I think they way I do (deeply) and I now that it is the LSD that opened the door for me to think outside, around, over, under and through the box. Still take it and probably will til I die, at least once a year just to blow the old pipes out you know.

I prefer Mushrooms however and take them sort of regularly. And I cannot possibly tell you the deeply spiritual things that happen then.

[piratefish08]

91. yup!

[MrSlayer]

13. Oh yes.

You definitely see things differently. I did it a lot of times until I got to the point where I didn't want it anymore. I found the place I wanted to be. If that makes any sense.

[a la izquierda]

111. I think I completely understand what you're saying...

I enjoyed it when I did it and did see things totally differently. I have a distinct feeling that I tapped very deeply into my heritage in a way that I never could (and weirdly, only part of my ancestry, not the whole thing). But I got to the "enough" point and never took it again. And I don't think about taking it, either, though I have friends who do so regularly.

[Zorra]

16. Yeah.

Lots. Yes, it, and other reality altering substances, changed my perspective considerably.

Interesting stuff. It was really good for me.

Peace

[-..__...]

17. Lets ask an expert on the subject...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Twre6ItGEI

And I'll bet this was you... wasn't it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zgIzqgxFU&feature=related

:smoke:

[donco]

19. I guess it depends on

what part of the brain is damaged the most.

[jimlup]

25. Apparently you've bought into the propagaanda huh?

It doesn't cause brain damage. Actually it essentially does the opposite.

Sorry... good try. Thanks for playing.

[donco]

32. Nah, alcohol kills brain cells

what do you think that acid does to it? Better see a doc, maybe the damage can be…if not reversed perhaps stopped.

:toast:

[jimlup]

126. That's not the way LSD works...

It does it's work by blocking neurotransmitters but that blockage is temporary. Thus when the drug have been flushed from the brain by normal metabolism the biochemical and cellular state of the brain is the same though the "mind" is "changed" because it has experienced a non-normal state that isn't accessible to normal brains even through hallucinogens like marijuana or depressants like eythl-alcohol.

[Zorra]

42. It generally only damages the primitive reptilian part of the brain

that is responsible for generating unreasonable fear and subsequent ignorance and hatred of anyone or anything that is unusual.

The lysergic acid in LSD dissolves the primitive evolutionary reptilian holdover in the lining of the corpus callosum, allowing for exceptionally fluid and rapid communication and cooperation back and forth between the left and right hemispheres of the brain.

Interestingly, and in direct contrast, LSD has been often observed to generate intense, unreasonable fear in many people who have never used it.

[Blue_In_AK]

68. I hope that someone will give me a big hit of acid

when I'm on my deathbed. I can't think of a better way to go.

[timtom]

101. I haven't smoked or tripped since the early 80's.

But I have vowed that, if I should be declared terminal, I will immediately seek good, clean acid, strong pot, psilocybin and/or mushrooms.

You bet! And plenty of it!

[mahina]

96. Seriously? That is amazing.

How did you learn that? I'd love to read more, but I seem to be dripping out of my chair...

I would really like to read more though.

[Zorra]

117. Actually, only this part is documentable:

"Interestingly, and in direct contrast, LSD has been often observed to generate intense, unreasonable fear in many people who have never used it."

For the other parts, you just have to be there.
;-)

[Webster Green]

47. Perhaps you have links to research to back that zany assertion?

Not likely.

What a pantload! :rofl:

[donco]

52. sure as soon as you

provide a link proving that acid "doesn't cause brain damage. Actually it essentially does the opposite. "



Now excuse me while I Kill a few brain cells celebrating the Cards knocking off dubyas Rangers in the World Series.

[Webster Green]

56. Prove a negative? There is no evidence that it causes brain damage.

You are just making shit up.

[donco]

61. Speaking of making shit up

You did post this didn't you?

"doesn't cause brain damage. Actually it essentially does the opposite. "

Now go away, you're starting to kill the buzz.

[Webster Green]

158. Actually, I did not post that statement.

Check my posts in this thread. I never said that at all.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Hurr Durr

[Ignis]

172. Links for LSD causing brain damage, please.

[jimlup]

22. Yep

There is even a hypothesis in anthropology that some of humankinds key cultural steps were - at least in part - a result of psychotropic substances

[alfredo]

23. Seeing your mother "melt" will leave a scar. Actually weed

had more of an effect as far as changing how I experience the world around me.

Even the good trips hang around too long. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone with PSTD.

[hobbit709]

95. I know several Nam vets that took acid

Could be the setting and people around them at the time that helped them get rid of a lot of demons.

[alfredo]

113. I don't think there are many who can help guide another

through a trip. A trip lasts around 12 hours. Several of those hours can be really intense. It can be very exhausting.

[hobbit709]

118. I've done it more times than I can count on both sides of the trip.

[alfredo]

125. I've used it several times. Had some annoying trips, but

the last one was so good I decided it couldn't be better than that trip, so I never dropped again.

It started out with a concert featuring Zappa (Jean-Luc Ponty) years. King Crimson and the Mahavishnu Orchestra opened for him. I was with good friends, and that helped. That set the tune for the night. My trip was so good, I didn't really need a guide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFF4LS2Fh1w

[tridim]

27. I tried it about 6 times in college, it taught me a lot about life and creativity

I'm not sure it changed me, but it certainly gave me a big kick start. It definitely sticks with you later in life, in a good way. I sometimes think about it while writing music, it breaks creative barriers.

[Major Hogwash]

28. It's what made me leery of Leary.

Tune out, turn on, drop out.

What a message!!!

[GReedDiamond]

43. It is "turn on, tune in (not out), drop out"...

...there is a significant difference in meaning.

Turn ON

Tune IN

Drop OUT

...of the System which was brainwashing/killing millions.

ON EDIT: One more thing - Dr Leary, at his peak of notoriety, may have been about LSD, but LSD, as a molecule, is not about Dr Leary. Conflate the two at your own risk.

[Major Hogwash]

59. People who use the word "conflate" . . .

Should look up the term and use a different word.

[GReedDiamond]

63. Nice try to deflect...

...you are wrong. Your "Leary quote" is inaccurate.

ON EDIT: "Major Hogwash" indeed.

[Major Hogwash]

64. That's all you have . . .

is snarky comebacks about a nickname.

[GReedDiamond]

66. No, you were wrong in your original reply to the OP...

...and you attempted to deflect that when called on it, with your own version of snark.

You are still wrong, and obviously ignorant about psychedelics.

[Major Hogwash]

67. "I've used drugs for 40 years . . .

and I'm not an addict!"

:rofl:

[GReedDiamond]

69. Who are you quoting? It's not me...

...your FReeperish attempt to slander me does not elevate you. It works the other way.

"Major Hogwash" is the moniker you chose, not me. When your comments reflect that moniker, that is you, not me.

You should address your comments to topics and subjects you actually know something about.

[Electric Monk]

70. :-) nt

[Warren DeMontague]

85. Timothy Leary's Dead.

No, he's outside, looking in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_TbovyVOzs

[Major Hogwash]

119. Yup.

Him and Nixon.

[Warren DeMontague]

146. and leave it on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-aNAIo2v7k

[Major Hogwash]

166. I don't even watch those anymore.

YouTube is yesterday's news.

[Warren DeMontague]

168. Well, like the song says

you aint gonna learn what you don't want to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r73DKeXzPfI

[Major Hogwash]

171. Nothing to learn bud.

Seriously.

[Warren DeMontague]

179. I'm sure you're right

or something.

[piratefish08]

92. what a message!

:rofl: :rofl:

[Major Hogwash]

121. Ya had to be there

to get the full impact of the meaning.

[HuckleB]

134. +1

Narcissism defined.

[bvar22]

153. You should have listened to Leary's other message.

Question Authority & Think for Yourself.

That alone could have changed your life for the better.
(and a little acid could have helped)
:hippie:

[Major Hogwash]

167. Cuz blowing my brains out with drugs would have made me so hip with all the other kids on the block.

Not.

[tomp]

31. funny you should ask.

i just took on a patient (psychiatric inpatient) who reports to have taking hundreds of lsd trips about 40 years ago. he presents as blissfully whacked. i know he feels a similar experience.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

39. again, I have no results from this. I just think you have to think.

[tomp]

178. thinking is good.

btw, lsd was used by psychiatrists in the past and is experiencing something of a resurgence now.

[flamingdem]

34. I think it allows one to desconstruct social reality

combine that with the readings of anthropologist Lorne Eisley and you'll move to a yurt.

:hippie: :hippie: :hippie:

Then later you'll work to change society because what is behind the veil is truly worthwhile.

[cilla4progress]

50. Let's see --

took my share of LSD .. check

Lived in a yurt ... check

Working to change society ... CHECK!!

Oh my god -- I think I'm on the road to enlightenment! ;)

[Blue_In_AK]

71. Does a tipi count?

I lived in a tipi for a while. Sewed it up myself on a treadle sewing machine in the forests of Oregon.

[GReedDiamond]

36. When the sensory filters of the "normal" brain/mind...

...are left in standard operating condition, as most humans' brain operating systems are default-set from birth, and until death (under normal operating conditions), the worlds/dimensions/universes etc of blocked extrasensory stimulation are very rarely obtained without extreme forms of meditation and/or drug-induced hallucinogenic experience.

LSD is like a jump-starter for opening naturally filtered areas of brain activity which respond to much more subtle outside influences or stimulation beyond the "normal" parameters of sight/sound/smell/taste etc.

As a result, I believe that ("intelligent") "life" is a form of infinite energy, but that there is no "god" (or plural gods).

Maybe this is Morphogenetics/Morphic Resonance.

Also, in the late 1970s, I worked on a Last Gasp comic book called "Timothy Leary NEUROCOMICS", with Dr Leary and others.

[dionysus]

37. of course. next question?

:shrug:

[Electric Monk]

38. Steve Jobs would have agreed with you. I do, too.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2011/10/steve_jobs_implied_that_taking_lsd_made_him_more_creative_does_t.html

[Kennah]

41. Not that I can recall, but tuning in Faux News will make believe it's an LSD induced flashback

[FarLeftFist]

44. Took it. Loved it. Took it again. Completely opened my mind forever.

[NBachers]

45. Sure, I spend my days in the self-imposed template of physical reality by necessity

but I'm always aware of the remaining dimensions just beyond the borders of this template.

The template is self-imposed because I have a tendency to float off into the other non-workaday dimensions. It's fun, pleasant, and educational, but for me, it gets in the way of the "carrying water" behavior of the physical realm we've agreed to exist in at this point.

I can't drop any more. I get hung up on all the things I'm supposed to have done that I haven't.

But I'm still happy to acknowledge the part of myself that exists beyond the 3.3 dimension game board we're playing on.

So, yeah, my perspective is altered always and evermore.

[ooglymoogly]

46. It effects different people in different ways.

Some folks should never take hallucinogens, for others who are ready to face themselves head on, mind expansion is a common outcome.

Think who Steve Jobs was and you can see at least one side of the coin "the fabulous trip".

I could suggest some reasons for the other side of the coin as I have discussed this subject with many friends, two of whom were psychiatrists, but some might take it the wrong way.

A simple rule is; born again religious folks or anyone not living in reality, should not take hallucinogens.

There is also something else that effects the outcome and that of course, is quality of the drug.

The first time I took acid, it was a CIBA AG pharma capsule, I was in my 20's, in Rome and went to see Fellini's Roma. I experienced the "fabulous trip" that cemented my love for Rome...guiding the Lilly so to speak.

It was indeed a mind altering experience lasting well after dawn. After the Cinema, I wandered for the rest of the night throughout Rome, never tiring. Holding the bright summer moon on a string, I followed it around the city, where it took me to my favorite spots.

I ended up high in the Colosseum when the sun came, replacing the moon like the changing of the guard, and like a revelation, exposing the wonders around me for the first time.

[ellisonz]

51. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp184faWaus

So I stuck with hash and rum for another six months or so, until I moved into San Francisco and found myself one night in a place called "The Fillmore Auditorium." And that was that. One grey lump of sugar and BOOM. In my mind I was right back there in the doctor's garden. Not on the surface, but underneath -- poking up through that finely cultivated earth like some kind of mutant mushroom. A victim of the Drug Explosion. A natural street freak, just eating whatever came by. I recall one night in the Matrix, when a road-person came in with a big pack on his back, shouting: "Anybody want some L ... S ... D ...? I got all the makin's right here. All I need is a place to cook."

The manager was on him at once, mumbling, "Cool it, cool it, come on back to the office." I never saw him after that night, but before he was taken away, the road-person distributed his samples. Huge white spansules. I went into the men's room to eat mine. But only half at first, I thought. Good thinking, but a hard thing to accomplish under the circumstances. I ate the first half, but spilled the rest on the sleeve of my red Pendleton shirt ... And then, wondering what to do with it, I saw one of the musicians come in. "What's the trouble," he said.

"Well," I said. "All this white stuff on my sleeve is LSD." He said nothing: Merely grabbed my arm and began sucking on it. A very gross tableau. I wondered what would happen if some Kingston Trio/young stockbroker type might wander in and catch us in the act. Fuck him, I thought. With a bit of luck, it'll ruin his life -- forever thinking that just behind some narrow door in all his favorite bars, men in red Pendleton shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he'll never know. Would he dare to suck a sleeve? Probably not. Play it safe. Pretend you never saw it....

-Hunter S Thompson

[struggle4progress]

54. it's just like the white rabbit said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0

[SwampG8r]

55. lsd is for beginners dmt promotes travel through dimensions

[HipChick]

58. Go On

Tell me more..

[Electric Monk]

62. I've never tried it myself, but here are some links. ymmv

http://thespiritmolecule.com/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1340425/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a naturally occurring psychedelic compound of the tryptamine family. DMT is found in several plants,<3> and also in trace amounts in humans and other mammals, where it is originally derived from the essential amino acid tryptophan, and ultimately produced by the enzyme INMT during normal metabolism.<4> The natural function of its widespread presence remains undetermined. Structurally, DMT is analogous to the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-HT), the hormone melatonin, and other psychedelic tryptamines, such as 5-MeO-DMT, bufotenin, and psilocin (the active metabolite of psilocybin).



http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_writings1.shtml
The DMT Experience
by Terence McKenna
From "Food Of The Gods", pp. 257-260
What can be said of DMT as an experience and in relation to our own spiritual emptiness? Does it offer us answers? Do the short-acting tryptamines offer an analogy to the ecstasy of the partnership society before Eden became a memory? And if they do, then what can we say about it?

What has impressed me repeatedly during my many glimpses into the world of the hallucinogenic indoles, and what seems generally to have escaped comment, is the transformation of narrative and language. The experience that engulfs one's entire being as one slips beneath the surface of the DMT ecstasy feels like the penetration of a membrane. The mind and the self literally unfold before one's eyes. There is a sense that one is made new, yet unchanged, as if one were made of gold and had just been recast in the furnace of one's birth. Breathing is normal, heartbeat steady, the mind clear and observing. But what of the world? What of incoming sensory data?

Under the influence of DMT, the world becomes an Arabian labyrinth, a palace, a more than possible Martian jewel, vast with motifs that flood the gaping mind with complex and wordless awe. Color and the sense of a reality-unlocking secret nearby pervade the experience. There is a sense of other times, and of one's own infancy, and of wonder, wonder and more wonder. It is an audience with the alien nuncio. In the midst of this experience, apparently at the end of human history, guarding gates that seem surely to open on the howling maelstrom of the unspeakable emptiness between the stars, is the Aeon.

The Aeon, as Heraclitus presciently observed, is a child at play with colored balls. Many diminutive beings are present there--the tykes, the self-transforming machine elves of hyperspace. Are they the children destined to be father to the man? One has the impression of entering into an ecology of souls that lies beyond the portals of what we naively call death. I do not know. Are they the synesthetic embodiment of ourselves as the Other, or of the Other as ourselves? Are they the elves lost to us since the fading of the magic light of childhood? Here is a tremendum barely to be told, an epiphany beyond our wildest dreams. Here is the realm of that which is stranger than we can suppose. here is the mystery, alive, unscathed, still as new for us as when our ancestors lived it fifteen thousand summers ago. The tryptamine entities offer the gift of new language, they sing in pearly voices that rain down as colored petals and flow through the air like hot metal to become toys and such gifts as gods would give their children. The sense of emotional connection is terrifying and intense. The Mysteries revealed are real and if ever fully told will leave no stone upon another in the small world we have gone so ill in.

This is not the mercurial world of the UFO, to be invoked from lonely hilltops; this is not the siren song of lost Atlantis wailing through the trailer courts of crack-crazed America. DMT is not one of our irrational illusions. What we experience in the presence of DMT is real news. It is a nearby dimension-- frightening, transformative, and beyond our powers to imagine, and yet to be explored in the usual way. We must send fearless experts, whatever that may come to mean, to explore and to report on what they find.

[SwampG8r]

73. if i told you what i have seen you would think me mad

there are curtains and then there are curtains
be careful which ones you jerk open

[Bonobo]

79. I have been there as well.

And yes, it IS a place.

[SwampG8r]

163. did you notice anyone unusual?

i am leaving this as vague as possible so as to judge your response against my experience.

[Bonobo]

170. They were hiding.

They were bashful and didn't want to show themselves but I was aware of them. I think they were amused too.

[Blue_In_AK]

72. I haven't seen any of that in a really long time. n/t

[HuckleB]

131. So does religion.

Wha'ever.

[SwampG8r]

164. that you would make that comparison tells me you have no basis for it

[HuckleB]

183. Actually, it only means that you don't understand how ridiculous your claims are.

[EOTE]

206. And I assume you have a large amount of experience with the drug?

Because if you didn't, you'd certainly look like quite the ignorant ass.

[HuckleB]

228. Since you haven't actually read the thread, ignorance is all yours.

Of course, since you fail to understand the true meaning of ignorance, that means nothing at all.

[EOTE]

235. OK, so you're a mind reader now.

A semi-literate one at that. You haven't a fucking clue as to what I know. On the other hand, I've got a pretty good idea of what you don't know.

[EOTE]

236. And by the way.

I'd bet nearly everything I own that you've never touched DMT. I've met a lot of people with experience with the drug. Not a single one of them was such an insufferable douche.

[Ignis]

173. Elves!

:fistbump:

[Withywindle]

60. Yes, lots.

When I was in college in the late 80s/early 90s. So of course I didn't have the mythical "good stuff" that people who were young in the 60s wax poetic about, but still, even the weaker version that I used in my late teens and early 20s was still pretty goddamn amazing.

I feel lucky because (1) I had a beautiful landscape to trip in, full of trees and woods and lights. For me, beauty of surroundings is priority number 1 for a good trip; and (2) good companions, including people who were more experienced in tripping than me and were willing to guide; and (3) a safe space where we could gather and come down and talk and burn incense and smoke pot and listen to whatever music felt right to us.


I have had very good experiences, and the privilege of having those safe spaces for the roughly 12 hours an LSD trip takes was a very great gift to me. You bet it changed the way I think! It also changed the way I FEEL, and mostly for the better. No regrets whatsoever, and I'd honestly recommend it without reservation to most 20-year-olds, as long as they have the good conditions I did.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

65. Red Blotter, Orange Sunshine

and various others at 13 - 19 years of age. There were many episodes that opened my eyes.
Would love to discuss in a forum other than this.

:hippie:

[Major Hogwash]

75. They always give it cutesy names.

Like it's candy.
Like it's safe.

[Ichingcarpenter]

74. Yes, Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

John:

Well, in my humble opinion, we've become involved in Einstein's time-space continuum theory.



George:
All right.

John:

Relatively speaking, that is.

Watched Yellow Submarine the first time. Never had a bad trip and it helped me with my humour.

[timtom]

102. Had several bad trips

But I knew that ya just have to get back on that horse and ride! Really hairy episodes. But really amazing and beautiful ones too, which eclipsed the bad ones.

"Mr. TimTom, would you ever do that again, at your advanced age?"

"You bet your boots I would, Mr.!"

[BadGimp]

76. It had the same effect on me

36 years ago I experimented several times

it opened my way of looking at the world and things

[Kablooie]

77. Any studies on how it affects older people who try it for the first time?

[Ichingcarpenter]

78. This is a National Geographic Video on LSD

Which explains a lot
I found it pretty unbiased, its free and on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccMLw_iQ7XU


Huxley took it at a late age as have many other notable people.

[eridani]

81. Yes. First time lousy, subsequent times much better

The first time I made the mistake of toking first, enough to bet the munchies. Cherries, potato chips with salsa, cheeze and crackers, raw broccoli and other stuff that shouldn't go together. After the LSD hit, I violently puked for a couple of hours. LSD intensifies whatever you are experiencing, and puking your guts out isn't one of those things you want intensified.

Later I was warned by more experienced people to take the stuff on an empty stomach, and go for reduced dosages. A number of good experiences with great set and setting. No changes in the order of the universe or anything, though. I found it mildly annoying that you really are on board for 8-12 hours or so, whether you want to be or not. I was expecting similarity to MJ, and that is very far from the case. I was used to "maintaining" on pot, i.e. coming down from the high when I felt like it, or when I had to deal with mundane affairs. Maybe I'm too much of a control freak to get the maximum effect from it.

[onethatcares]

83. it didn't so much change the way I thought

but it did change the way I looked at the outside world.

I don't have words to describe and words alone could not describe my view.

I'm 60ish now and don't think my mind could handle another ride but when I was in my 20s it was my weekend recreational drug of choice.

Along with mescaline, peyote, psyllocibin mushrooms, hash, and pot. Jeeez, I should be a rock by now

[babylonsister]

88. lol!

:thumbsup: Me, too. :D

[onethatcares]

93. real story

I was in the army stationed at ft richardson and one night I had fire fighting duty. That's where you get to go and fight forest fires if one starts, never happens, ever.

myself and a friend took two hits of some purple whatever and an hour later bingo, forest fire. so they load us in armored personnel carriers, drive us through exploding trees make us get out and try to put this thing out with indian cans and entrenching tools. needless to say, that didn't work too well.so we threw our gear down and got back in the apc.

upon returning to base, my buddy decided to tell the XO that the military was just a corporate hierarchy with globalist ambitions,

he got shipped out to ft carson colo, I got to go to the rap center.

I guess you had to be there to appreciate it.

[Blue_In_AK]

128. How did you like Alaska?

[onethatcares]

159. I loved it.

back in the early 70s it was really nice. I lived on government hill for a year, then moved to Mountain View.

We used to go to Portage Glacier and Homer on weekends, had friends in Soldotna,Kenai and a few other places north of Anchorage. Back then I had friends that had homesteaded land outside of Wassilla and had a cabin there. No power, no running water, just peace and quiet.

Sheep Mountain was a neat view to a flatlander too.

One time my van got stuck on the beach near Kenai as the tide came in, and boy did it come in fast. We had 5 or 6 people that just picked it up and moved it enough to get traction.

I don't miss the cold though, and at this point in life my bones couldn't take it again.

[KG]

84. Sweetleaf, when I first met you, you open up my mind....

MJ and LSD. two great great tastes that taste great together...

[Warren DeMontague]

87. Yes, I spent a lot of time on it, back in my youth

I mean the road

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0saZiLV7-7E




of course. ;-) :hippie:

[WCGreen]

89. Since most of the stuff I did back in the day was made in some Hippies

bathtub I would have to say not much...

I laughed a lot, caught my mind wondering all over the place and then saw some shit that wasn't there.

Mostly a fun place to go when I was a bored teenager living deep in the bosom of suburbia...

I mean really, when all you have is three channels of entertainment to choose from, what can you expect...

[piratefish08]

90. mushrooms - psilocybin - changed and continue to change my world view

[hobbit709]

94. Once you've tripped, the world is never the same.

Even Dr. Albert Hofmann said that.

[alterfurz]

109. more from Dr. Hoffman

[HuckleB]

130. BS.

[hobbit709]

147. What does it all mean, Mr. Natural?

[HuckleB]

184. It means mostly nothing.

It's just another substance that affects the central nervous system.

Reality has nothing to do with it.

[Zorra]

192. HuckleB, have you ever tried LSD? And if not,

how can you make judgments on how it affects others?

Is it because your religion tells you that the life changing experiences they had from ingesting LSD can't be real or something?

[HuckleB]

193. Yes, I have.

And no one needs to have tried it to know that it does not do what the OP claims.

Religion is an interesting thing, but it's not that interesting. Same goes for substances that affect the CNS.

[Zorra]

195. Apparently, you were not affected positively like many others were, and are.

Peyote was used in the territory of modern Mexico in pre-Columbian times to commune with the spirit world and also as a medicine. From the mid-15th century, the use of peyote spread to the Great Plains area of the United States primarily through the efforts of the Apache, Navajo, Plains Tribes, and various tribes in the western United States. Peyotism is now practiced in more than 50 Native American tribes and has probably around 250,000 adherents.<1><2>
snip---
For some chapters of the Native American Church, the peyote ritual begins at sundown on a Saturday and continues through the night. The ritual includes prayer, the eating of peyote, Peyote songs, water rituals, and contemplation. It ends with breakfast Sunday morning. The peyote ritual is believed to allow communion with Holy deity or spirits, and to give power, authority, guidance, and healing. The healing may be emotional or physical, or both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church

[HuckleB]

197. Apparently I wasn't affected by religion either.

Enjoy it. But don't pretend that it give you special knowledge or perspective.

That's baloney.

[Zorra]

201. I can only say that certain substances changed my perception of what

reality is, and I am glad they did, because my horizons expanded very quickly after my first experience. I began to question everything I believed, and had been taught. I'm still in this process. But the original shift in my consciousness was profound.

I realized that I didn't really know anything, but only believe things that seem to be true, from my own perspective, and that I cannot say what is true for others. I have found this perspective to be a good thing for me throughout my life, helped me to be more tolerant, open minded, compassionate, and subsequently, a happier person. Many other people have had experiences with hallucinogenic substances somewhat similar to mine, and come to similar conclusions, and we share a similar perspective to some extent.

Judging from this thread, and from the fair amount of literature written on the subject, as well as other forms of information, it appears to me that many people have had life changing experiences that they attribute to the action of "hallucinogenic" substances that they have ingested.

Apparently, these substances did not affect you in the same way. Maybe you didn't need them to? You had a different experience with them than we did. And you are not alone in having had a different experience than we did. Hallucinogenic substances apparently affect different people differently, who knows why.

And that's fine, and I hope that you are having an awesome, happy life experience also.

Peace

[ieoeja]

212. I only really knew one guy well who did it.

Made the same claim. Said it made him a better computer programmer among other things.

In our reality I saw his work fall steadily apart until he wasn't really getting anything done. In his reality the rest of us were simply too limited to accept the brillance of everything he was doing that failed to actually do anything it was supposed to.

I was the last known person to see him alive when he stopped by my house at 1:00am begging for money yet again. Claimed "they" were going to kill him if I didn't. I offered him a couch and protection instead of money. He refused, left, and friends and family have heard nothing of him since.

[Zorra]

216. 20 Most Notable LSD Users of All-Time...Steve Jobs?

That's a sad story you relayed. I wonder if Steve Jobs' co-workers viewed him the same way. From all appearances, he seemed to be kind of sort of totally brilliant. (Maybe if you hate macs and are a devoted PC user I guess you might not agree). But, then again, who knows how much more brilliant the poor guy could have been if LSD had not so tragically damaged his brain?

I'd guess your former co-worker had some previous serious problems going on and should not have taken LSD. Some people shouldn't take it. I knew someone that had a serious psychological disorder that took LSD and thought garbage cans were following him around. Conservatives in particular usually can't handle it because they often have fear based consciousnesses. In my experience, conservatives almost universally have bad experiences with LSD. Anyone that is often fearful in their daily life and is afraid to do hallucinogenics should not do them. It is probably a good idea for anyone using any hallucinogenic substance for the first time to be prepared and accompanied by a person that they trust who is experienced with the substance and they should take it in a comfortable setting. I would advise anyone that I thought was unstable to never use hallucinogenic substances. If you are afraid and not sure you can handle what seems to be an alternate perspective on reality, then don't take hallucinogenic substances.

It seems that many creative, imaginative minds seem to have no negative effects, or to actually benefit, from LSD. This is actually just a short list of some of the LSD users that have made major contributions to art, science, and technology. Particularly the arts.

1. Ray Charles
2. Eric Clapton
3. Chris Farley
4. Fat Boy Slim
5. Doc Ellis
6. Jerry Garcia
7. Bill Hicks
8. Steve Jobs - is “one of the two or three most important things I’ve done in my life” – Steve Jobs
9. John Belushi
10. Kevin Smith
11. Eminem
12. Jack Nicholson
13. Cary Grant
15. Angelina Jolie
17. Francis Crick- (Discovered the double helix and gave credit to LSD for paving the way to its discovery)
18. Aldous Huxley
19. & 20. Trey Parker & Matt Stone

http://coedmagazine.com/2011/05/14/20-most-notable-lsd-users-of-all-time/

Really, it's very sad about the apparent misfortune of your former co-worker. Hopefully, he simply dropped out of the system and is living in complete bliss on a tropical island somewhere.

[Le Taz Hot]

98. Lots.

And I loved it but, no, it didn't change the way I think. Then again, I've always thought about things differently than most of the rest of the world.

[annabanana]

99. Quick note to anyone thinking of trying it:. . .

Do NOT do it frivolously, or in concert with any other "recreational substances". And be careful how you pack your bag for the trip. Be in a safe, comfortable place with people you know and trust. (At least one of whom has some traveling experience if possible)

It can be wonderful or terrible.. kind of up to you.

[B Calm]

100. First time I did it was in the Navy. I highly recommend doing it out at sea

in the middle of the ocean to experience the bigger picture.

[OxQQme]

103. Burning Man

Several years ago.
Midnight.
No moon.
Animal cracker. (monkey)
Huge drum circle around an enormous bonfire.
Fire dancers on stilts.
Squadron of bicycles with glow sticks interwoven in spokes.
Playing cards 'buzzing' against spokes.
Can't see (no moon) more than five feet.
Like a swarm of bees we were.
Found our way to the hot spring pond (the 'old' site).
Became wrinkled raisins floating in the darkness.

Loved it!
I was about 60 yrs old then.
Was my first LSD.
Not a stranger to 'shrooms or the ganja tho.

[Dover]

110. Burning Man AND LSD? Seems a little redundant...

:P

[redqueen]

104. I'll just put this here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/23/lsd-ecstacy-health-benefits

[Dover]

105. I recently heard that Steve Jobs did LSD

In fact his/my whole generation were looking for "it" in a variety of places. For many 'it' went hand-in-hand with
seeking in the spiritual sense. Either naturally and/or through drugs many awakened to an awareness of alternative
realities and nondualism. And so Steve Jobs, along with the Beatles and many others, also explored Buddhism and Eastern religions,
coming away with an altered sense of what we have defined as reality. People like John Lilly discovered a more natural approach
akin to deep meditation when he created the sensory deprivation floatation tank. Historically I suppose people retreated into caves while native cultures used ritual dance, peyote, etc. So this longing to reach altered states and open doors within, was not unique to our generation by any means.

Essentially it was about breaking down the boundaries that separate us from a more direct experience of ourselves, each other and confirmation, first hand, of the divine cord that connects all that is. It was a step toward opening, elevating and deepening our consciousness. And then what to do with this new knowledge? The necessity to express these extraordinary experiences within the bounds of material reality gave birth to a Renaissance in music and all of the arts and sciences. Books like The Tao of Physics and The Zen And The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, summarize the confluence of thoughts and experiences of the time for me. But there are so many areas where we can see it's creative manifestation.

I was one of those whose seeking did not involve drugs as I felt these places within were readily available to all of us without the use of drugs, and that the new knowledge was then more integrated and lasting.


Here's the info on Steve Jobs
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/226888/20111007/steve-jobs-death-2011-ashram-counterculture-apple-ii-seven-things-you-didn-t-know-about-stevejobs-ar.htm

[laruemtt]

107. i'd say i had already been changed more

by earthgrown stuff (mushrooms, hawaiian woodrose seeds) and meditation than by LSD, which i took once, given to me by a hypnotist who highly touted it. i had always sworn i wouldn't take any hallucinogens that were man-made ad not from the earth. ended up losing like 10 pounds overnight (was a raw-food vegan at the time and didn't have it to lose). just found it a rather violent shake to the psyche as compared to the softer gentler mind-bending of the earthgrown stuff.

[EOTE]

156. You find HBWR seeds less harsh than LSD?

If I do 5 or 6 HBWR seeds, I tend to feel really ill afterward, even if I do a cold water extraction. I guess they just don't agree with me much. I've done rather large doses of LSD with very few ill effects. I greatly prefer LSD to HBWR seeds or Morning Glories.

[laruemtt]

162. you do get that sickness from hell feeling with

the HBWR, but if you wait it out (as if there's a choice?!), i definitely preferred the "high".

[polly7]

108. Only once.

I didn't know what it was, but took it anyway. Half an hour later we were stopped and taken in for a strip-search, so I don't think I enjoyed it as much as I should have.

[robdogbucky]

112. Want to read an account of a teacher dosed w/LSD?

This was posted here a couple years ago. From my research, this really happened. It is an accurate description of what a trip is like. Lucky for him he was a veteran of the psychedelic era:


Field Trippin'

One high school teacher's account of a trip he didn't mean to take

By John Moss


We were barely past MacArthur when I felt it beginning to take hold. It was a big Friday for me, taking 40 students on a walking field trip to our local bookstore, then a tour of the Community Center and, if there was enough time, a little sit-under-a-tree-and-read time for the students in the Plaza.

I was in my 10th year of teaching in the only alternative high school in the town of Sonoma. Fall semester I was teaching English, algebra, science and art to students who usually hate each of those subjects. My primary task was engagement: get the kids understanding why knowledge is power and why they should give a shit, and then fill in the blanks as they appear.

It was the beginning of the year, and my office manager had informed the staff two weeks ago that we suddenly had $4,000 to spend. "But spend it fast," she warned, "because you never know." Budget distribution in the district frequently means no money for long periods of time, then a big wad to be spent within two weeks before it disappears into another pot. I quickly scheduled a Friday walking field trip to Readers' Books, telling each student they had $15 to spend on a book of their choice. The only catch was that they would have to complete a book report. It's an excellent way to spend $600, as most of my students have never been in a bookstore, much less bought or read a book of their own.

At first I felt lightheaded, like I hadn't eaten anything or was out in the sun too long. Then I started noticing my legs. It felt like each step I took was propelling me up into the next. It was like I was walking on a brand-new track, only five times as springy. I noticed my whole body bouncing up and down. Something was amiss...



http://www.metrosantacruz.com/metro-santa-cruz/01.28.09/features-0904.html



When the men on the Chessboard....

[B Calm]

137. What a low down dirty trick by the student, but wow what an incredible story!

[H2O Man]

115. A couple thoughts ....

Context is important. This includes:

- Ingesting one of the numerous LSD-like drugs can be very different if one is:
a) taking part in a religious ceremony
b) at a great concert
c) alone in a Chicago apartment, watching a rat scamper across the floor
d) alone, care-free, hiking in the mountains


-- Ingesting something else
a) by the mid-to-late 1970s, actual LSD was available, but other substances of very different qualities were often sold as LSD
b) unsuspecting victims were often sold drugs laced with a placebo

[Le Taz Hot]

176. Can I add an "e"?

e) in your 7th Period High School Science class. Instructor was talking about chickens and eggs and reproduction and I started thinking about naked chickens which threw me into a fit of hysterical, uncontrollable laughter, making me look, for all intents and purposes, like a complete lunatic to everyone else, then THEY started laughing which, in turn, pissed off the teacher who then invited me to go outside until I could stop laughing. I didn't bother going back in that day.

[Tom Rinaldo]

116. Yes, but not for a long time. It had a profound effect on me

I don't regret a single dose although some of my uses of it were foolish and I should have known better at the time. It is powerful and I knew it then. Usually I took it with respect for its power and with an awareness that there was always a risk involved. For me, in my opinion, what I gained more than justified the risks taken, but that is not always the case for everyone. Never approach LSD lightly if you approach it at all.

[Strelnikov_]

120. Hashent changed mee none somm grooovy ttrps

Must sine off as rush iss comcomcoming ohgodohgodohgodohgod$5#%*@+=!.

[Arkansas Granny]

123. I never did it myself, but I was around people who did. Sometimes they

tried to explain how it felt, but I guess it's something you really have to experience yourself. I also saw a few who had bad trips and that pretty much scared me from trying it.

[HuckleB]

129. Yes, a dozen times or so. No, it did not change the way I think.

If it did, then I guess actual evidence would not mean much to me.

Further, it just might be that the "bigger picture" you think you see is actually a smaller picture than what others see.

[SomethingFishy]

132. Acid is for certain types of people.

As you can probably tell by which posters had bad experiences. The biggest problem is you get people who take it and can't deal with that much truth and insight all at once. They give the drug a bad name.

You can achieve the same level of awareness through years of meditation, but many people are not built to step into that state instantly.

Anyone who tells you that "Acid is bad" "drugs are bad" needs to be speak for themselves. It's not the drugs, it's the person doing them.

As far as my experiences go I took a shitload of acid when I was young and it completely changed the way I look at things. For me personally it made me a better person, a better musician and a better husband and father. Too bad not everyone will get out of it what I did.

The stuff people do now is crap, I'd say half the potency. Plus you get a lot of kids doing X which is basically Johnsons Baby Acid. You get a buzz and a slight increase in awareness but no real psychedelic experiences. If you want the full bore "awakening" in the 21st century you will need Mushrooms or Peyote.

[HuckleB]

138. "Truth and insight."

:rofl:

I love religion. Sort of.

PS: I love the "good old days" twist you're pushing, too. Man, that's rich.

[SomethingFishy]

148. Yeah you are a clueless fuck aren't you...

maybe you should take your religion and shove it up your ass. I worship no one. I relayed the conclusions I got from the personal experiences I had and need no shit for brains comments from someone who has no fucking idea what they are talking about.

You are one of the people I mentioned. You shouldn't be allowed anywhere near good drugs.

[Blecht]

165. Love this response

:thumbsup:

[HuckleB]

180. Yet, your post is all about religion.

You don't know shit about good drugs, btw.

Try again.

[SomethingFishy]

186. LMAO... yeah right... keep talkin kid

you are doing my job for me. And stay away from "good drugs" they aren't for you.

On second thought if think what I posted has anything to do with religion maybe you do need some drugs.. :rofl:

[HuckleB]

187. You think you're doing something besides offering up religious BS?

Now that's funny.

:rofl:

"Kid."

:rofl:

"Wow! I found something that makes my central nervous system do interesting things! Yeah, that makes my view of the world so much bigger!"

Uh huh.

:rofl:

[EOTE]

207. Your nervous system could really stand to do some interesting things.

You know, like think objectively for once in your life. Come to think of it, I'm not sure there are any drugs powerful enough. The sad thing is, you have no idea how much of a smarmy, arrogant ass you come off as to others.

[HuckleB]

226. Whoops!

Someone's nervous is a bit too defensive. It looks like nothing has helped you so far.

[EOTE]

234. Ummm, could you repeat that in English?

That seems to be the default language of this board, you might want to learn it.

[LanternWaste]

242. That's about the most self-validating and self-serving statement I've read all week

"The biggest problem is you get people who take it and can't deal with that much truth and insight all at once..."

That's about the most self-validating and self-serving statement I've read all week. In effect, you've simply said, "those who don't hold the same opinion as me can't handle my interpretation of truth and insight..."

I imagine we should all speak for ourselves... regardless of what our anecdotal opinions are. :shrug:

[Hamlette]

135. It did not change the way I think

Did some in my youth, and like many here it was 35-40 years ago. I liked 'rooms much better and pot was my fav.

I'm curious as to why some say it did change the way they think. Maybe its because I was raised in a very liberal household so opening my mind was not a big problem.

[DemocratAholic]

139. frightening experience

i tried it 2 times, first time i did half a hit, second time i did an whole hit.

first i would say it was a terribly frightening experience. the only reason i tried a 2nd time was because i had not had a full dose the first time and didn't realize how powerful it was.

after you take it, you have to deal with whatever comes over the next 12 or even 24 hours. there is no turning back and you have no control over what happens except perhaps your reaction to it.

having said all that, i would say that there was a certain kind of enlightenment that came from doing it. i felt somewhat psychic while i was on it, thoughts came to my head about other people that i later found out to be true.

did it change the way i think? i don't think there was any permanent effect. however, in some other people who have done it a lot i have seen what seems to me to be permanent brain damage. i don't think any benefit outweigh the risks, and i would never do it again.

[Capitalocracy]

140. Are you a cop? You have to tell me if you're a cop.

The changes in my mentality that accompanied my experimentation with consciousness expansion (not necessarily a cause-effect thing, but whatever) is that before I thought getting into politics was a useless waste of time and you don't have the power to change anything and all you can do is just try to stay under the radar and survive.

Now I feel you have to fight for what's right, even if you can't win, although I think we can win, even if the changes we create may not be noticeable in our lifetimes.

[InvisibleTouch]

141. Never had the nerve to try it, even though it was offered to me once.

Even though I was intrigued, the concept of losing control, being unable to tell reality from hallucination, felt unsafe to me.

I know there are those who say it changed their perspective on life and opened up their creativity and their way of thinking - including Steve Jobs, so I can't argue that it could be effective in a positive way - but I have also heard experienced meditators say they achieve the same insights and delights without external chemical help. One spiritual teacher was finally convinced by his friends to try LSD because the experiences he reported sounded so much like an LSD trip to his friends, and they thought he might benefit. So he finally went ahead and tried it, but found it distinctly unsatisfying - very harsh and forceful and unpleasant in comparison to the "real thing." So it seems to me a cheap and possibly dangerous shortcut to the experience of expanding your mind ... the gastric bypass surgery as opposed to healthy diet and exercise, if you will.

[spanone]

144. Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Nam Myoho Renge Kyo Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

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[graywarrior]

145. Hell, yeah.

[flamingdem]

196. Fabulous kitty hallucination! nt

[MrMickeysMom]

198. Oh, that's good!

[myrna minx]

220. My god, the lol cats are *everywhere*.

:rofl:

[Name removed]

149. Deleted message

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[Warren DeMontague]

150. "Doc Ellis and the LSD No-No"

Classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14

[Quixote1818]

151. It did not change the way I think at all. nt

[hwmnbn]

152. It was the best thing that ever happened to me...

It expanded my consciousness by shattering the "illusion" of sensory based reality.

It blew my fucking mind and I've been tolerant and inquisitive ever since.

...best thing that ever happened to me.

[kwassa]

154. LSD was the most fun drug I ever did.

At the same time, I reached a point with it where I never felt the need to do it again.

It did not expand my consciousness, it did give me some amazing sensory experiences. LSD was hugely entertaining in several different contexts. I am a visual artist, so the visuals were enough in and of themselves. I never had a negative experience.

One of the parts I liked the most was coming down from the trip, where I would just feel so GOOD. A state of bliss and well-being that went on for a long time.

[bvar22]

155. Many times in the late 60s.

I never had a "bad" trip,
but a couple were frightening.

Having the material planet dissolve,
falling through the center of the earth,
and then floating through Space & Time can be scary.

Incredible adventures from the comfort of an armchair,
though sometimes the chair is left behind for a while,
I always came back,
but always changed by the experience.

It was a profound.

A better title of the thread would be,
"Have you ever been experienced?"

Well, I have.




"If you can just get your mind together
Then come on across to me
We'll hold hands and then we'll watch the sunrise
From the bottom of the sea

But first, are you experienced?
Have you ever been experienced?
Well, I have

I know, I know you probably scream and cry
That your little world won't let you go
But who in your measly little world
Are you trying to prove that
You're made out of gold and, eh, can't be sold

So, are you experienced?
Have you ever been experienced?
Well, I have

Let me prove you...

Trumpets and violins I can hear in distance
I think they're calling our names
Maybe now you can't hear them, but you will
If you just take hold of my hand

Oh, but are you experienced?
Have you ever been experienced?
Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful..."
--- Jimi Hendrix

[nashville_brook]

157. same as you -- exactly.

[HuckleB]

185. Fiction is fun, isn't it?

Ever read "Cloud Atlas?"

[McCamy Taylor]

160. LSD only increases awareness of things that are already there.

For instance, pupil size increases and decreases slightly with each breath as the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems are activated. The enhanced awareness of LSD makes the brain think that the lights are rhythmically become brighter and dimmer and that shapes are changing because pupil size affects focus, too. Going to the bathroom also activates the parasympathetic system, so you may experience visual "hallucinations" in the bathroom that are not really hallucinations at all. Even getting hungry can affect the way you see things via the same mechanism.

LSD makes you more aware of emotions that you may be ignoring. So, if you secretly hate your dad, when you are tripping you may have an OMGIhatemydad! moment that is very scary (because we deny emotions that scare us).

LSD can "change" you by making you more aware of how important perception is to reality. It probably makes it easier to reach deep meditative states, because, like biofeedback, it makes you more aware of slight physical changes in your body that are associated with relaxation or excitation. It does not cause chromosome damage and I have never met anyone who had a "flashback", i.e an involuntary unwelcome LSD trip years later. Most people I know who have taken LSD eventually lose interest because the effects are so predictable.

If you want to see things that are not there, try LSD, marijuana, music and closed eyes.

[HuckleB]

227. Nope.

[MedleyMisty]

161. I haven't

But I have been told that I don't need drugs because my brain does it on its own. A friend with lots of experience with drugs, including acid, told me that people do drugs to be like how I am naturally.

This was after I asked him if he'd ever just looked around at everyone else when he was at the grocery store or something and realized how much he loved all living beings.

[Rex]

169. My hovercraft is full of eels.

[sibelian]

174. In my youth, many, many times. and...

I am not going to take it again, ever.

[Tabasco_Dave]

175. It made my house shrink. n/t

[sendero]

177. Yes..

... I only took it a dozen times or so and never the huge everything-is-melting doses.

That said, it seemed to me that it helped me see through the many delusions I was imbued with in my youth.

It would probably be scientifically dubious to measure any lasting effects, I don't think it changed my personality but it definitely changed the way I interpreted events in my life.

[HuckleB]

181. Not bloody likely.

[sendero]

188. Says...

..... the inexperienced.

[HuckleB]

190. Bzzt. Wrong.

Try the real world. Fantasy is fun, but that's all it is.

[ellisonz]

202. That's your opinion, man.

;-)

[pipi_k]

189. Honestly, I don't mean to mock, but...

just about everyone I've been with who used LSD thought they were uttering the most fascinating, intelligent, and earth-shaking words ever uttered in the history of the world.

I wasn't on anything at the time, and all I could make out was that they were spewing unintelligible bullshit.

Sort of like how drunks think they're funny/sexy/great dancers/whatever and all the sober people around them are thinking, "My god, what a damned FOOL! Let me out of here!"

Anyway, no...I never tried it.

I have smoked pot and hash, in the distant past, and all that happened was that I got high, and pretty paranoid. Not sure if it's the same, but there ya go.

And if I see things a little differently from most other people, it's because my mind has always been a little...strange.

[Tom Rinaldo]

205. It's very hard to report LSD induced insights in real time...

...sort of like trying to sketch a three dimensional picture in the air with your finger - it doesn't translate well. But for those who experience one or more profound ones, the changes that happen are internal and can shift your perception of many previously internalized so called truths about life and society permanently.

P.S. Pot was very different for me. I often felt a little paranoid if I used it so I stopped.

[pipi_k]

209. I understand....

I have the same problem trying to describe what it is I see in my mind when I hear music. Words just don't suffice, and I don't even try.


The issue I have is when people think that their experiences with drugs somehow makes them above everyone else in awareness or whatever it is. Like they're special. The Chosen Ones.

[Tom Rinaldo]

222. I understand also

Insights are just that, insights. There is always more than one way to gain them. It's not the drug that makes anything special, it's whether or not something truly special is gained from an experience, whatever that experience might be.

[Major Hogwash]

225. Did you see that one Saturday Night Live skit concerning Gary Busey?

"I fell asleep in my satellite dish and when I woke up I had the ability to smell colors."

:rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

191. Mmm.

http://www.thetao.info/quote/tao5395.htm

[Major Hogwash]

204. Ummm . . .

Is it important to you?

[Warren DeMontague]

217. I've already answered you, several times.

You don't get any more of my precious pearls of wisdom until you digest what I've already told you.



You're welcome to enjoy this McRib while you wait, though.

[Major Hogwash]

223. You are strange.

Aren't you?

Mueha-ha-ha!

But, I don't see how it is important.
I must have been dreaming.

[Warren DeMontague]

224. perhaps I am a 3 dimensional apple

and ye are just a flatlander.

[flamingdem]

194. ** Important ** the trip depended on the quality of the acid !!

A lot of it was cut with speed but the GOOD stuff caused major visual happenings
and "realizations".

We were hitchhiking, remember when that was cool, and a COP picks
us up and he ........ turned into a pig! Talk about stifling laughter.

That was good stuff.

Also, many people became artists as a result of psychedelics.
I think the 60s and counterculture was essentially spawned by it.

And the computer graphics-tech industry was pioneered by a lot of psychelic heads in CA.

maybe in the end it wasn't all that but it amounts to additional accelerant in a rich time.

[MrMickeysMom]

199. Grand Funk Railroad concert...

Having the sensation of having chicken legs when standing and saying... "whhhooooooo-whoooooo!"

International House of Pancakes afterwards... too much laughing... waitress must have wished us all to hell....

Incredible teeth grinding....

Sweating greasy oil ...

Then, there was the time someone brewed up a huge batch of magic mushrooms.... no appreciation of "dose" and therefore, a whole glass of "tea" instead of about 250 mL ... Uh-oh....

Did you ever have a real conversation with a toilet and think everyone had died while playing a game of cards that you would never understand?

Me neither....

[unionworks]

208. Inna Gadda Da Vida

Hu-nay, dontcha know that I luuuv you....:rofl:

[Iggo]

210. Yes.

Anybody else has, man.

[unionworks]

211. under the proper conditions

Acid sets your mind free. And once you've been free like that, you become very aware of just how unfree you really are in this society. It can be a very real gateway to personal liberation. It also will amaze you by showing you how sillly most of the games people play really are, it does so in a playful, mocking manner. All of the above are the reasons the ptb hate psychedelics and why they will never be legal. For further info, listen to Moody Blues "Ride My See-Saw:hippie:

[ieoeja]

213. I was on LSD several times last week.

Foster to LSD to Randolph to Columbus, and I'm in the Millenium Park garage in no time. LSD usually makes for a much shorter commute.

And, yes, it does usually make me feel smarter. Especially right around Irving Park where traffic comes to a screeching crawl because you have very small hill -and- a gradual turn simultaneously. I grew up in hill country and have to say that these flatlanders in Chicago can *not* drive worth shit.

[unionworks]

214. A Warning

It's been 40 years since I had the experience, but this I can tell you. LSD. Mescaline, and mushrooms are NOT "recreational drugs". They should be approached with great respect and humility. They can be extremely dangerous and unpredictable in the wrong hands. The Acid Queen doesnit suffer fools for long.

[KittyWampus]

215. LSD uses a crowbar to forcibly jack open a door in the mind that is best opened with a key.

It forces open a door that is most productively done slowly and gently over time.

It's mainly an issue of control and utility.

Any states experienced using LSD can be had without ever using it.

[HuckleB]

230. Uh, no.

It's just a drug.

[Ichingcarpenter]

231. No its not just a drug... wrong

Obviously you are ill informed and make simplistic statements.

[EOTE]

237. Aspirin saved my life by preventing a fatal heart attack.

Uh no, it's just a drug. Of course you're so dense as to not know that drugs can do many amazing things. Do you have any idea how incredibly stupid you sound? Uh no, I'm quite sure you don't.

[Ichingcarpenter]

240. The structure of DNA was discovered while under LSD

which I think qualifies as an insight.

[EOTE]

243. I would say so.

And that's not the only discovery made under the influence of LSD. People who dismiss the great things that have occurred under the influence of LSD because it's "just a drug" are completely missing the point. Drugs can be both very beneficial and very harmful. To think that drugs can't do great things is simply asinine.

[Ichingcarpenter]

245. It is not a toy and some must have

a guide or companion for the journey

It is not for the weak minded.

[Wait Wut]

218. Years and years ago.

But, nope. Didn't change a thing. The only "bigger picture" I remember is watching the autumn leaves turn to water and pushing my best friend to the ground so she wouldn't drown. :rofl:

[Ganja Ninja]

219. Yes I think it changed me for the good.

I only did it a couple times when I was around 19 or 20. I think it made me a little less self conscious and more outgoing.

[BrendaBrick]

221. BBC Documentary: LSD - The Beyond Within

"There is more to reality than meets a normal eye. Behind the curtain of everyday consciousness is hidden another unutterably strange universe.

It’s the world of mystical experiences and those who have been there describe the visit as the most significant event in their lives.

Until recent times, it was a world known only to holy man, to saints, and perhaps to the insane. Then a generation ago, this drug, LSD, escaped from the laboratory and was consumed by millions of young people.

To some, it’s a doorway to the mystical universe – chemical ecstasy, enlightenment in a bottle. To others it’s a dangerous and subversive poison.

The drug challenges our very conception of reality and its’ turbulent history raises sharp questions about the dividing line between private experience and public policy":

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-beyond-within/ 1 hour, 14 minutes

I found the above link only after watching several separate YouTubes in parts (where a few are disjointed). There is a very interesting section, maybe about a third of the way in or so - (part 4 in YouTube posted by PaddyDX) which talks about the CIA.

Overall, a pretty good documentary and history.

Interesting to juxtapose some of the experiences felt by some with LSD with the visceral experience aka "epiphany" felt by astronaut Edgar Mitchell while in space (literally!):

Edgar Mitchell: An Epiphany in Space: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zSO3jE4l-M (little over a minute)

Longer video along these sames lines:

Edgar Mitchell and The Big Picture Effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE-PUTVULFg (little under 10 minutes)

Who knows? Maybe Mitchell is right about having the politicians and leadership have a meeting in space to expand their perspectives. Could be just the ticket this earth needs right along now...

[Ichingcarpenter]

229. This is a must see documentary for those that are curious

One of my favorite documentary sites, BTW

I don't know how I missed that one ... Thanks

[BrendaBrick]

247. You're welcome

I've only recently discovered this site. It's a great resource! I signed up to receive their emails and rec'd one this morning. Fry's Planet Word, 10 Things You Didn't Know about Tsunamis & Tribal Wives look interesting. Major kudos to the owner of the site, Vlatko for making these available!

[cherokeeprogressive]

232. Raises hand... I have.

Once, I stood up next to a mountain, and I chopped it down with the edge of my hand. Then I picked up the pieces and made an island. The funny thing was that I did it while I was looking through a glass onion and singing o-bla-di-o-bla-da, not having an idea what it all meant... then someone dropped a cup and I submerged.

Wait... that wasn't me.

Or was it? I'm betting it wasn't.

[saras]

233. Yep. Nothing but good. Can't imagine growing up without it.

Not only Jobs, but a whole bunch of the early computer innovators, even the generation before Jobs, had experience with LSD, most likely gotten legitimately. That was when you could volunteer at the psych department of a bunch of universities to take LSD in intelligence increase experiments, for example. I think it worked.

Before about 1967, a surprisingly large number of competent upper-class Americans used the stuff, mostly without abandoning their professional lives for macrame and panhandling.

It's not the best cure for Aspergers' I've encountered, but it was fair helpful in its day. It opens the door, but not only do you have to walk through the door yourself, you have to clean up all the stuff that blew in while you left the door open.


Personally I think the damaging qualities of badly made drugs are underrated and those of pure drugs overrated.

[easttexaslefty]

238. A couple of times, a long, long time ago.

I hated it. Never did it again.

[LanternWaste]

239. Twice back in the eighties

Twice back in the early eighties. It allowed me an over-inflated sense of self-worth as compared to others around me, and three days of some serious gas... :)

[EOTE]

244. Are you sure that wasn't LSA?

From Morning Glories or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds? I've never had any intestinal issues with LSD, but I've had plenty from LSA. Actually, it's not the LSA that causes the intestinal problems as far as I know, but some mildly toxic chemicals in the seeds themselves.

[LanternWaste]

246. Both instances, I dropped Purple Pyramids.

Both instances, I dropped Purple Pyramids. Your question compelled me to do a cursory search, and it appears it was indeed LSD.

The trip was moderate. The gas though became a joke/story in and of itself for the past thirty years amongst my friends.

[EOTE]

250. Weird, I'd never heard of that.

But I looked it up and there are many who had experiences like you. One possible reason I've heard is that large amounts of anxiety can cause intestinal distress. I can hardly remember a trip that didn't include at least a fair amount of anxiety.

[EOTE]

248. Delete

Wrong place.

[negativenihil]

241. Had a phase

...where i did plenty of good LSD.

I've always been more of a scientific and open minded person, so for me personally i don't feel like it changed how i thought about anything.

Loads of fun however, but not for everyone. LSD can be rather unpredictable (i've had a couple of what some might call "bad trips" - NOT for everyone), so honestly i'd not advise taking it not knowing the person intending to take it.

[BrendaBrick]

249. Comedian Bill Hicks: The Door Is Ajar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8lH3vWH18k