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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 06:44 AM
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Some Toons from the 30s



















More here :http://www.flickr.com/photos/16938754@N02/6292374080/in/set-72157627880460449/
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 06:51 AM
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1. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 06:58 AM
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4. 1
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:17 PM
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36. Isn't that the truth?
I say that all the time.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 06:52 AM
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2. Wow
k&r
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IADEMO2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 06:55 AM
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3. Good find. K&R
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:12 AM
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5. About the Cartoonist
Syd Hoff’s Teeth: The Leftist Satire of A. Redfield


While he was contributing to the New Yorker as Syd Hoff, he was also contributing to the Daily Worker and New Masses as A. Redfield — the pseudonym he adopted for his radical work. The Ruling Clawss (Daily Worker, 1935) collects his cartoons originally published in the Communist daily. Contrary to what all published biographies (except for the one in Julia Mickenberg’s and my Tales for Little Rebels) allege, Hoff’s first collection of cartoons was not Feeling No Pain (Dial, 1944). His first such collection — and, in fact, his first published book — was The Ruling Clawss.



More information here

http://www.philnel.com/2011/02/02/hoff_teeth/


Syd Hoff is one of the foremost and prolific cartoonists in the United States, a regular contributor to newspapers, magazines, and children's literature. He is the author and illustrator of such early-reader children's classics as Danny and the Dinosaur, Sammy the Seal, and Grizzwold. The Syd Hoff Papers contain book dummies, typescripts, galleys, illustrations, and color separations related to forty-six books published between 1958 and 1993. They also include more than 1700 cartoons drawn for newspapers and magazines between 1946 and 1977.


and more information here.

http://www.lib.usm.edu/~degrum/html/research/findaids/DG0465f.html
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:18 AM
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7. Wow! He was one of my favourite authors as a kid!
I remember 'Danny and the Dinosaur'; 'Julius'; 'Stanley'; etc. - they were great!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:11 PM
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32. I thought the drawing style seemed familiar!
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:56 AM
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10. It's well worth following that first link, too.
Thank you for bringing these cartoons to our attention.


It's amazing to be hearing the exact same stupid, discredited "arguments" from the right-wing today as Hoff was parodying nearly 80 years ago. It shows that we've lost far too much of the progress we made after those times.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:14 AM
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6. Some things don't change!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:34 AM
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8. The last one. Thanks for posting these.
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Huey P. Long Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:47 AM
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9. Fascinating. Same as it ever was. -eom
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 08:15 AM
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11. k&r
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 08:37 AM
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12. K&R n/t
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:13 AM
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13. They still work today. Recommended. nt
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:34 AM
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14. These are too great to drop


so I'm kicking
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:42 AM
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15. k/r
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:45 AM
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16. kicking!
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:48 AM
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17. K&R. n/t
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:34 PM
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18. We had the same problems. They were the 99%!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:58 PM
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19. Rec.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 01:05 PM
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20. "The day's work is done, sir"
at the link. Biting.

K&R
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 12:25 AM
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37. Here is that toon for all to see... yes I liked that one too



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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 12:34 AM
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39. Thanks. I spaced out on my photobucket password
or I would have fetched it myself.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 03:56 PM
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21. Wow
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 04:00 PM
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22. Same as it ever was. n/t
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 04:41 PM
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23. Grotesque
In just the right amount
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:09 PM
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27. Agreed. nt
PB
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 05:56 PM
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24. kick
These are still as fresh as the day they were drawn.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:51 PM
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25. That last one really got to me.
;(
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:01 PM
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26. These 80 yr old cartoons certainly put "Hope and Change" in context
don't they?
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:28 PM
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28. Isn't THAT a reality check?
You don't even need to change a word... THIS speak volumes of our evolution as a species.

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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:52 PM
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29. heres a couple of my favs
Edited on Mon Oct-31-11 09:56 PM by iamthebandfanman
EDIT: and for a lil added fun, a neat article from The Nation in 1933 ...
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma02/volpe/newdeal/devaluate_ed.html





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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:53 PM
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30. Thanks!
It just to show how illusory the "reforms" were. I've come to believe without a "radical" left that is strong like the communists were in the thirties the big money won't budge an inch. The reforms such as Social Security all came out of the workers pockets, not the rich.
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:02 PM
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31. Poignant Reminders of the Importance of Studying History
Thank you for posting these editorial cartoons!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:39 PM
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33. K & R.
Greed never changes, it only takes amphetamines and steroids.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:46 PM
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34. Kick. THIS is the reason that history is important
And it's also the reason that capitalism has to go. THIS is what it ALWAYS turns into, as these toons prove.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 12:26 AM
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38. What would you replace capitalism with?
Any of the socialist success cases throughout the world such as, well, uh...

Dunno, how many people do we want to kill this time? How many human rights do we want to crush? How much of the environment are we going to destroy?

I'm sure you'll get it right THIS time, like all the others thought.

Purity is for the chemists. Mixed systems are best, and nothing succeeds without some capitalism running through the system, because capitalism is human nature. To stop it is to crush human nature.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 09:31 AM
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46. And here it goes. EVERY FUCKING BODY WANTS
to think it's possible to design a foolproof socialist system in an internet post. WTF??? But since I can't, lets just go right ahead with what we're doing. Neofuedalism is SO much better than anything else we could replace it with. :sarcasm:

But just to note, I've made SEVERAL suggestions as to what I would do in general terms, starting with a national GA to discuss what would replace capitalism. As a START, I'd lobby at that GA to nationalize all general welfare industries, then all interstate industries, then provide governmental support with tax breaks and loans to intrastate worker's co-ops and owner/operators. I'd pay for it all with confiscatory taxes on wealth above a certain TBD level and the reassessment of the mission of the DoD away from being the enforcement arm of global capitalism and into true national defense ONLY. I'd institute a demand economy at least up to the point where EVERY citizen of this country was fed, sheltered, clothed and had a living wage job through government jobs programs.

I wouldn't outlaw small scale capitalism outright and I'd make it so that even the large scale capitalists left in the world had to compete with government run non-profit programs. At least then, even if they survived, their power would be broken.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 10:13 PM
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52. Oh crap, if I hire one more worker, make one more dollar
I will be a "big company" and the government's going to nationalize it. That's incentive to grow.

Start simple: Remove the fake personhood of corporations. That kills a huge number of problems with one simple policy change.

We at least agree the Department of DEFENSE needs to stick to its name. The way it is now we should just use the old name, War Department.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 10:29 PM
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54. Naw. Just turn it into a worker's co-op........
Then you'd get government tax breaks for the company.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 06:41 PM
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57. Why give up what you built?
You're the one putting in 16 hour days, you're the one who risked your savings, now you have to just give it away because the government thinks its too big?
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:16 PM
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35. K & R
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 02:29 AM
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40. Those cartoons could have been drawn today. Amazing.
Same old, same old. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/14-secret-gop-words
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 02:43 AM
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41. K&R
:kick:
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 03:40 AM
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42. K&R
:kick:
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 03:55 AM
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43. Wow oh wow
80 years on, its still the same.
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flpab Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 06:51 AM
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44. shared on facebook
I annoy the hell out of people but if one looks and sees things different it was worth it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 07:02 AM
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45. ''Give him a nickel, sweetheart.''
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 09:38 AM
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47. The cartoonist worked for the Worker's daily
but got his toons in every major newspaper.
He saw the Republicans and Democrats as two peas in the same pod.

Couldn't happen these days, unless you are Bill Hicks or George Carlin.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 09:55 AM
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48. Infinite thanks! As a parent and as a reader, I've always loved Syd Hoff!
I had no idea he also was Mr. Redfield.



The genius absolutely pegged the 1-Percent and understood what the world could be if those with the means really gave a damn about those less fortunate.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 10:07 AM
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50. I grew up with his children books in the 50s
never realized how 'Red' he was LOL.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 10:03 AM
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49. that these are still valid today
shows what a truth he had noticed
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 11:27 AM
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51. K & R
Thanks for posting!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 10:24 PM
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53. K & R ...4th one says it all.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:38 PM
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55. How timely!
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:42 PM
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56. Looks like obesity was a problem back then, too
As well as other issues being addressed, of course.
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