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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 04:45 PM
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Why Hasn't Anyone Gone To Jail For Their Part In Our Financial Crisis?
The story at the link is an interview of William Black, a lawyer and Associate Professor of Economics and Law at the UMKC School of Law. His work was critical in the jailing of a thousand bankers in the S&L crisis of the 80's and 90's, including Charles Keating, while he was litigation director of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board.

You can read the transcript, about how the resources needed for this effort are being withheld, especially the part about where both parties may be influenced by the political donations of these crooks, here.


...In the current crisis, of course they appointed anti-regulators. And this crisis goes back well before 2007 and of course it is continuing, it does not end at 2009. So the FBI warned in open testimony in the House of Representatives, in September 2004—we are now talking seven years ago—that there was an epidemic of mortgage fraud, their words, and they predicted that it would cause a financial crisis, crisis being their word, if it were not contained...
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... I am going to quote from the Mortgage Bankers Association. That is the trade association of the perps and this is their Anti-Fraud Specialist Unit, and they reported this to every member of the Mortgage Bankers Association in 2006. So nobody can claim they did not know. They found three critical things, first they said this kind of loan where you do not do underwriting is, and I am quoting again, “an open invitation to fraudsters.” Second, they said “the best study of this found a 90% fraud incident.” In other words, if you look at 100 liars loans, 90 of them are fraudulent. And third they said, therefore these loans where the euphemism is stated income are Alt-A loans, actually deserve the title that the industry calls the Behind Closed Doors, and that is liars loans. The other thing we know from other studies and investigations, is that it was overwhelmingly lenders and their agents that put the ‘lie’ in liars loans....So again, we got thirty, roughly one-third of all the loans by 2006, after these warnings. They rapidly increased the number of liars loans they made. One-third of them are liars loans and 90% of them are fraudulent, which is to say, that the amount of fraud annually was well over a million fraud a year. We are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in fraudulent instruments.
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...So yeah, the CEO’s knew all about this. Why did they do it? And the answer is, here is the recipe, it’s got four ingredients for creating what the Nobel Prize Winner in Economics, George Akerlof and his colleague Paul Romer said in 1993 was "a sure thing". And that sure thing is what in criminology we call accounting control fraud...control fraud is when the person who controls a seemingly legitimate entity, uses it as a weapon to fraud. In the financial sphere, the weapon of choice is accounting...
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Every year, with a million plus cases of fraud a year, if you prosecute a thousand of them or two thousand of them or three thousand of them, you are a million cases further behind every year, right. It is just insane...And it is only going to change if we express our outrage as the people and demand that it is changed.


This is why they laugh at us from their offices, and come to the OWS site to do interviews as the proud 1%. They are not a bit scared of ANY of this.

Yet.

But my sign at the occupy site I went to said INVESTIGATE THE FRAUD - JAIL THE PERPS. And it will say the same next time. It ain't particularly clever, and probably won't show in the pictures of the funnier ones, but if we let them get away with this we will never be anything but indentured servants and cowards.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 04:47 PM
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1. BECAUSE IT WAS LEGALIZED. THAT'S THE POINT.
That's why people talk about deregulation as the problem.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 04:57 PM
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3. THE FRAUD WAS NOT LEGAL, THAT'S THE POINT.
Edited on Tue Nov-01-11 04:59 PM by jtuck004
The hiding of the derivative market, that was legal. The lowering of reserves to an unsafe point, that was legal. Using phony paper as reserves, even that was legal, though a breach of fiduciary responsiblity. The paying of hundreds of millions of dollars to the perpetrators of the fraud by two adminstrations who have profited from the donations of those very people? Nothing illegal there either.

The control fraud described at the link, and in hundreds of other documents, was never legal. Selling a black couple a loan that cost more than the loan sold to an identical credit and job history by a white couple was not legal. There are crimes, millions of them, that wrap around all this "legal" activity.

It's time to quit withholding the resources, invstigate this, and jail the criminals.


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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:01 PM
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4. And a number of people have been investigated and convicted.
The problem is, 95% of what pisses people off was specifically legalized via deregulation, and some people don't seem to get that. Instead of griping that there aren't prosecutions for things that were legalized, people need to be pushing for tighter regulation to prevent it from happening again.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:44 PM
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7. That is an incorrect and unsuportable assertion, and these papers speak to that.

For example, there were 10 people convicted for fraud against the TARP program, but not for the millions of cases of fraud against homeowners. There is nothing legal about originators creating phony documents, nothing legal that allows them to commit forgery.

That's like saying the driver of a car doing the speed limit shouldn't be prosecuted for hanging a gun out the window and shooting at people, and that we ought to concentrate on making sure we pay attention to making sure we enforce the speed limit.

(For some reason this conversation makes me think my reply should be "But - and I am only saying this because I care - there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:53 PM
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11. Should people believe Geithner, head of the NY FED since 2003 ...
is looking out for the 99%.




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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:04 PM
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6. Some people here think fraud is a-okay and not a criminal offense.
Which shows how bad off we really are.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 04:51 PM
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2. To bad the perps like Jeb and Neil Bush didn't go to jail.
But, as you know, some people are above the law in America.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:01 PM
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5. If they smoke a doobie, they go to jail
They just have to be caught lying and stealing from people and smoking a doobie...:smoke:You make less than $15,000 a year picking strawberries? How about a $720,000 mortgage! Just sign here...
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:47 PM
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8. I like the link - it makes the point

"Apparently, the agent was so eager for commission that she arranged this loan through New Century Mortgage and even paid what the Ramirez family couldn't for several months. This arrangement was supposed to carry Ramirez until he could refinance. "

That's fraud. The loan wasn't important, the fees were. What is that, a $42,00 commission? Legal to make the loan, fraud involved in the underwriting and the payment of, well, payments.

Jail.

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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 06:00 PM
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12. Wow -
Your original post was great and I had no idea about the flack you would get by posting it here. Still, I'm glad you did and I'm bumping it up with this kick.

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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 09:13 PM
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15. Lol. Internet flack. Not nearly as hard to deal with as having your home

foreclosed on and your family tossed into the street after having been the victim of some scum-sucking mortgage broker and their company. Or having lost your job and being unable to feed your family as a direct result of the crimes those bastards committed. Not as hard as being one of the peaceful protestors beaten to the ground by the police. Comparatively, not bad at all ;)

And thank you for the compliment.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:48 PM
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9. Justice may be blind, but it can smell money. n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:48 PM
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10. knr - Fraud is not legal, thanks ...
people were talking about this for years.

Any politician that pretended problems were suddenly discovered in 2008 needs new advisors.


"This is why they laugh at us from their offices, and come to the OWS site to do interviews as the proud 1%. They are not a bit scared of ANY of this."

:applause:









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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 06:08 PM
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13. Video: Bill Black at OWS: "We put more than a thousand elite bankers in jail"
just thought I'd post this video as well (from your original Economy Forum post)

http://www.correntewire.com/bill_black_at_ows_we_put_more_than_a_thousand_elite_bankers_in_jail


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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 08:56 PM
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14. kick nt
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