Am not here to apologise for President Obama, but he inherited a

[akbacchus_BC]

lot of shit and he tried his best for Americans. I know, he should not have catered to those clowns but he gave it a shot and am sure if he is elected for a second term, he will do better.

All in all, he did his best to reunite America, the fuckers who hated him still want him to fail. What will you guys do if Romney or McCain get elected? That stinks, they both are anti-democrat!

Just trying to see if people are on the same page and as for the PL, who knows which way they will swing.

So far, noone in the Democratic Party is going against the President, but for sure he is doing something right.

Your views?

Best regards.
AKB

[tabatha]

1. He inherited shit; and he has had to battle shit.

He has done well.

[akbacchus_BC]

2. I totally agree with you. I have no idea what the population wanted

him to do. I know in his quest to be all inclusive, he pissed off some people, but we all are people and he is trying his best.

Sometimes I wonder if he would quit and I know he is not a quitter. I so wish him all the best!

[madokie]

28. I love your message and the one you replied to

Its so spot on. The man told me he was going to try to change the tone in Washington and he tried but I think he's finally figured it out that there is no changing people who are full of hate, their hatred gets in the way every time.
I love what my President has tried to do and adore him for what he's actually accomplished which is many and much.

[FarLeftFist]

45. Exactly, since when do we blame the mechanic and not the people who drove the car in the ditch.

It's not like this was just another recession, this was the mother of all recessions. There was no clear blueprint or silver bullet, only historical facts to go by. And even during that historical moment FDR had 69 senate seats and 322 house seats, unlike the current rabid opposition Obama has now. For Obama it was either a little something or alot of nothing. The GOP WAS NOT about to play nice.

[Number23]

42. "He has done well."

I absolutely agree.

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[Warpy]

4. I just turn it around

Do you really think you would be a lot better off if McCain and Palin had gotten in?

There's usually some sputtering and stammering and then the Obama basher slinks off.

Yes, he's been disappointing in some ways, but he's exceeded my expectation in others. We'd probably be gearing up to a violent revolution under Gidget and The Geezer since nothing would have been done in the way of early stimulus spending and unemployment would probably be in the 30% range, easily.

It's my fervent hope that the revolution we so desperately need right now will be a peaceful one.

[akbacchus_BC]

5. No, Cain nor Palin are not viable options. I do not live in the US but

I have family there. Most vote for Democrats but a minority like the rethugs and no matter how much I tell them otherwise, they are for rethugs. I actually pity them but they will never see my point of view ... frigging die hard rethugs they are!

[Exilednight]

25. And that can easily be turned back around.

McCain and Palin certainly would not have made people better off, but I'm not convinced that we be worse off than we are now. Obama blasted Hillary in the debates for being "republican-lite", and he was right to do so. Sadly, Obama has taken most of Hillary's "republican-lite" positions.

The official unemployment number is currently just under 10, but the actual unemployment number is double that - which isn't that far off from 30.

[SkyDaddy7]

27. "Gidget" would have quit about a year ago...

Just saying. Other than that I sometimes think had Obama not been elected then it would have put the DEATH NAIL in Conservative Thinking in America as far as the middle class is concerned...Like you said there would have been no stimulus & the UE rate would be far higher than it is right now without a doubt! But as it turns out now many in the middle class still think the Republicans are better at job creation than Democrats...Hell, they still think the Republicans are better at National Defense despite all the evidence to the contrary!

Had that happened Obama would have easily won the election in 2012 & would have had a much easier time passing legislation that we all want. Matter of fact I had long conversations with my brother on this as we all began to see just how bad the economy was in 2009.

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[murielm99]

7. I agree with you.

I have been critical of him, because he has disappointed me at times.

But he is doing a lot of things right.

None of those clowns who want the goper nomination can hold a candle to Obama.

Remember how much they hated Clinton? They wanted to destroy him personally. This goes beyond even that. They want to destroy the country in order to destroy the President. They don't care how much collateral damage they do. The magnitude of the hatred and the selfishness have grown tremendously since then. The gops are not simply the opposition party, they are psychopaths.

[NBachers]

8. Let me give you some weary support for an unpopular opinion here on DemocraticWonderland

I see we're all the way up to one rec already

[HappyMe]

30. Let me add some weary support to yours. nt

[Number23]

43. Adding my even wearier support.

and "DemocraticWonderland" makes this place sound fun and happy, or that many Democrats post here. Another name would probably be more appropriate...

[tblue]

9. A lot of people feel that way.

Our president has a LOT of supporters who will stick by him no matter what. He is so fortunate to have you behind him, for your compassion, understanding, and patience. I am sure he appreciates your steadfast loyalty.

I generally don't attach myself to politicians. Just not my thing My allegiance is to good policy and to the people who don't get much compassion or anything else. Somebody has to put them first and care how they feel and how they're getting by. If I'm gonna lose sleep worried over someone's well-being, it's gonna be someone who doesn't have much power or many options. I'd list examples but this is making me too sad.

I don't at all mean to disparage your devotion to our president. Just know that there are many more like you and some others with a little different priorities. And I'll be damned if I know how to change what someone else's priorities are.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. I agreee

I also think some folks have become so emotionally attached to the President. They've chosen to ignore or actively support specific policy decisions that they would have never supported had another President followed those same policies.

For me, it's about policies regardless of who occupies the oval office.

[zalinda]

10. He knew what job he was being hired for, and yet

he took it anyway. Begged for it. He should have been qualified and ready for it. He wasn't. He didn't hit the ground running. He pretty much casually walked into the office, and put his feet up.

Any politician who runs for an office and finds it difficult, either finds a way to handle it, or lets some one else handle the job. I have no sympathy for Obama.

zalinda

[Akoto]

14. How was he not ready, in your view? Details would be great. n/t

[tabatha]

15. You cannot be serious.

He walked into the office and started working immediately. He has never put this feet up.
He works twice as hard as GW.

[quakerboy]

17. Thats like saying someone is twice as smart as GW

By that measurement, Bernie Madoff isnt so bad, he only stole 65 billion as compared with what Bush stole. And Ted Bundy killed less than a hundred people, to GW's thousands, so he comes out looking good by that measure as well.

Comparisons to GW falsely imply he is the standard. He is not.

The only meaningful standard is whether the presidents accomplishments will be enough to preserve this nation.

[tabatha]

32. That is the only comparison of which I know about.

I do not know how hard Clinton worked, or GHW, or Carter or Nixon or ...

But, I can guarantee that Obama works twice as hard as you do.

And, it is congress that passes laws - not Obama.

[quakerboy]

37. Ah. Right. The US president is

just a figurehead with no power and no voice. How could I forget that.

It does not matter how hard I work. Personalizing this is kinda silly. It also has no bearing to bring up "how hard" Clinton worked. Or GHW or Carter. Or Nixon. Or Hoover or Washington. These are irrelevant comparisons. Completely meaningless.

I could give you a whole list of people who I think work harder or less hard than the president. Surely we can agree that John Henry worked harder, but the grasshopper who didn't store food for winter was far lazier.

Only measure means a damn thing. The only comparison with any hint of value to analyze President Obama's performance, is whether his accomplishments are enough to preserve this nation.

[tabatha]

39. If it were not for Obama, the country would be in worse shape than it is.

With the tools he had, he has done very well. I am glad that he reversed the bleeding of jobs that was happening at the end of 2008.

Yes, people are protesting, rightfully so, at the real culprits - that caused the crash before Obama even got into office. It took from 2001 to 2008 to get to the mess, but you expect it all to be fixed by now. Have you seen the graphs that show how bad the state of the economy was ?

Iceland was probably the worst, and they will be fixing their mess for the next decade.

You draw conclusions from the wrong premises.

And I am glad Obama took on the task. I still have a job because he did, as do many others, especially in the auto industry.

[quakerboy]

47. I will go as far as

if we were dealing with President Palin, things would be a lot worse. However, I will not excuse any of the poor decisions that Obama has made.

As to "how bad it was". Have you looked at graphs of how bad it IS? Jobless recovery, last I heard. or, more anecdotally, watching gas stations and major chain grocery stores going under in this area does not lead me to believe that things are better. Watching housing prices on a continual downward, talking to people who are moving to a new city for the privilege of being a "bottle return" boy at a grocery store. None of these things provide me any confidence that things are going in the right direction.

I think our President Obama would have made a great president for the needs of 1992, or maybe 2000. For 20111, I am not convinced that he is enough.

And enough is all that I care about. Its like having a home, and paying your mortgage. It does not make one bit of difference if you pay more each month than your neighbor, or than the previous owner of the house. The only thing that counts to keep you out of foreclosure is that you pay the required payment. And we as a country are hitting the metaphorical equivalent of a balloon payment. Which means what came before doesn't mean jack diddly if we cant do what is necessary today. It doesn't even matter that years of RW politicians have set us up to fail. Obama is the president, and he has to make it work somehow, and if he can't, we fail. Bottom line.

[sendero]

21. Yeah.

... but for the wrong people. Next time he might consider working for the people who elected him.

[tabatha]

34. If he worked for the Republicans

then they would vote for him another 4 years. But, they cannot stand him.

I don't think the Republicans think he worked for them.

I think Obama has managed to get as much as he could through a congress (Republicans mostly) that has fought him every step of the way and given him the biggest number of filibusters.

[zalinda]

38. Unfortunately, we are a different nation than when repubs

would work with dems. It is now an our team, their team mentality, on both sides. The people are getting lost in the equation.

But the OP was that he INHERITED mess, and was doing the best he could. My contention is that he actively sought the job, mess and all. It was his job to clean up the mess, and he hasn't. Only messes for the bankers and oil people have been actively attended to. The rest of us, have been left on our own.

If everything was going hunky dory, do you think there would be OWS all over this country, and the world? Something is wrong, and it is our leaders who have failed.

zalinda

[sendero]

40. I think that anyone.

... who was outdone by George Shrub Bush is not someone I'd consider a high performer.

Fact is Obama never wanted to do anything really progressive until 2 months ago, and now its too late.

[Itchinjim]

16. 4...

[treestar]

31. You'd better be perfect yourself

Being so judgmental sounds like conservatives, not liberals.

You could not come at all close to accomplishing what he's accomplished, yet you set yourself up to judge him.

Sickening.

I wonder if you judge yourself in such a way. Probably not. LIkely, just others.

[Number23]

44. Oh, it's you again...

[Kurmudgeon]

11. Agreed, if you want liberal things, give Mr. Obama a liberal congress.

[bowens43]

19. that's an excuse and a cop out.

Obama got nex to nothing because he gave in on every single issue.

[uponit7771]

20. Naw...naw, folk think Obama should be Super Man or some thing...

[Akoto]

13. Agreed. n/t

[bowens43]

18. He did NOT try his best.

Right out of the gate he started his asinine compromising.

[Obamanaut]

22. dupe, delete

[Obamanaut]

23. No, he did not 'inherit' anything. He actively sought it for about ttwo years. He suggested

several times during that time leading up to the election that if we would give it to him, he could fix it.

But no, he did not 'inherit' the mess, but rather, he asked for it.

[Poll_Blind]

24. A conveniently oversimplified narrative, one which Americans will view skeptically.nt

PB

[kentuck]

26. He saved the capitalist system...

in all its rotten glory.

[LWolf]

29. If you are not here to apologize for him, why are you apologizing for him?

My views:

If he's done "his best," it falls miles short of the mark.

I don't think he's done most things right.

I think he's a neoliberal whose agenda does not include serving the 99%.

I think there are plenty of Democrats who oppose this President's policies.

I'm one of them.

I oppose his vigorous efforts to further privatize education.

I oppose his determination to keep us at war.

I oppose his bailouts of the 1%.

I oppose his efforts to nationalize PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE instead of actual health care.

That's just to start with. There's plenty more.

[Romulox]

33. It's not that I doubt he's done his best, it's just that I don't believe he's working in my interest

That's a non-trivial distinction.

[emilyg]

35. +100

[Raine]

41. Agree nt

[JoePhilly]

36. Sure, he put out the raging fire .... BUT he got my house wet!!!! nt

[kentuck]

46. and my house is still wet and losing value...

while the house he saved has now added a $12 million dollar extension on a California beach.

[Number23]

48. lol I don't think the point of that post could have flown any higher over your head

That poster was ridiculing those who criticize the president even when he has saved them. And then you go and make his point beautifully.

[fascisthunter]

49. yeah, and he continued in the same direction as Bush

no accountability for war crimes, nor for crimes committed on Wall Street. He instead has bent over backwards to please the 1% and Wall Street. He is a part of the problem and claiming he just inherited a mess Bush created is dishonest or ignorant. Nothing will change until people quit the self deception because it's killing this country.