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VeniceBeat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 01:59 PM Original message |
When Will OWS Renounce Those Who Employ Black Bloc Tactics? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. They have |
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VeniceBeat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I Have Heard That |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Naive |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. Late to the party -- |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. The weakness of a leaderless revolution... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. Wrong, since most people know they have renounced |
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VeniceBeat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. The Problem is That the MSM Shapes LIV* Opinion |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I don't think we have to worry about the Corporate Media too |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. How's this for a sign, whether it's true or not: |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Good idea. And it's probably true. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
88. Lying is never a good idea |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. The proponents of the Revolutionary War rejected it's equivalent version of the MSM |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. Committed of correspondence |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. +1 Sabrina n/t |
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Juneboarder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Per twitter... |
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alc (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. 99% |
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a simple pattern (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Bullshit. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. The original Black bloc was not cops. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Back in the 1980s you are correct |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
60. Nice post, I really wonder about a lot of the same things too |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. They're assholes is what they are. They want to fuck with anyone--and they don't |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. Can you prove that statement? You can identify black block people with their faces covered as being |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
44. Their tactics ultimately support the ruling class |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:27 AM Response to Reply #44 |
73. Are you defending the stalinist thugs |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. LOL |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:48 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. KKE |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #78 |
95. If you think a successful movement |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. You make me afraid |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I'm not going to do a point-by-point |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. I've seen the vids |
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lob1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. There's a good chance those guys were cops trying to |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
107. Yes it has. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. Agent Provocateurs |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. Some Occupiers are holding GA sessions to address the Black Bloc problem |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
12. Knock them upside the head, and see if you get charged with assaulting a cop |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Ha! |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. lol |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. You expect to hear something on the MSM? |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. When Will OWS Renounce Those Who Employ Black Bloc Tactics? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. We are up to three? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Sadly, it's the same three that were posted at the start of that thread. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Lots of concern about anarchists all of a sudden. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. It's because of the shit they tried to pull at Whole Foods in Oakland.... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Alas they're not part of OWS. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. They need to be "cut out of the herd." They're the mad cows that will |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Then get your ass out there and stop them while they are wielding hammers |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:41 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Point them out to the cops, then, if they're wielding hammers and bats. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:15 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. The cops do nothing to pretect to peaceful from the perpetrators. Nothing. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #58 |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:47 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Now, you're changing your story (you can do something, apparently) and you're calling me |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:35 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I take responsibilty for OWS. I refuse to put on the hair shirt and take responsibility for |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:53 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You're deliberately misstating my POV and I will not tolerate it. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:16 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. That's what you've got? Comments and blogs (similar to post here) is your evidence? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Your POV isn't the only one, so get over it. You aren't the spokesmodel. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:17 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. OWS has bigger fish to fry than a few window breakers. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:55 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Well, no, that's not true--check out the links I provided. OWS is addressing this problem, not |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. LOADS of "concern"... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
21. They have. Just because you don't see it on your MSM |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
23. What can be done to rein them in? Easy. |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. And maybe a few signs that say "black bloc = assholes" :) |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #29 |
57. The signs could say; "Black bloc = cops or assholes or both" |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
81. If black bloc = cops |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
80. Why do you like the idea |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Pulling off their masks, scarves, and hoods is assault. And they have weapons. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Get up close and personal. Are they the greater numbers, or are the OWS protesters in the majority? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
82. You are exhorting physical violence |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
48. You really don't get the movement . Stick to party politics. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I'd say you don't get living in the real world. |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. I cannot begin to know who the hell you are talking to...but it ain't me |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. It is you--and you might take your own snarky advice. It would do you good. NT |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. bravo!!! |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:12 AM Response to Reply #51 |
83. The movement does not depend from you |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
89. heh |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
79. Spoken like |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:18 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. enemy of the people? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Taking sides with police |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
105. Physical violence? what the person describes is nothing but an intervention. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Dear Selatius |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. ??? |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
28. Anyone who practices violent and destructive actions is a very big |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
30. I hereby publicly renounce the tactics of the Blackwater Bloc as spokesperson for OWS. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. When did you stop beating your wife? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Reminds me of an old saw about that arch-villain LBJ. As the story |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
39. I know that in OWS Toronto, demonstrators were taught to yell and point |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
76. LOL, you don't get it, do you? Provocateurs are either the police, or known to the police; |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
84. So you support |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-03-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
45. They should renounce it until the movement is too large to lose support... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. It's violence when someone destroys YOUR property. No excuses for it. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:34 AM Response to Reply #53 |
87. It's violence |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
49. Oh great, yet another anti-Black Bloc concern thread. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. This is a fast moving board. More than one thread is unsurprising. This IS a subject for concern. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Give it up already. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I do not know you and I suspect that's a good thing. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:31 AM Response to Reply #70 |
86. We don't know you |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:25 AM Response to Reply #66 |
85. +1 |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
91. you'd think that the op is running the banks or something like that |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. Thanks |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
74. Concern noted. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
92. In Greece PAME has it's own 'guard' formations. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Then lets fall apart |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. What? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
93. Black Bloc is typically agent provocateur (hired by police) - |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
96. FFFS!! Have any of you guys been to the Seattle protests, or to many protests, |
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Dyedinthewoolliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
99. Why should OWS or better yet, |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. It's we |
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