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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 09:44 PM
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Republican Barry Goldwater
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Sportsguy Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 09:46 PM
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1. K & R
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 09:54 PM
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2. My Dad was a Goldwater Republican back in the day, before he
went Indy, then Green.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 09:56 PM
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3. He would be drummed out of today's GOP
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:04 PM
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4. I supported Barry as a teenager.
I was too young to vote. Admittedly, my "conservative" ideas were superficial, and more style than substance, but Barry had a couple of good ideas. The problem was that the states would not approve his good ideas and he would not use the fed to push the states. I decided nothing good would happen from Barry Goldwater.

But then the Democrats would not let go of Vietnam. But I've held my nose, and always voted Democrat. Except Obama. I didn't hold my nose the first time he ran.

--imm
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:31 PM
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5. Thom Hartmann supported Goldwater in '64. So did I.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:45 PM
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6. "In your heart, you know he's RIGHT!"
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:50 PM
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7. Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater girl in her high school days. n/t
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:53 PM
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8. More from Goldwater....
"A lot of so-called conservatives today don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the religious right. It's not a conservative issue at all."

"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?"

"And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

The following is a transcript of Barry Goldwater's commentary on the military gay ban that appeared this week in the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times.
After more than 50 years in the military and politics, I am still amazed to see how upset people can get over nothing. Lifting the ban on gays in the military isn't exactly nothing, but it's pretty damned close

Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar. They'll still be serving long after we're all dead and buried. That should not surprise anyone.

But most Americans should be shocked to know that while the country's economy is going down the tubes, the military has wasted half a billion dollars over the past decade chasing down gays and running them out of the armed services.

It's no great secret that military studies have proved again and again that there's no valid reason for keeping the ban on gays. Some thought gays were crasy, but then found that wasn't true. then they decided that gays were a security risk, but again the Department of Defense decided that wasn't so-in fact, one study by the Navy in 1956 that was never made public found gays to be good security risks. Even Larry Korb, President Reagan's man in charge of implementing the Pentagon ban on gays, now admits that it was a dumb idea. No wonder my friend Dick Cheney, secretary of defense under President Bush, called it "a bit of an old chestnut"

When the facts lead to one conlusion, I say it's time to act, not to hide. The country and the military know that eventually the ban will be lifted. The only remaining questions are how much muck we will all be dragged through, and how many brave Americans like Tom Paniccia and Margarethe Cammermeyer will have their lives and careers destroyed in a senseless attempt to stall the inevitable.

Some in congress think I'm wrong. They say we absolutely must continue to discriminate, or all hell will break loose. Who knows, they say, perhaps our soldiers may even take up arms against each other.

Well, that's just stupid.

Years ago, I was a lieutenant in charge of an all-black unit. Military leaders at the time believed that blacks lacked leadership potential - period. That seems ridiculous now, as it should. Now, each and every man and woman who serves this nation takes orders from a black man - our own Gen. Colin Powell.

Nobody thought that blacks or women could ever be integrated into the military. Many thought that an all-volunteer force could never protect our national interest. Well, it has, and despite those who feared the worst - I among them - we are still the best and will continue to be.

The point is that decisions are always a lot easier to make in hindsight. but we seldom have that luxury. That's why the future of our country depends on leadership, and that's what we need now.

I served in the armed forces. I have flown more than 150 of the best fighter planes and bombers this country manufactured. I founded the Arizona National Guard. I chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee. And I think it's high time to pull the curtains on this charade of policy.

What should undermine our readiness would be a compromise policy like "Don't ask, don't tell." That compromise doesn't deal with the issue - it tries to hide it.

We have wasted enough precious time, money and talent trying to persecute and pretend. It's time to stop burying our heads in the sand and denying reality for the sake of politics. It's time to deal with this straight on and be done with it. It's time to get on with more important business.

The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone's version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays.

When you get down to it, no American able to serve should be allowed, much less given an excuse, not to serve his or her country. We need all our talent.

If I were in the Senate today, I would rise on the Senate floor in support of our commander in chief. He may be a Democrat, but he happens to be right on this question.

(Arizona Republican Barry M. Goldwater retired from the Senate in 1987)
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 10:57 PM
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9. I bought an AuH20 campaign button in Jackson WY back then.
He was a conservative WITH a conscience. I respected him for that.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-11 11:33 PM
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10. Two more Goldwater quotes...
"A lot of so-called conservatives today don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the religious right. It's not a conservative issue at all." (1994 Los Angeles Times interview.)


"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'<.i>" (Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)).
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