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Laluchacontinua Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:41 AM
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George Orwell's Diaries, 1940
I just ran across this site where the owner is posting pages from Orwell's diaries on the same days they were written. A lot of the diary is about his chicken-raising venture (typical entry = "2 eggs") but the war-time stuff is very interesting -- especially in light of current events.

For example:


27.6.40

The unconscious treacherousness of the British ruling class in what is in effect a class war is too obvious to be worth mentioning. The difficult question is how much deliberate treachery exists…. L.M.<3>, who knows or at least has met all these people, says that with individual exceptions like Churchill the entire British aristocracy is utterly corrupt and lacking in the most ordinary patriotism, caring in fact for nothing except preserving their own standard of life. He says that they are also intensely class-conscious and recognise clearly the community of their interests with those of rich people elsewhere. The idea that Mussolini might fall has always been a nightmare to them, he says.

Up to date L.M’s predictions about the war, made the day it began, have been very correct. He said nothing would happen all winter, Italy would be treated with great respect and then suddenly come in against us, and the German aim would be to force on Britain a puppet government through which Hitler could rule Britain without the mass of the public grasping what was happening…. The only point where L.M proved wrong is that like myself he assumed Russia would continue to collaborate with Germany, which now looks as if it may not happen. But then the Russians probably did not expect France to collapse so suddenly. If they can bring it off, Pétain and Co. are working towards the same kind of double cross against Russia as Russia previously worked against England. It was interesting that at the time of the Russo-German pact nearly everyone assumed that the pact was all to Russia’s advantage and that Stalin had in some way “stopped” Hitler, though one only had to look at the map in order to see that this was not so….

In western Europe Communism and left extremism generally are now almost entirely a form of masturbation. People who are in fact without power over events console themselves by pretending that they are in some way controlling events. From the Communist point of view, nothing matters so long as they can persuade themselves that Russia is on top. It now seems doubtful whether the Russians gained much more from the pact than a breathing-space, though they did this much better than we did at Munich. Perhaps England and the U.S.S.R. will be forced into alliance after all, an interesting instance of real interests overriding the most hearty ideological hatred.

http://orwelldiaries.wordpress.com/page/10/
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:47 AM
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1. Kick & Rec. n/t.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:49 AM
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2. ''......a puppet government through which Hitler could rule Britain......''
...without the mass of the public grasping what was happening.''

- K&R


''The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.'' http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/27-1">~Chris Hedges

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Laluchacontinua Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 01:54 AM
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3. Yes, I thought that sentence was interesting too. It's a good read. Orwell
Edited on Sun Nov-06-11 01:57 AM by Laluchacontinua
is neither of the right or the left, though his sympathies are clearly with the "common man" & "England," whatever that represents to him.

Another interesting thing is how the themes in his diaries prefigure 1984 -- like this on the assassination of Trotsky:

It occurred to me yesterday, how will the Russian state get on without Trotsky? Or the Communists elsewhere? Probably they will be forced to invent a substitute.

...like "Goldstein," who may or may not really exist...

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 03:30 AM
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4. Blair always insisted he was a man of the left. His exact words.
He was antistalin without being a sectarian Trot, but he was always a good social democrat anf left Labour activist.
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Laluchacontinua Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 04:42 AM
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6. i meant as defined at the time, the communist party on the left & the fascists & their b
Edited on Sun Nov-06-11 04:46 AM by Laluchacontinua
british sympathizers on the right.

he wasn't just anti-stalin, he was anti-communist/anti-CP, and an informer. which in my book makes him not exactly a "man of the left".

and what he called himself depended on the time period, i think.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 06:43 AM
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8. And he was a democratic socialist who fought for the Republican side in the Spanish Civil War.
Which pretty much says "man of the left" to me. The British Labour Party of the 1930's was much closer to their socialist roots; they were decidedly left-wing, and I don't think many at the time would have disagreed.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 03:43 AM
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5. Orwells' 1984.....
...as with the works of other writers of classic dystopian tales like Phillip K. Dick, were inspired by Yevgeny Zamyatin's 1924 novel, http://www.powells.com/partner/35463/biblio/9781843914464?p_isbn">We.

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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 06:30 AM
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7. Where Orwell got it wrong:
He failed to predict that we'd all willingly be carrying the cameras around with us.

http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.9363577.8309/fc,135x135,creme.jpg
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 04:12 PM
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9. This is a fantastic blog!!!!
And the links to similar blags..even one on Samuel Pepys!!!

Well, there goes the housework today.....again.



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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 04:22 PM
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10. Orwell sure called it regarding the U.S.A. producers of armaments, still true today
This morning’s papers make it reasonably clear that at any rate until after the presidential election, the U.S.A will not do anything, i.e. will not declare war, which in fact is what matters. For if the U.S.A is not actually in the war there will never be sufficient control of either business or labour to speed up production of armaments. In the last war this was the case even when the U.S.A was a belligerent.
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