The Penn State sex abuse mess is going to ruin that school

[Are_grits_groceries]

in some ways for a long, long time. The fact that President Spanier is caught up in it is the kicker. That idiot issued a statement supporting the AD and the VP of Finance. He did it probably because he knows he is in the line too. Read the grand jury indictment here, but WARNING. It is graphic. This was no rush to prosecute. It was a long investigation, and they had to be very sure to take on PSU and its supporters.:
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

The accused do deserve a trial, and maybe they will be exonerated. I believe those that think it is much ado are caught up in the fog enveloping Unhappy Valley. It is the trial or trials that are going to bury PSU in mud. The crimes that are alleged are the worst that one can be accused of.

Here is the lead of JoePa's statement:
Joe Paterno: 'If this is true we were all fooled'
His statement is BS IMHO.
http://www.pennlive.com/

NOBODY bothered to find those kids and try to help them with mental or with possible physical problems.

As I have said, if it was my alma mater as much as I love it, I'd want to shake its foundations and lay waste to anybody remotely involved.

It is a shame that PSU is going to forever be attached to these crimes. It is a 1st rate school in many areas. That will not be the first thing that comes to mind now when PSU is mentioned. The effing President of PSU has made it about the whole school and not just the athletic department.

The next step may be Nancy Grace camped there for the eternity it will take to sort this out. That will complete the hot mess.

[Skittles]

1. can someone tell me

why so many people want to fuck children???

[JackDragna]

17. There's not really that many as a percentage of the population..

..it's just every time one is caught, it's a media sensation. It's sort of how media reporting on the drug war and violent crime made people think going to poor areas in cities was a guarantee of getting shot. Better reporting of incidents has likely led to better discovery of child molestation, but I'm not convinced it's any worse than it has been.

[defendandprotect]

24. Nonsense -- every pedophile has multiple victims -- sometimes a hundred or more!!

[JackDragna]

34. Even if this is true..

..I'm not convinced this is some major epidemic. Some asked why so much of this is going around, but I haven't seen any statistics suggesting it's a bigger problem now than in the past.

[defendandprotect]

42. It's a 50,000 year epidemic -- !! And it rises with the rW -- !!

It you ask Italians, they will tell you this has been going on in the Catholic

Church from day #1 -- !!!

[JackDragna]

58. Okay, it's being going on for a long time -

..probably as long as humans have existed. My beef is that we sensationalize the cases and make it seem like the number of reported cases is indicative of some terrible epidemic.

[defendandprotect]

61. The male war on women and children is an epidemic ...

how could you fail to notice that?

Put on your TV and actually watch it for a while -- put yourself in the place

of every female you see --

Watch males, over and over again -- and not one of them asking "where are the women?"


Where? They're all cleaning toilet bowls on TV!



:evilgrin:

[JackDragna]

65. An entirely different issue.

Sexism is terrible, but I'm still not convinced child sex abuse is suddenly tremendously worse.

[defendandprotect]

67. Pedophilia is hugely under reported --- any study on it will tell you that ---

so if you think it's an epidemic from what you're reading multiply that all by

about 85% and see what you come up with.


Like rape, it's seriously underreported --


You could check what they think the figures are for the RCC pedophile priest scandals --

which they know are highly underreported -- and that's internationally!

[Skittles]

41. bullshit

when you count all the fathers, uncles, grandfathers messing with their own family members there is a LOT of child sex abuse

[defendandprotect]

44. Agree -- and FREUD well knew the truth of this ---

His female patients -- and presumably some male patients -- were telling him

of sexual abuse they were suffering -- and certainly Freud well understood the

prevalence of this child sexual abuse in society as they gave witness to it.


Sadly, FREUD betrayed the females who confided in him by reversing the "Edipus Complex"

to make the child/victim guilty of unnatural desire for the parent!!


And still so many of these cases never come to light -- and rarely were the children

believed.

Think the pedophile priest scandals with so many victims traceable to priests with

KNOWN problems has been a great awakening and given us more understanding of the

suffering of the victims -- and how these crimes are covered up.


:hi:

[Laluchacontinua]

47. yeah, it's rampant, but it's all covered up. yeah. men will 'mess with' anything, they're evil.

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[Laluchacontinua]

51. not at all. i'm not obsessed with the threat of sexual attack to myself or my children.

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[Laluchacontinua]

53. i must have missed the facts. all i saw was the claim that there was lots

of sexual abuse due to the attacks of fathers, uncles, etc. on their relatives.

[defendandprotect]

75. 1998 JAMA Study: "90% of pedophiles are male, 95% are hetereosexual" ---

Rather, 1998 JAMA Study: "90% of pedophiles are male, 95% are hetereosexual" ---

The right-wing "Family Research Council" notes/confirms findings that "almost all child sexual abuse is committed by men."


A 1998 Study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of pedophiles are men, and 95% of these individuals are hetereosexual.


Footnote 65 -- p.123

A review of 352 medical records of children evaluated for sexual abuse during a 12-month period at a Denver chidlren's hospital found that less than 1% had been abused by a gay man or a lesbian. Of 269 adult perpetrators of child abuse identified among the 352 cases of abuse, only two were gay or lesbian. The vast majority of the children in the study (82%) "were suspected of being abused by a man or a woman who was, or had been, in a hetereosexual relationship with a relative of the child." And the review concluded that in this sample, " a child's risk of being molested by his or her relative's heterosexual partner is over 100X greater by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual."

[JackDragna]

57. "Bullshit." Ah, such a wonderful response.

I think much of it is due to better reporting of incidents and increased media scrutiny. Do you have any statistics to suggest child sex abuse is occurring more frequently now than in the past? According to a study done by the Department of Health and Human Services, the # of incidents per year reported to CPS dropped 38% over the course of a little over a decade:

http://www.stopitnow.org/csa_fact_prevalence_decline

Granted, that's still 135,000 reported incidents, and it's terrible any child is exposed to it. I'm just not convinced, however, that we're seeing some kind of national epidemic.

[defendandprotect]

62. In the Catholic Church it's been a 2,000 year "epidemic" -- ask any Italian ... !!

And -- no -- there is still vast underreporting of sexual abuse of children --


68% of pedophiles sexuall abuse family members!

[LynneSin]

70. Because they are sick assholes

does that answer your question?

[defendandprotect]

2. Hadn't read anything about this -- back tomorrow to read -- thanks -- !!

[Downwinder]

3. Demonstrates the insidious hold athletics has on institutions

of education. Would there be this furor if it were the math department involved? I was told that athletics were all about advertising the school. Why does a State school need to advertise?

[JohnnyLib2]

7. The night shift janitors said it, "afraid of losing jobs if we speak up."

[defendandprotect]

26. Agree, probably would -- but in general everyone is afraid enough to throw away freedom/democracy--!

[defendandprotect]

25. Because sports is a great distraction from actual education ... which is unpopular with elites!!

Imagine how much attention males would pay to Global Warming if there was a

BALL involved!!



:evilgrin:

[Art_from_Ark]

49. A state school needs to advertise to attract out-of-state students

who pay higher tuition and therefore provide a bigger cushion that can make up for shortfalls caused by stingy state legislatures or state budget crises.

In other words, sports teams can put a university's name in the news and thus provide free recruiting publicity outside of the state. And remember, they're mostly recruiting 17- and 18-year-olds, so to potential enrolees it might be cool to go to a school that might wind up in the Top Ten, or play in the NCAA tournament.

[XemaSab]

77. MIT must have a great football team then

:eyes:

[grasswire]

4. I hadn't heard anything about it until this thread.

So maybe many other people haven't seen the story either. (If that's any comfort.)

[Skittles]

5. well here are the first ones falling

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45186257/ns/sports-college_football/

[adigal]

19. I'm confused, it he was a college coach, where were the boys from?

Were they really young? The article didn't address this, and I don't have time to read the indictment. Thanks,

[adigal]

20. Never mind, I just read enough to want to beat him senseless

Using his charity to find boys. His karma is going to be ugly.

[defendandprotect]

28. Was just reading about Sandusky's "foundation" --- were there victims there, as well?

[fishwax]

43. I believe that all of the victims were from his foundation

He met them through his foundation and then developed relationships with them from there. Of the eight victims in the grand jury report, six of them were participants in the Second Mile program. (The other two probably were too, but the grand jury does not know their identity because they were victims reported by eye witnesses.)

In some cases he even adopted kids from his foundation. (All of his six children are adopted, but not all of them were from Second Mile.) The mother (Debra Long) of one of the kids he adopted (Matt Sandusky) told the grand jury that her son's behavior changed drastically after he met Sandusky. When Matt got into some trouble as a teenager (arson, I believe) he was removed from her home and Sandusky took him in as a foster parent and later legally adopted him.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_a_penn_state_un.html

Among those who testified was the mother of Sandusky’s youngest adopted son, a boy he met through The Second Mile, took in as a foster child and later legally adopted as an adult.

Matt Sandusky’s mother, Debra Long, told The Patriot-News that she had raised concerns about the behavior of her son and Sandusky once her son went to live with the Sandusky family in 1995.

“We tried to stop it back then,” Long said. “We were dragging it to the court system all the time and we couldn’t prevent it. It upsets me, because these kids didn’t need to go through this.”

[defendandprotect]

45. Thank you -- I had only read this one article on the scandal and wasn't clear as to

who the victims actually were --


In some cases he even adopted kids from his foundation. (All of his six children are adopted, but not all of them were from Second Mile.) The mother (Debra Long) of one of the kids he adopted (Matt Sandusky) told the grand jury that her son's behavior changed drastically after he met Sandusky. When Matt got into some trouble as a teenager (arson, I believe) he was removed from her home and Sandusky took him in as a foster parent and later legally adopted him.


Wow --

And these organizations centered around kids -- how often has this happened!!

Seems Sandusky has adopted 6 children? !!!


Amazing that her concerns weren't listened to at the time.

And also amazing how well-trusted sports figures are -- !!

Tiger Woods being another example among many--!!

Sad --

[jtown1123]

27. They were teens and younger. He formed a nonprofit for at risk youth so he could prey

on young boys with ease. He is a fucking animal.

[JohnnyLib2]

6. So many similarities to the denial and coverups around priests...

I can imagine the whispers and innuendos that went on for all those years. Now that the veil has been lifted, there will be many more stories.

[Are_grits_groceries]

8. There will also be civil suits and

those could drag on for years. That will keep the mud flowing. I cannot imagine a university, its students, its alums, and all connected to the school having to deal with a much worse situation.

I have been reading comments to the story on various papers and people are ready to get pitchforks and boiling oil. That includes a lot of PSU people. There are those making excuses or whatever, but most are outraged.

People need to take a stiff drink and read the grand jury indictment to see how vile and serious this is. It's not just a minor matter or however people want to minimize it.

[Laluchacontinua]

9. This is how business is. Nearly everyone involved was in CYA mode, don't

let it affect my career, don't make waves, don't let me lose my job.

If people act that way when someone is raping a ten-year old, imagine how they act over less heinous abuse & abusive practices like someone being bullied at work.

And then translate that to business practices -- like if drug x is killing people, for example -- or hiring slave labor, or funding the black hand.

[Are_grits_groceries]

10. One reaction after reading the report:

ACC Sports
11/7/11 1:22 AM
Okay finally read the Penn State police report. Gonna go vomit and then go to bed and stare at the ceiling all night.


I wanted to take a shower, but there isn't enough water in the world that would make me feel clean after reading that. BTW Sandusky wrote an autobiography entitled "Touched"
Gag a maggot!

[Divernan]

11. GOP Gov. Corbett protecting Paterno & Paterno's son, a GOP congressional candidate.

Comment following Pennlive article linked in OP:
http://www.pennlive.com /

Once again, Tom Corbett lets the people at the top off the hook. Only this time, the world is watching.

"Paterno wasn't charged, but if Sandusky is guilty he would be guilty," writes Mike Wise of the Washington Post. "Joe Pa knew, if the charges are true. They all knew. And they never told police."

"The chief question is this: If Curley, Schultz and Spanier believed it was no longer appropriate to allow Sandusky to bring children onto the Penn State campus – an act that suggests some concern over his behavior – how could they possibly believe his actions didn’t warrant a full police investigation?" Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports asks.

Inquirer columnist Bob Ford: Joe Paterno is done.

The Post-Gazette's Gene Collier: It's truly staggering that these professional academics -- including Paterno -- when faced with an allegation so serious and so sanctimoniously mishandled by the Catholic church almost simultaneously, somehow knew only the wrong thing to do.

Around the country, everyone wants to know: if Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz are charged for failure to report a crime, why aren't Paterno and Spanier?

Welcome to Pennsylvania, and Tom Corbett's Office of Attorney General.

Paterno and Spanier aren't charged for the same reason Speaker Sam Smith wasn't charged in "Computergate." The same reason LeRoy S. Zimmerman wasn't charged in the Hershey Trust scandals. The list goes on.

The reason is that Tom Corbett's OAG simply doesn't charge the truly powerful and influential. (Until and unless he absolutely has to in order to protect his political career)

Joe Paterno, millionaire, friend of George H.W. Bush and father of Republican congressional candidate Scott Paterno - does anyone really think Corbett's OAG in a million years was going to charge that guy?

No, Corbett's OAG only charges public figures who are already unpopular, whose guilt the public already is predisposed to believe.

While the sports pundocracy sees heinous crimes in Paterno's and Spanier's failure to act upon their mere knowledge of a crime, no one seems bothered by Smith actual participation in crimes.

Smith signed the checks that paid for illegal software contracts, sat in on meetings about their use, was included on emails about the progress of the illegal scheme.

The case against Jerry Sandusky makes it clear that Paterno and Spanier knew about Sandusky's crimes and never reported them, and an outraged public demands to know why they're not arrested. The Computergate and case reveal far more culpability from Smit, but no one even notices, much less cares.

[n2doc]

12. In the end, Jo Pa is going down

I will bet he hangs on until the end of this season and then 'retires voluntarily' . He was a part of the cover up as well, and his legacy is ruined. There is way too much damning evidence in that report IMHO for anyone at PS to remain.

[grasswire]

13. friend of father Bush -- ugh

How old is Joe Paterno? Seems like he has been a public name forever!

[defendandprotect]

29. One could consider that patriarchy is held together by sexual abuse ....

of one another -- of women -- and of children -- !!!

Look at what we're seeing with the rise of the right!!

PLUS the only way they can rise is via political violence -- lies, stolen elections!!

[KamaAina]

16. What happens to the ice cream?

Yup, he has his own flavor at Penn State's creamery.

[JVS]

48. It will no longer be Peachy Paterno.

Maybe it will be called Pedophile Protector Paterno Peach.

[gratuitous]

35. I don't think he makes it to the end of the season

This will destroy Joe Paterno by Thanksgiving. And if what I've read (particularly at the Lawyers, Guns and Money blog) is even half true, it should. How does Penn State ask people to go to their games and cheer for the dear old Blue and White of the Nittany Lions knowing that Paterno is up in the press box? It can't be done. It won't be done. Paterno has held on for at least the last five years as a figurehead to rack up some meaningless lifetime victory totals. His legacy will not be the winningest football coach ever; it will be as the man who let Jerry Sandusky rape little boys and made sure he had a steady supply of new prey.

[NashVegas]

14. I Think It's Going to Wreck a Lot More Than Penn State

I think this story has the potential to rip the lid off of school sports coaching, not unlike the Church has been.

[Tatiana]

15. Unbelieavably sad. I am so disgusted with the whole AD and school President.

They HAD to have know this was going on. There is no way Joe P can say he was fooled.

Those poor children. I hope all the individuals responsible are sued civilly for everything they have and may have in the future.

[Jankyn]

18. Don't forget Rene Portland...

...the Penn State women's basketball coach who harassed and abused women who were lesbians or even perceived to be lesbians on her team.

Joe Paterno helped keep that going for years and years, until finally some brave young women stood up and sued.

Discrimination against women and oppression of GLBT people is part and parcel with the sort of hierarchical/patriarchical thinking that allows the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. It's a way of thinking that says men are the only people who matter, and we can overlook anything they do if it advances our goals.

They need to fire everybody in the athletic department and start over with some new professionals who aren't part of the abusive culture of silence and oppression.

[Fumesucker]

21. I disagree...

They need to end the extramural athletic program altogether, it's clearly compromised beyond repair.

Tear the stadium down and salt the earth where it sat so nothing will ever grow there again.

Carthargo delenda est..

[defendandprotect]

31. +1 -- even better!!

[Are_grits_groceries]

36. I thought about that.

I'd want them to burn down the pertinent athletic buildings and plant trees there. Start over completely. Would you want to shower there or follow in those footsteps?
I know good people are and have been at PSU, but this is one crime that leaves an indelible mark on the entire place. YOU DO NOT MESS WITH KIDS!!! EVER!!! That they were chosen from very vulnerable children makes this even more heinous if that's possible.

One of the boys that testified said he hid in the basement of Sandusky's house when he would come downstairs to the basement. Sandusky brought them home to 'help them.' Can you imagine the terror of that kid with a powerful person doing this to him? Who could he turn to that he think would believe him?

This is just so heinous and so sad!

BTW I heard on ESPN that an attorney for one of the officials involved was making a comparison to a traffic ticket? I think he better run that back and rethink his strategy. That tactic will pour gasoline on the fire.

[Downwinder]

37. Worked for Chicago.

[RobinA]

60. Do You Really Think

that this only happens in athletics? I mean, I'm no fan of sports generally, but lets get real. The only reason you don't hear about when its the math department is that it doesn't make the papers.

[defendandprotect]

30. KR -- Recall hearing abou tthat case -- and agree -- just more cover up -- !!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

64. But Rene Portland was a woman!

But....but....what about the patriarchy??? She must have been a man in drag! We all know from your posts that only men and all men are EVIL!

[Gin]

22. wiki says he is married and has 6 adopted children.....sounds

like the foot tapping congressman (can't recall his name) whose wife stood beside him at a press conference once he was outed. The kids were hers..he adopted them.

wonder if he molested any of his kids....don't know the gender of all but has 2 sons listed in wiki..

poor kids...his deeds have tarnished the whole family and all the kids he harmed....

may he go to jail and meet himself!

[defendandprotect]

32. K/R --- quite a concern - trust someone is trying to find out -- !!

[defendandprotect]

23. And this should also cause even more concern re Sandusky . . .

Sandusky, once considered Paterno's heir apparent, retired in 1999 but continued to use the school's facilities for his work with The Second Mile, a foundation he established to help at-risk kids.

Trust someone is checking with that foundation's children and find out what's been going on

there!!

[fishwax]

33. According to the PSU admins, they informed the foundation of allegations in 2002

But Sandusky remained with the organization, I believe, until he retired a couple of years (right around the time the grand jury investigation began).

Now, I don't know whether Curley and Schultz actually DID tell Second Mile about the allegations, or whether they just told the organization that Sandusky was no longer allowed to use university facilities to work with kids from the organization. One of the two (can't remember which) testified that they informed Second Mile of the reason for the policy change, but (as suggested by the perjury charges issued against them) their testimony may not be reliable.

[Are_grits_groceries]

38. The original DA, Ray Gricar, who opted not to prosecute in 1998 disappeared completely in 2005.

Case of Missing Pa. District Attorney Baffles Police, Family
Jan 25, 2011 – 7:15 PM
Authorities in Pennsylvania have spent nearly six years trying to determine the fate of Ray Frank Gricar, an esteemed district attorney who vanished without a trace. No one knows what happened, but family members are hoping a fresh look at the case could generate new leads.

"We're over five years now," Gricar's nephew, Tony Gricar, told AOL News. " been pulled in 900 different directions my own theories vary, depending on which way the wind is blowing."

Ray Gricar was 59 years old in April 2005. He had served as the district attorney of Centre County for nearly 20 years and was preparing to retire at the end of the year. Gricar's career was a success, he was involved in a happy relationship with a woman who worked in his office and he was close to his 27-year-old daughter, Lara. Gricar, by all accounts, had lived a pleasant life and was looking forward to an ideal retirement.

On the morning of April 15, 2005, Gricar called his girlfriend, Patty Fornicola, and told her he was going for a drive on Route 192, toward nearby Lewisburg. The trip was not out of the ordinary and Gricar reportedly had gone to the town on several occasions in the past to shop at an antique store.

Gricar failed to return home later that night, and calls to his cell phone went unanswered. Concerned, Fornicola contacted Bellefonte police and reported him missing. The following day, Gricar's red and white 2004 Mini Cooper was found locked and abandoned in a Lewisburg parking lot, not far from the Susquehanna River. Gricar was nowhere to be found. A search of his vehicle did not indicate a struggle or any sign of foul play, but investigators did find cigarette ashes inside the vehicle.

"Now we're not talking a lot. some minute cigarette ash on the passenger's side," Bellefonte police officer Darrell Zaccagni told The Cleveland Free Times in 2005. "When they opened the car ... a cigarette smell came out of the car. Ray didn't smoke. And he never let anybody smoke inside his Mini Cooper. Ray was very fastidious about his car."

Gricar's cell phone was locked inside the vehicle, but his keys and other personal effects, including his wallet, were missing. Search dogs were brought in, but they were unable to pick up on Gricar's scent. Investigators questioned nearby store owners about Gricar. At least one thought he had seen the district attorney inside his shop on the day he disappeared and another was certain he saw Gricar speaking with an unknown woman, but whether or not the man they saw was Gricar remains unclear.

A search of the Centre County home that Gricar and Fornicola shared also failed to produce any leads. None of his personal belongings was missing, but his work laptop was nowhere to be found. Gricarfor all intents and purposes, had vanished.
<snip>
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/25/case-of-missing-pa-district-attorney-ray-gricar-baffles-police/

I'm not saying this mess and his disappearance are connected, but it's a really weird story. If there was any mess I would want to get out of the way of, it would be one like this. Was he involved in some shite too?
Just plain odd..........

[Fawke Em]

59. This was featured on the ID show, "Disappeared."

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/disappeared/the-missing/ray-gricar.html

I saw that. Very interesting, indeed. Maybe now that the cat's out of the proverbial bag, Gricar's family can learn what happened to him.

[defendandprotect]

63. Interesting -- is there any reason to think he was investigating Sandusky/Penn State?

[Are_grits_groceries]

66. I have no idea.

However, he was the DA who rejected prosecution of Sandusky in 1998 for some reason. It is a very weird coincidence that he disappeared.

I'll bet that somebody takes another look at him through any PSU info he may have been working on. His laptop and hard drive were destroyed.

[defendandprotect]

68. Guess I should get into the files ... but WHAT was Sandusky being prosecuted for in '98???

[defendandprotect]

69. For record: "Investigation by University Police in 1998 -- !!

Investigation by University Police --

What prosecution says Penn State officials knew about Sandusky
Centre Daily Times
Published Saturday, Nov. 05, 2011



Schultz acknowledged to the grand jury that he was aware of a 1998 University Police investigation into allegations of sexually inappropriate behavior involving Sandusky and young boys in the football showers, but did not pursue the matter, which had not resulted in any criminal charges.

and current case --

“One of the most compelling and disturbing pieces of testimony in this investigation came from an eyewitness to a late-night sexual assault that allegedly occurred in March of 2002, in the locker room of the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus,” said Attorney General Linda Kelly.

“Hearing what sounded like sexual activity in the showers of a building that was supposed to be empty, a graduate assistant reportedly observed Sandusky sexually assaulting a naked boy who appeared to be about 10 years old.”


http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/05/v-print/4033027/what-prosecution-says-penn-state.html




Sadly, witness to 2002 incident didin't directly report it to the police.

Probably more info somewhere on the 1998 investigation -- who reported it, etal.

[defendandprotect]

72. Report: Penn State president will be gone by end of day

Report: Penn State president will be gone by end of day

With news that longtime head football coach Joe Paterno plans to retire at the end of this season, Penn State president Graham Spanier will either resign or be voted out by the board of trustees by the end of the day, according to The Express-Times.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=nfp-20111109_report_penn_state_president_will_be_gone_by_end_of_day




But -- above all -- remember that "Sports build character" --- !!!



:eyes:

[Avalux]

39. I am really, really sad and upset about this...

I've always been proud of the fact that my school has such a great reputation when it comes to high standards and doing the right thing (especially with the football program). Now that's gone. :cry:

Those poor kids and the cover up.....ugh....

:cry:

[Gin]

40. Sports Illustrated did did an article on Sandusky.....it's enough

sappy praise to make a person throw up....lots of info in this article...

If Sandusky did not have such a human side, there would be a temptation around Happy Valley to canonize him: Saint Sandusky, leader of linebackers, molder of men

and this.......

Working under Paterno takes something out of a man, too. Sandusky was asked last week if he'll miss Joe Pa. "Well, not exactly," he said. "You have to understand that so much of our time was spent under stress, figuring out how to win. That takes a toll. We've had our battles. I've quit. I've been fired. I've walked around the building to cool off." Paterno says, "I'm not the easiest guy to work with." Millen puts it another way: "Figuratively speaking, that Paterno nose is everywhere."

hmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017979/index.htm

[GoneOffShore]

46. Ruin Penn State? It's always had a bad rep.

Party school, kids binge drinking, kids falling out of dorm windows, the school where "date rape" happens every weekend and a place that's more interested in football than academics.

Want to film an episode of "Jackass"? Penn State

Want to film an episode of "Girls Gone Wild"? Penn State

Film an episode of "Is She Really Going Out With Him?"? Penn State

The best place to study for the Darwin Awards? Penn State

Rick Santorum's alma mater? Penn State

And for all you Nittany Lion alumni out there: You knew , one way or another, that this sort of thing went on and continues to go on.

[Dulcinea]

54. Did PSU refuse you admission or something?

You really seem to hate the whole institution.

[GoneOffShore]

56. No they didn't turn me down because I never applied.

No desire to go to a place that puts an over emphasis on sport rather than academics.

My dislike is based on anecdotal experiences with Penn State grads. The majority that I've met seem to possess an overabundance of the asshole gene.

YMMV

[LynneSin]

55. If Joe Paterno knew about it he needs to resign now. And I've read where he knew

Shame on him!

[librechik]

71. it was already ruined--only a coverup kept a veil of lies over the crimes.

If I were a recent graduate, say in the last 15 years, i would sue becasue Penn State's reputation is screwed.

[Efilroft Sul]

73. If Penn State doesn't receive the NCAA death penalty for this…

…then what will? This incident is about as heinous as it gets.

[hifiguy]

74. The football program, definitely, the administration, maybe,

the school not so much. The good professors and administrators are still there and they are the backbone of any good university.

[muriel_volestrangler]

76. And the rioting by students now makes them look like they condone pedophilia too

Yeah, you called it; Penn State is ruined.