So an attractive, blonde, conservative Republican woman is accusing Cain of ASSAULT.

[pnwmom]

If this doesn't change some tea baggers minds, nothing will.

[catbyte]

1. I predict we will hear whining because she is White

Cretins, all. And Cain is a creep and a letch.

[bluestateguy]

2. White Southern good ole' boys

Any Republican needs that vote. A black man accosting a hot white woman is going to stir these voters' racial anxieties.

[Speck Tater]

3. Being a teabagger is all about being unable to change your mind.

As soon as a person is shown to be capable of changing their mind about anything they are excommunicated from the teabagger cult.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

4. We will soon find out just how much the Tea Baggers hate Mitt

If Cain still enjoys support after this, he'll know that he can do virtually anything and suffer no political consequences among ultra right wingers.

[liberal N proud]

5. Your assuming Teabaggers have minds to change

[pnwmom]

19. LOL. True, and that WAS a mistake. nt

[PurityOfEssence]

6. Sadly, when it's an issue of race or gender, gender seems to take the hit.

Changing the minds of reactionaries is skew with the concept: conservatism is based upon rigid certainty, and evidence to the contrary ricochets away like so much chaff.

[redqueen]

14. +1

[RZM]

23. Interesting observation. That was one of the prosecution's biggest blunders in the OJ trial

They thought that the domestic violence angle would trump Nicole being white with African-American female jurors. In fact the opposite happened. That wasn't the only reason they lost, but it was a major part of it.

[tblue]

7. They castigated Anita Hill and they will this one too.

I don't know anything about this accuser. But I think they'll be rougher on this woman than they will on Herman Cain. He will lose some voters but he will retain support from the talking heads. First, because they're sexist and second, because IOKIRDI. They never ever admit any of them is wrong.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. but Anita had no credibility, because, you know, she

er. . . . ah . . . . ah . . . . didn't have blond hair.

[TheWraith]

16. I disagree.

I think that among the Republican base, which overlaps VERY heavily with "racists," the fact that this is a white blond woman is going to push a lot of buttons. It plays to popular racist stereotypes.

Honestly, I'd PREFER if they all rallied around him, and kept pushing him higher. If he actually squeaked through and got the nomination, he would be a disaster in the general election for them. But I don't think it's likely.

[Tatiana]

27. Not going to happen to this one. Apparently she's blond-haired.

Sadly, in this society, that still makes a big difference.

[spanone]

8. 'nothing will' for 20, alex

[Arkansas Granny]

9. Rush will convince them that she seduced him and make Cain the victim.

The tea baggers won't let something this trivial change their minds.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. the cain and abel story, in reverse, huh?

[Sheepshank]

45. Exactly....and she knew 10 +years ago she's be able to use this to derail Cain's bid for POTUS

Same way, Obama knew he was going to run for POTUS, so he hurriedly put an announcement in the paper of his birth.

[pipi_k]

10. Won't happen

for a good many of them.

Some will think he's innocent whatever the evidence is. Wouldn't matter if a camera caught him doing it. They would still claim it was someone else...not him.

Also...some of them will accuse this woman of being...


A LIBERAL PLANT!!!


Yes...just like if Herman Cain were a Democrat accused by a nice Liberal lady, some people on this side would indeed suspect her of being a "plant" by the Evil RWers.


Politics. Pathetic...entertaining... at the same time.

[Jack Rabbit]

11. Tea baggers don't think like the rest of us

Many (but not all) say this is no big thing.

Among those that think this is no big think, some may now start thinking it's a big thing because Mr. Cain in black and the woman is white.

Others will continue to think that, in the business world, rank has its privileges, and any woman should be submissive to the boss.

And then there will be those who say regardless of their feelings about race or social class/gender, IOKIYAR.

[HappyMe]

15. Somehow, this will end up being her fault.

He will come out of it looking like a 'victim'.

[Kahuna]

17. The freeps are still solidly behind cain...

:applause:

[Booster]

18. Poor teabaggers. They have to choose between a black man

and a white woman. That's a tough choice for them.

[RockaFowler]

20. Nope - no difference to them at all

They still say there is no evidence. My God, what does it take for these people?? I guess even if Herb Cain were to come out right now and say that he did it, they still wouldn't believe it

[FarCenter]

21. Since touching was involved, the offense would be BATTERY

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/battery

[pnwmom]

22. Doesn't an assault involve touching? n/t

[Bandit]

25. I don't think so

I think assault is threatening harm while battery is actually doing the deed.

[pnwmom]

26. Any woman who is having a large man grope under her skirt

while he is grabbing her head and pushing it toward his crotch will feel threatened. Believe me.

Her allegations describe both assault and battery, I think.

[TBF]

29. Assault is when you're threatened, when there is actual physical contact it's battery. nt

[pnwmom]

32. Of course she was threatened. Who wouldn't be, if a man was grabbing her head

and pulling it toward his crotch while he had his hand up her skirt.

If she's telling the truth -- and she seems very credible to me -- then he probably committed assault and battery.

[TBF]

33. I don't disagree at all - I think he should be charged with both. nt

[pnwmom]

24. I think that his actions comprise both assault and battery.

He touched her, and he caused her to fear that he would act even more offensively.

From your link:

Assault (tort)

In common law, assault is the tort of acting intentionally and voluntarily causing the reasonable apprehension of an immediate harmful or offensive contact. Because assault requires intent, it is considered an intentional tort, as opposed to a tort of negligence. Actual ability to carry out the apprehended contact is not necessary

As distinguished from battery, assault need not to involve actual contact—it only needs intent and the resulting apprehension. For example, wielding a knife; or yelling the word snake to a person whom you know is in fear of snakes can be construed as assault if a fearful situation was created.

While the law varies by jurisdiction, contact is often defined as "harmful" if it objectively intends to injure, disfigure, impair, or cause pain. The act is deemed "offensive" if it would offend a reasonable person’s sense of personal dignity. While "imminence" is judged objectively and varies widely on the facts, it generally suggests there is little to no opportunity for intervening acts. Lastly, the state of "apprehension" should be differentiated from the general state of fear, as apprehension requires only that the person be aware of the imminence of the harmful or offensive act.

[yellowcanine]

31. Yes her allegations would be assault, had she chosen to press the case. But unless she had some

physical evidence she would be hard pressed to prove it. The statements from individuals who were told of it at the time would likely help - but not be fool proof. His lawyers could say she was setting him up to get a financial settlement and thought better of it when he backed off.

[pnwmom]

35. Yes -- hard to prove, which is probably why she didn't even try.

Most women probably wouldn't, under those circumstances.

But Cain can no longer avoid addressing this on the grounds that there was nothing but anonymous accusers.

[yellowcanine]

43. I suspect Cain will try to avoid addressing it directly. His apologists will mount a smear

campaign against this woman. Watch for it. They have to try to take her down. They do have to be careful though. If they get too aggressive and it can be connected to Cain it will backfire.

[yellowcanine]

28. The last part of your statement is correct - for some, nothing will change the mind of a bagger.

Cain probably still gets 20-25% of Republican primary votes, but what this does is make that his ceiling. He can't win the Republican primary at that level and he for sure would not beat Obama.

[slackmaster]

30. Was this incident reported to law enforcement when it happened?

I'm stuck in a cube and can't watch TV.

[pnwmom]

36. No. But Allred provided two sworn statements, one by a physician

who was her boyfriend at the time and one by a businessperson, both attesting that she told them about the incident at the time.

The physician was the one who suggested to her that she ask Cain for help getting her job back or finding a new job, since the couple had met Cain at dinner and he'd been so nice to them.

[MilesColtrane]

34. "It's not assault. It's just a sexual advance you can't refuse."

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

37. Does Rand Paul still think women can't take a joke?

Or is Paul now willing to apologize to the women of America and admit he's a complete unthinking moron?

[Shrek]

38. So a blond, conservative Republican is presumed to be truthful?

I'm a little surprised to see that around here.

[seabeyond]

40. but a poor, black maid just wanted to give an old strange man a bj during her shift

cleaning up after people

[Quantess]

41. That's not the point.

The point is that the white woman / black man dynamic is going to be a deal breaker for a lot of white social conservatives.

[slackmaster]

42. Only when it's convenient

:shrug:

[yellowcanine]

44. I think it is a devil's advocate proposition - thinking that this puts Republicans in a bind.

However as I stated above - there will be an effort to tie her to Democrats, whatever contortions and guilt by association it requires. And if they can turn her into Anita Hill somehow you know they will. Watch for it.

[JI7]

39. i have always felt they would turn on him if any of those women were White

if the women were Black they would probably support him more.