Does anyone in the USA actually give a shit about Hu Jintao's visit?

[HEyHEY]

Over here the media is going at it like the original Nixon/Mao visit in the 70s. Frankly, it's irritating. I just hope that finally some in the US call China on their hypocritical bullshit, such as always arguing about trade protectionism then being more closed off than the countries they accuse.

The west sometimes handles these things TOO diplomatically. Sometimes China's leaders need to be told to just shut up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. There is a visit?

No, not kidding... our nooz, as always, is not that good about them furiegner leaders that come with funny names, from strange lands

I'll check on the BBC later.

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[Codeine]

25. There's been plenty of coverage.

Every cable news channel has discussed it, as has NPR.

[Blue-Jay]

2. Hu?

[HEyHEY]

4. HU-SA, HU-SA!

[Blue-Jay]

8. Will his advisor Idon Noe be attending?

[HEyHEY]

9. No, but next month the busy Indian minister "Bin Der Dun Dat" is coming

[Art_from_Ark]

72. Hu's on first

Hwat's on second

[OwnedByFerrets]

5. We have NO choice but to be diplomatic. China owns us, lock stock and barrel.

[HEyHEY]

7. Bullshit

If you wanted to tomorrow you could shut them down, and they know that. With them owning all this debt if you fail, they do to.

You could also say "Tough shit, you're not getting your money." What are they gonna do about it?

[OwnedByFerrets]

74. Do you have ANY

fucking idea how much of American is being bought up by foreign entities???
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0227-20.htm
Its only gotten worse since Tom wrote this brilliant piece.

[HEyHEY]

81. Doesn't matter, it's like any investment

If the investment tanks, your money is gone. In this case, if the USA goes, china loses all that dough and the USA Starts again.

[Lint Head]

6. Walmart cares.

[delightfulstar]

75. True...

They and the Chinese are getting filthy rich, while we flounder. Sam must be rolling in his grave. I don't shop at Sprawl Mart - I'd rather support a company who doesn't condone unfair labor practices.

[bighart]

76. Which companies are those?

Not being snarky just curious as there is so much that is not made in the US anymore and
most of the large retail chains have very similar policies regarding their employees.

[delightfulstar]

78. Relatively speaking, of course.

Sprawl Mart tends to be the worst of all, and I can't stand their anti-labor, Repuke-baiting, small town-wrecking ways. If I can try to buy locally sourced items, I do. It's a challenge to find things that are made here in the States, I will agree, but they're out there.

[bighart]

80. Thanks for the response.

I don't know that I agree that the beast of bentonville is the worst in terms of anti-labor policies, from what I have seen and read most big box retailers are about the same in this regard, they are, however, the biggest and they really accelerated the race to the bottom

[Demeter]

10. Anybody paying attention to the economy is

and anyone who is worried about Geithner, Bernanke, and Obama....

[pa28]

11. The US does handle things a little too diplomatically with China.

The Chinese really seem to take pleasure at sticking their fingers in our eye in subtle ways.

The latest example was testing of the new stealth fighter during the Gates visit. That was no accident but he actually asked the Chinese if it was just a coincidence.

:rofl:

I'd really like to see the US government push back with a little gamesmanship of their own once in a while.

[HEyHEY]

12. Selling arms to Taiwan was a good one. BUt I'd like to see more smartass comments

So much crap China says just needs to be debunked. For instance... if a US company wants to do business here they need a chinese partner. Seems to me it ain't the same in the US....and they have the nerve to call the USA protectionist? And yet NO ONE calls them on this shit.

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[pa28]

65. I can see that.

It's the diplomatic angle that tends to get under my skin. It goes back to Hainan incident and maybe further. Remember the US surveillance plane that collided with a Chinese fighter?

The Bush administration apologized, bowed and scraped. Diplomatically speaking we've "turned the other cheek" ever since.

The concept of losing face may not seem culturally important to us but if the Chinese make a running joke of it even they will start to think it means something. Like you implied; why not call them out for once and see what happens?

[MadBlogger]

71. Are you serious?

I think that China is the only government in the world that the United States should be diplomatic with. A, they do not need us. B, they do not like us, and C, they are 1.2 billion strong with the military technology to boot. I say be diplomatic with the Chinese and assure world peace as long as they are diplomatic with us. Remember, they are not one's to be bullied with like the United States does with everyone else.

[pa28]

73. Relatively, yes.

China has been pushing the U.S. diplomatically for a long time and we must be, in China's eyes, developing an interesting pattern of docile responses (see post #65). Their stated goal is to challenge our hegemon in asia and eventually the world. China is getting a very good start but they have a long way to go.

As for the idea China is on par with the US as a military power I'd go look at www.globalsecurity.org for some backround and reference. Raw numbers mean very little against hardware and technology.

[2Design]

13. Corporations and congress people getting funding and power players care

the rest of us think the way they treat people is not so good but our government is becoming similar

[CLANG]

14. Darn, I gave a large shit earlier in the day! I'll have to wait till tomorrow.

[spanone]

15. yes, let's piss off the other half of the world

[HEyHEY]

19. Well, the point is they piss everyone else off...so why be nice ?

I'm not talking about starting a war. Just saying, "up yours" every now and then

[Violet_Crumble]

17. Not being American, I'd give as much of a shit as I would about visits from the Canadian PM or Obama

Though I have noticed that people who get fixated on one particular issue will insist that the media is either saturated with that issue or not talking about it enough, but that it gets special treatment compared to everything else. There's not many world leaders who's visits would get me particularly interested, and seeing as how the US is just as fucking hypocritical as China, I wouldn't care less about either leader visiting here...

[Lasher]

18. I don't know what they'll be talking about.

But I have it on good authority that Obama is willing to compromise.

[JVS]

20. No.

I mean, nice visit to him and all, but it's not exactly like anyone here cares about the guy,

[HEyHEY]

21. You should see Chinese media this week

It's way over the top.

[Violet_Crumble]

22. Gasp! The Chinese media is covering an OS visit by their leader? The horror!

How is that different than how the Canadian media covering their leaders jaunts to other countries? Or any other country when it comes to their leader? Ours gets absolutely orgasmic when it comes to our PM visiting the US...

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[mmonk]

24. I'm interested in looking at who corporate America supports from time to time.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. Is China a major trading partner of the US?

When it comes to the level of coverage of foreign leaaders, I've noticed that the bigger the trading partner, the more enthusiastic the coverage is of their visit. The only exception I can think of is Bush's visit, where much of the local coverage was negative and about how due to him sleeping at the US embassy, the entire city was kept awake all night by fighter jets patrolling the city, roads being closed and stopping us from getting to work, and Parliament House being overrun by American security instead of our own...

[HEyHEY]

27. So, you've been lecturing me on China and you don't even know

They are the second largest trading partner to the USA? And the third largest export market for the US?

[Blue-Jay]

32. Second? Who's the first?

Probably some fucked up country that nobody has ever heard of.

[HEyHEY]

33. Even worse; Canada

[Violet_Crumble]

35. As the poster said, some fucked up country no-one's ever heard of. n.t

[HEyHEY]

43. Now who's being xenophobic

[Violet_Crumble]

44. Does the word xenophobia mean something different in Canadian English?

Just askin'...

[HEyHEY]

48. Well, you clearly have a fear of Canadians based on this and your other posts

[Violet_Crumble]

51. Clearly. I just suffered a horrifying Bryan Adams flashback!

Canada has an awful lot to answer for!

[HEyHEY]

53. You've never even had poutine, it gets worse

[Blue-Jay]

37. *blink blink*

[HEyHEY]

40. You're nothing without our syrup, comedy and lumber imports!

[Blue-Jay]

57. Damn you for playing the KITH-card!

Scoundrel!

[Violet_Crumble]

42. Yeah, but what do they export? Nickelback?

They don't even rate a mention when it comes to our trading partners. They're just some Commonwealth country that talk like Americans, don't play cricket, and produce some really bad bands ;)

[Blue-Jay]

54. To be fair, they've already apologized for Bryan Adams.

On the other hand, they cruelly consider Celine Dion to be our problem now.

[mmonk]

59. Canada is my favorite country due to its closeness.

I'm recommending my sons move to your country. I'm too old and they probably won't take me.

[HEyHEY]

63. I think it's easier if you're of retirement age.

[mmonk]

66. Wouldn't it cost me a lot of money?

[HEyHEY]

67. I'm not sure, check out the Canadian government's website

I believe if you can prove you'll not need a job and have health insurance, it ain't hard.

[mmonk]

68. OK

[Violet_Crumble]

38. I haven't been lecturing you, and not being American, why should I know?

I didn't know, which is why I asked. Got anything else you want to whine about?

[HEyHEY]

39. Regarding you? About a million things.

[Violet_Crumble]

47. I can pretend I'm Chinese if it'll help them flow more easily! n/t

[HEyHEY]

49. Well, I am Canadian so I know your venomous hatred with comeout very easily

[Violet_Crumble]

55. It all stems back to my Canadian 3rd grade teacher...

Because she was Canadian she thought we'd all be as fascinated as her by boring documentaries about Canada. Then there was the Canadian who got offended and all self-righteous because I couldn't pick their accent from an American one. And then came Nickelback. Venemous could possibly be an understatement! ;0

[HEyHEY]

58. You kiwis are too hot tempered. Eat fewer enchiladas.

[Violet_Crumble]

61. Kiwi?? Calling me a Kiwi is that one step too far across the line!

I can talk like one when I'm over there, though for some strange reason the natives can always work out that I'm an Australian saying 'sex' instead of 'six'. But calling me a Kiwi? No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTwAoFR4DuM

[HEyHEY]

62. And how often do you say that over there?

No morals down under... filthy, promiscous savages.

[mmonk]

28. I don't know if you can call it a trading partner (it's one sided).

US corporations look at China and other countries as their future and send their manufacturing there.

[HEyHEY]

29. The US exports more than you think to China

Third largest export market for the USA.

[eilen]

34. We export lots of jobs

and pretty much let them steal whatever technology they want.

[Violet_Crumble]

36. Only technology? That's nothing...

If I'm remembering correctly, Chinese companies tried to purchase a couple of major Australian mines so they could cut out the middle man and own all the resources straight from the get-go. I understand the concept of foreign investment, but that one was taking the whole concept way too far and got hit on the head pretty quickly...

[HEyHEY]

41. You guys have pretty harsh restrictions on tech exports to them, actually

But, Jintao is planning on getting the US to open that up... DO NOT.

[mmonk]

46. Yes but only so we can invest there and use their labor.

We also can manufacture many of the parts of our final products there using their labor while labor here is dismantled. The globalists have it all figured out.

[HEyHEY]

56. yeha, true. It's really sad.

[mmonk]

60. I did see where they (China) are moving a company or two

to my state. We're actually trading places and we're watching it happen. First, the corporatists had to break labor here though.

[Violet_Crumble]

30. I was just looking at our list of two-way trading partners...

I'm in Australia, btw. China's #1 by a long shot, and the US comes in at #3

http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/focus/081201_top10_twoway_exports.html

I know from experience that there tends to be far more media excitement over the visit of the leader of our #3 trading partner than our #1. But the media attention lavished on Oprah during her recent visit outdid all of them combined....

[Bozita]

31. That's the EXACT topic of tonight's Charlie Rose Show

Tonight on Charlie Rose:

January 18, 2011
Tonight a look at Hu Jintao's visits to Washington D.C. with Richard McGregor of the 'Financial Times,' David Leonhardt of 'The New York Times,' Cheng Li of The Brookings Institution and Wu Jianmin, Vice Chairman of the China Institute for Innovation and Development Strategy.

Be sure to check with your local PBS affiliate to see when Charlie Rose airs in your city.


www.charlierose.com

[rug]

45. He any relation to Tsingtao?

[HEyHEY]

50. Nope, that's actually "Qing Dao"

Tsing Tao was the German bastardized spelling.

[AnnieBW]

52. I care more about Doctor Hu

Sorry... Doctor Who.

[Cali_Democrat]

64. It's all a dog and pony show like most other state visits

To answer your question, Americans live in a bubble. Most don't even know who Hu Jintao is.

The news now days is filled with infotainment. Something like this is not a major story in the US media.

[Populist_Prole]

69. Exactly, just a dog & pony show

China will agree to be nice, if even a nebulous fashion, and buy more treasury bonds.....and in return, the US will promise to throw some more of its working class under the bus.

Second verse, same as first.

[MadBlogger]

70. That is funny...

That's funny, because I am sure the Chinese feel the same way about the United States and are posting it somewhere in China on a Chinese Message Board. Oh, wait, I forgot, the Chinese are not allowed to criticize politics lest they end up in prison.

[HEyHEY]

82. They do, the difference is

The Americans at least KNOW what's going on from an atmosphere of freedom. If you read Chinese comments on websites they are some of the stupidest things you'll ever see. Cause they are fed nothing but biased bullshit. Take what you think of the USA media and multiply it by ten, that's how much shit they're fed. So many of their opinions (that you'll read online) come from complete ignorance. That said, there's tons of sharp cats here too. Most of them are anti-government.

[ensho]

77. I care. logic and reason should make all of us care

nt

[BOG PERSON]

79. you're just jealous because china's stole canada's thunder n/t