Now for a limited time: The Cross Spangled Banner

[WillParkinson]

"John Quincy Adams, Sixth President of the United States, stated, “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this — that it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

It is to be expected that as the moral character of a people degenerate, their political and social character must follow. We must judge the tree by its fruits.

As Christians, America is our responsibility second only to the Lord. And America has forgotten God.

This Christian flag of the United States is designed to do away with an arbitrary element: the star, which is proudly used, too, on the flags of China, North Korea, Vietnam, Pakistan, Somalia, Bosnia and, sadly, more like these."

http://crossspangledbanner.com/

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Never mind the original pledge did not contain the words. And I looked up the quote that is being attributed to Mr. Quincy Adams. It says it's 'unconfirmed' whether he actually said it. Many of the quotes he made regarding religion seemed intent on keeping it separate from the government.

[mmonk]

1. It's amazing to me how lies get so much traction these days.

[LiberalEsto]

2. Ironically, Quincy Adams was a Unitarian

like his father

[Gruenemann]

14. John Quincy Adams--only president not sworn in using a bible!

He swore on a law book.

[rfranklin]

3. His father wasn't too fond of the cross...

I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, from George Seldes, The Great Quotations, also from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief

[siligut]

4. "America has forgotten God"?

The extremists make us all look bad, America has not forgotten god, America just tries to keep god in perspective and on his side of the fence.

[liberal N proud]

5. Flag desecration, using Gods name in vain, propaganda

Where else is this so wrong?

[mac56]

6. I'm continually stunned how the Religious Right gets off on portraying themselves

as the victims of unprecedented persecution - -

when actually they RUN THE WHOLE SHOW in many places.

[RC]

7. What a great concept to teach our kids

Nailing people to pieces of wood as somehow being a good thing. Then commercializing the symbols.

[HughBeaumont]

8. "The Religion of Peace" . . . with a device of torture and execution as it's symbol.

"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fuckin' cross? It's kind of like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on."

- Bill Hicks

[hifiguy]

9. Or as Lenny Bruce once said back in the Sixties

If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses.


And as for the Xtianist flag, I can only :puke:

[white_wolf]

12. As odd as it sounds this one of the few things about the Mormons that I think makes sense.

They don't use images of crosses for the very reason your quote mentioned. They don't think it honors Jesus to constantly remind themselves of his death.

[immoderate]

10. Flags are born of battle. All of this is bullshit.

Right now the flag represents the oligopoly that reigns over the artificial borders we inhabit. It's significant of a really bad deal between the people and an artificial power construct.

--imm

[JNelson6563]

11. Lunacy

From what I've heard, Jesus wasn't too big on Caeser's machine, as it were. These folks apparently have reading comprehension problems.

[Desertrose]

13. Facepalm. x's 10

[struggle4progress]

15. Adams' views on religious matters may have been extremely convoluted and changing.

Here's a link that seems to have some useful info (though it also contains an obvious and glaring error about political parties):

John Quincy Adams

... Once at a dinner party in Boston he found himself in a loud theological debate with Horace Holley, a brilliant young Unitarian minister, in which Adams contended that Unitarianism's appeal was confined to "the liberal class who consider religion as merely a system of morals." At this period in his life Adams seemed almost consumed by his interest in theology and the Bible ...

Adams's religious thinking, like his political thinking, appears to have been continuously evolving ... In 1819 he wrote in his diary that "although the churches here are numerous and diversified, not one of them is of the Independent Congregational class to which I belong, the church to which I was bred, and in which I will die." Two years later he became one of the 27 founding members of the First Unitarian Church of Washington. His acceptance of the Unitarian name by no means signaled an abrupt change in his thinking, for he had for a long time evidenced liberal leanings. His acceptance of the professorship at Harvard was made on condition that the usual requirement for a declaration of religious conformity be waived ...

Adams evidently found comfort in corporate worship and regularly attended two services on Sunday when in Washington—Unitarian and, most often, Episcopal and Presbyterian. "I can," he wrote, "frequent without scruple the church of any other sect of Christians, and join with cheerfulness the social worship of all without subscribing implicitly to the doctrines of any ..."

http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/johnquincyadams.html