If women do not wish to be admired...why do they dress so attractively/provocatively? (Article)

[WillParkinson]

The below column was just tweeted out by Eagle Forum founder Phylis Schlafly. It was authored by Shirley Spellerberg of TexasGOPVote, who is backing Herman Cain.

If a man even looked at a feminist in an admiring manner, or called her ‘sweetheart, baby or honey’, the gals would cry ‘Sexual Harassment’ (although I did not see many man-hating feminists that most men would find attractive enough to speak endearing words to). If women do not wish to be admired by others, both men and other women, then why do so many women dress attractively and/or provocatively? Any grown woman worth her salt should know how to gently rebuff unwanted comments or advances without filing ‘sexual harassment’ charges when remarks or suggestions she considers ‘inappropriate’ are forthcoming.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/11/only-ugly-feminists-get-sexually.html

There is a link to the article on JoeMyGod.com that I am not going to post here because it goes to a GOP website. You can get your 'cootie feeling' just reading it on his blog.

[gratuitous]

1. Oh dear

I'm just waiting for the Eagle Forum harpies to pontificate aloud on why any woman would complain about being raped: "After all, they went out in public. With their vaginas. What did they think was going to happen?!"

For DUers wondering how any woman could support the GOP, there's the mindset right there.

[madokie]

4. You got it

[G_j]

9. +1000!

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. Not me.

I leave my vagina at home. Yep, in my vagina box decorated with pink rhinestones.

[Occulus]

55. "vagina box"

:rofl:

[joeybee12]

2. Yeah, gently rebuff him when his hand is on your neck...

What an asshole this woman is.

[redqueen]

3. And here we see an example of someone in the minority

who has completely absorbed the dominant message.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Ok I guess Phyllis needs to start wearing grunge to stand

Oh wait, that's not grunge.

Argument is the same as to why women get raped. DISGUSTING.

[tsuki]

7. I would prefer her in a burqua. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. At times I think she'd prefer Saudi

'xept it gets in the way of gleecing, gritting and the rest.

[tsuki]

35. I forgot to add...on the streets of Riyadh. She has been running her

mouth since I was a child. Typical misogynistic female.

[bemildred]

6. False hypothetical.

Women do wish to be admired, they don't wish to be attacked, coerced, or intimidated.

[riderinthestorm]

18. Exactly. +1 nt

[Avalux]

8. Phylis Shlafly - ha! She opposed the Equal Rights Amendment.....

so anything she has to say is bullshit.

How can a career woman (attorney, etc.) who advocates the necessity for women to stay home and raise children, possibly be taken seriously?

[LuvNewcastle]

10. If men don't want other guys checking them out,

why do they take off their shirts in public or wear tight jeans?

[seabeyond]

15. i have two teenage boys. i know about the primpin. and two brothers. and a hubby

lots of primpin going on for the exact same reasons as women.

right are we only discussing women

i am not talking about you.... that is off your post, but to the article

[riderinthestorm]

17. I know! When we go out, my husband takes way longer getting ready than I. nt

[Zoeisright]

12. Would some man, any man, please tell Phylis Schafly to

shut the fuck up and get back into the kitchen? Why the hell is she allowed out of the house by her husband? Who the fuck does she think she is, going out in public and telling men what to do and think?


:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[treestar]

31. Yes, the Republican hypocrisy

Is there as usual, as by their own standards, they should not be doing the things they are doing - Bachmann and Schafly and the rest.

[seabeyond]

13. a zillion x's more rebuff them than file, so article fails immediately. nt

[JackDragna]

14. Women don't mind being admired, nor do men..

..it's the whole "women are not loaves of bakery-store bread for men to squeeze at will" that confuses Mrs. Schlafly. Also, for her information, it usually doesn't take much idiotic pawing and jostling by men to turn these "pretty" women Schlafly seems to worship into the kind of people who think she's an anti-feminist dinosaur.

[Xithras]

16. Provocative? Take a behavioral cue from a nude beach.

People who read my posts with any regularity know that I'm a bit of a naturist. Mostly around my (rural) home and property, but we occasionally visit nude beaches and that sort of thing as well.

People on nude beaches are naked. That's about as attractive and provocative as it gets. Despite that, do you KNOW what happens if you walk onto a nude beach and start ogling everyone, making sexual comments, and touching others inappropriately? At the least, you'll get thrown out (often with a bit of arm twisting and unnecessary roughness). Touch someone and you're going to jail. There's pretty much zero tolerance for that sort of thing in the places I visit.

And do you know why? Because GROWNUPS SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE IN PUBLIC AND CONTROL THEIR OWN GODDAMN LIBIDO!!! If you can't walk out of your house without seeing everyone else in the world as a sexual object and your personal plaything, then please stay in your house until you learn a little self control. The clothing a woman wears makes NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL, whether we're talking about a burkha, a low cut mini, or absolutely nothing. There is nothing at all wrong with appreciating beauty when you see it, but the MOMENT that your appreciation crosses the line into lewd behavior and commentary, you've failed at the whole "act like an adult" thing.

The first rule of naturism is that "Nudity is not an invitation." If that's true for naturists, it's doubly true for people who are simply wearing clothing that you find attractive.

[redqueen]

19. +1

[liberal N proud]

23. We live in a nation of prudes who are always oppressing sexuality

And that oppression leads to abuse!

[seabeyond]

32. i think we are a nation of extreme. prude and porn obsessed.

i think both does damage and causes us issue. i think one group wanting us to be pure and one group wanting us to be their porn are equal problems. one requires submissive and one requires objectifying to a thing. not a human

[geardaddy]

36. Absolutely.

It's the prudishness that makes porn so attractive to men.

Agreed. They are equal problems.

[seabeyond]

26. without seeing everyone else in the world as a sexual object and your personal plaything

this is what my issue with today is... as opposed to the past. what i truly feel is, women today are looked at like porn. things to be used. i do not see a compliment in the looks anymore. not as a person. but that is not why i am posting on your post.

late 70's early 80's as a teen, we would do nude. i grew up with nude as a swimmer. all of us were visible in our nudity (see thru suits) and there was absolutely nothing sexual. if an adult behaved inappropriately just in looking all the adults would be on their ass. but, my friends and i would have parties and strip down at a pool or hot springs. all would strip down without making a big deal and play and have fun.

today, i see the guys gathering, clothed, as they cheer the girls to strippin, to entertain, clapping, yelling boobies boobies.

it isnt just about nudity. we did nudity. we do it in our house. we dont care. just a body. but it is what you say....

[Raksha]

42. Not always. That depends on a LOT of other variables!

Re "People on nude beaches are naked. That's about as attractive and provocative as it gets."

[Raksha]

43. I absolutely agree with you about this part, though:

And do you know why? Because GROWNUPS SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE IN PUBLIC AND CONTROL THEIR OWN GODDAMN LIBIDO!!! If you can't walk out of your house without seeing everyone else in the world as a sexual object and your personal plaything, then please stay in your house until you learn a little self control. The clothing a woman wears makes NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL, whether we're talking about a burkha, a low cut mini, or absolutely nothing. There is nothing at all wrong with appreciating beauty when you see it, but the MOMENT that your appreciation crosses the line into lewd behavior and commentary, you've failed at the whole "act like an adult" thing.

It makes absolutely no difference what a woman wears or DOESN'T wear. Even if she walks down a public street stark naked, it doesn't give anyone the right to touch her without her consent.

I say this as a heterosexual woman who had perfectly civil, non-sexual conversations with men in a coed shower, so I know exactly what you mean about the behavioral norms at nude beaches.

[Arkansas Granny]

45. +1

[dtexdem]

20. Perhaps they want to be admired, not patronized, objectified, harassed or assaulted.

I mean, just maybe that could be it.

[firehorse]

49. thank you. It's possible to be admired and respected at the same time.

Nothing wrong with being admired or admiring, just do it respectfully and with boundaries.

Narcissists seem incapable of comprehending that other people are separate from themselves and therefore are not theirs to take in any way shape or form.

[Nye Bevan]

21. People still don't get this? Admiration is just fine. Harrassment and groping are not.

Is it really that hard to understand?

[redqueen]

24. Some people really think that harassment is just positive male attention.

And that groping is borderline, but still overall complimentary.

They think that women who don't enjoy these things are the ones with the problems.

I'm not even kidding. I wish I was.

[femrap]

38. It would be nice

for a woman to be admired for her strength, courage, personality, intelligence, and other inner qualities.

Most of the outer beauty is simply the luck of the genetic pool.

[seabeyond]

44. respect, find worth, admire the things she does. not how she looks. that is what our girls need.

that is not what society gives.

our boys are admired for what they do. our girls, how they look. the parents and especially father that will give the girl admiration in what she does, has done a good job,

i saw a picture of teenage daughter her on du. she was beautiful in her power of her body. not in appearance but action. it was a picture of her ready to throw the ball. all her power, thoughtout her body, just an awesome picture. that is where we need to admire our girls.

[redqueen]

51. Women are treated as people and not simply the sex class...

I hope I live to see the day... but I know that change on that scale is probably generations away.

[lapislzi]

28. Actually, some people don't want to be admired.

Not being contrary or weird here. I have a male colleague with Asperger's. He's very handsome, but becomes very uncomfortable when even the slightest attention is paid to him or his appearance. If you were to say, "Hey, Joe, I see you got a haircut!," he'd be horrified. Unwelcome attention is...unwelcome.

On the other hand, I have friends to whom I could say, "hey, those pants make your ass look like the broad side of a barn!" and we'd just laugh.

The key is to be sensitive to how other people might be perceiving things. Context is everything. As I said elsewhere in this thread, I'd much rather someone praised my handling of a difficult situation than my appearance.

[riderinthestorm]

22. Herman Cain must be in a shitload of trouble for them to trot out Phyllis Shafly.

I guess she thinks that settlement money really means that Herman Cain could be rebuffed with gentleness. Or that money was paid simply because he called them "sweetheart"....

It's ridiculous. I was kind of hoping Shafly had died somewhere along the way and I'd simply failed to notice her obituary. What a shame she's still around spewing her bile.

[Fawke Em]

25. A woman wrote this?

What is she? Insane or brainwashed or both?

Shirley Spellerberg of TexasGOPVote either needs to volunteer at a rape clinic or "gently rebuff" her attitude.

[WillParkinson]

29. She's a Republican...

I think that answers both questions. :)

[seabeyond]

33. bah hahahah. what is she insane. then i read yours.... repug

made me laugh

[AsahinaKimi]

56. I wonder what Phylis Schlafly thinks about Sarah Palin?

I can just imagine!

[femrap]

39. brainwashed by

some organized religion.....and probably a 'queen bee....' she is the only woman allowed to work outside the home and be powerful. No other women can do that because Shirley is 'special.'

[Fawke Em]

47. Kind of like Alexandra Guarnaschelli on "Chopped."

Ever notice she never votes for a female chef?

Just sayin...


And I do believe GOP=Insane, particularly if you're not a white male in the 1 percent.

[LiberalAndProud]

27. Admiration?

Hint: I don't consider it an act of admiration to push my face to your crotch. It enrages me that Cain's defense is and will be attacking the women who accuse the perp. It is SOP and it is SICK.

[treestar]

30. Blah, blah, they are always making the stupid claim that

feminists are ugly. Sexism right there, as a woman's opinion is to be credited based on her looks by their standard.

[seabeyond]

34. because sexism is putting a woman in her place using her sexuality. so when discrediting a woman

challenging sexism, they can only do it by putting her in her place, using her sexuality.

i have found tht to be so consistently true when challenging sexisim on du expect.... prude, puritan, pearl clutcher, swooning on couch, .... yawn..., asexual, frigid, anti sex, ugly, jealous, lol lol

what have i left out.

important to be self empowered and not dependent on others to feel good about oneself. or else in a world of hurt.

[Solly Mack]

40. I hope that self-loathing idiot doesn't have children.

[Withywindle]

46. She has a gay son, IIRC

[Solly Mack]

48. I know Schlafly does. I was wondering about Spellerberg.

[Arugula Latte]

41. Oh, FFS. Just drop dead already, Phylis.

[chrisa]

50. Oh yes, because women only dress up for men. Of course.

Such tripe.

[Raine]

57. I remember a study a few years back, they found that women dressed for other women

and men also dress for women. True(??) I don't know but I found it interesting to ponder on. :shrug: Anyway it kind of blows the claim that women dress for men.

[slackmaster]

52. Linked article is sadly lacking in pictures. I must regrettably Unrec.

:nuke:

[WillParkinson]

53. Um....sure....right

OK

[Marnie]

54. Why should a women not be all that she can be?

Why should women diminish themselves except that some men make this such a dangerous world to live in if they don't diminish themselves?

Looking your best is not an invitation to abuse, it is just looking your best. Any more than leaving work and walking to your car to go home is an invitation to be assaulted, or than being born a female is an invitation to your dad to serially rape you.

Leave it to a super Repo to leave logic up her ass hole. Phylis must find it very hard to live with the Phylis that hates her woman-hood so much.