Does anyone find it odd that the person who reported seeing PSU Def Coach having sex with a minor...

[LynneSin]

Is the current Wide Receiver coach for Penn State Football team?

Back then he was a grad student and coaching assistant.

I mean I can't imagine seeing a child being abused like that and not wanting to call the cops and yet this guy kept his mouth shut for almost a decade.

Makes you wonder if getting a coaching job as such a prestigious NCAA college team was part of keeping Mike McQueary mouth shut about what he saw.

Just saying.

[OneGrassRoot]

1. Oh wow, your post is the first I'm seeing identifying the "grad student"...

Has this been known and I missed it, or did it just come out?

[meegbear]

3. Here's a writeup on this ...

A Guide To The Child Sexual Abuse Charges Against Jerry Sandusky, And To Penn State’s Alleged Willful Ignorance

[abelenkpe]

15. Wow. poor kids! nt

[OneGrassRoot]

18. Holy shit. That former grad student, McQuery, needs to be gone, too. n/t

[LynneSin]

6. This was always know that it was a grad student working for PSU football that saw the incident

And he reported it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_sex_abuse_scandal#Investigation_and_charges

According to the indictment, in 2002 a Penn State graduate assistant - now-assistant coach Mike McQueary - walked in on a ten-year-old boy being subjected to anal intercourse by Sandusky. The next day, he reported the incident to Paterno, who informed Curley. Ultimately, the only action Curley and Schultz took was to order Sandusky not to bring any children from Second Mile to the football building—an action that was approved by school president Graham Spanier. The indictment accused Curley and Schultz of not only failing to tell the police, but falsely telling the grand jury that the graduate assistant never informed them of sexual activity.

[kestrel91316]

12. Oh dear. NOW I get what all the kerfuffle is about.

"....... Mike McQueary - walked in on a ten-year-old boy being subjected to anal intercourse by Sandusky. The next day, he reported the incident to Paterno......."

McQueary should have taken Sandusky ON THE SPOT AND BEATEN HIM WITHIN AN INCH OF HIS LIFE an then called the COPS, not Paterno. THAT DAY.

I do hope McQueary does serious jail time, along with Sandusky.

[LynneSin]

14. I doubt I would have beaten Sandusky but I would have grabbed that child and gotten him out of there

and then call the cops.

[OneGrassRoot]

21. Yep. I'm absolutely stunned, but it sure peels back another layer...

of the friggin onion.

:mad:

[kestrel91316]

30. Oh, if it had been me, he would have been crippled for life. And I am a small woman.

[Sgent]

23. Unfortunately

McQueary did nothing illegal according to PA law.

[alcibiades_mystery]

24. This is the part of the story that pings my common sense meter

so hard that it strikes me as implausible.

According to the Grand Jury Presentment, McQueary walks in the showers, sees Sandusky raping a ten year old, they both see him, and then he leaves. That space between him seeing this and leaving doesn't make sense. It simply doesn't.

I'm a man of average size at 6 feet 180 lbs, and the same age as McQueary. He has a good three or four inches on me, and maybe 50 poinds. He's a former D1 college athlete whose whole life is athletics, so you have to believe he works out. So, what prevents him from acting? What prevents him from grabbing the boy and removing him from the situation? Since I have stepped in where a person was being hurt in the past, I'd like to believe I would have immediately separated Sandusky from the boy and removed the boy to safety, and I'd be in a more vulnerable situation than McQueary, who is certainly bigger than me and presumably stronger. But he does nothing. He leaves and calls his father. I really don't follow that space between seeing and leaving. I can't fathom it.

[MineralMan]

28. I'm with you 100%. I'd add to it that I'd see the rapist unconscious

on the floor at my hands, too, ready for the police to pick up.

I suppose it's something akin to "team spirit" that kept him from acting. That, in my opinion, is a damned shame on the culture of athletics at all levels.

[OneGrassRoot]

16. I never saw his name mentioned until now. Thanks much. n/t

[KamaAina]

51. If one is "subjected" to it, it's not "anal intercourse", it's RAPE!!

:grr: :banghead:

[HopeHoops]

2. "Do you like movies about gladiators?"

[msanthrope]

9. Too soon. nt

[Autumn]

4. I don't find it odd. IMO he was an accessory

To see that and not report it is just criminal.

[LynneSin]

10. Some friends and I were talking about this over lunch

And we all agreed the guy was right to go to Joe Paterno first. This was going to be a huge scandal and it was best that the powers-to-be know about it first before it hit the streets. But then not Football Coach Paterno, not Athletic Director Curley nor School President Spanier ever went to the police about this scandal.

They just removed Sandusky's football camp from the main campus and went about their business. Sandusky still continued to hold football camps geared towards underage kids at sites outside of State College.

[roguevalley]

44. if scandal is the first thot and not the kid and the

cops then something is wromg in that thinking because you already made the victim last. Fuck football. Call the cops

[abelenkpe]

5. Did he just have a kid himself?

Sometimes that makes people re-evaluate events in the past.

[Ganja Ninja]

7. He's the one that told JoePa what was going on.

"In the grand jury’s findings, one of Paterno’s graduate assistants, unnamed but later identified as current wide receivers coach Mike McQueary, witnessed in 2002 “a naked boy… whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall , being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky.” After discussing with his father what he had witnessed, McQueary “went to Paterno’s home, where he reported what he had seen.” Paterno testified in front of the grand jury in January that he “called… Curley to his home the next day, a Sunday, and reported to that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

The only action taken by Curley and others upon hearing the allegations? Banning Sandusky from bringing children onto the campus, an “unenforceable action” signed off on by President Spanier. That’s it."

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/08/time-for-joepa-to-shuffle-into-retirement/

[JanMichael]

8. we found it more than "odd."

I would have dialed 911 after seeing something like that. Not gone to my father, then doololly...then shutting up.

I do not know why he is still there; sure don't know why he isn't being questioned about his actions more closely.

[LynneSin]

11. I would have gone to Paterno first then helped him to dial the police

but that's just me.

[JanMichael]

13. I don't know...

I think it would have been so shocking that I doubt I would have considered the reputation of the college first-

[exboyfil]

17. Why would you go to anyone else when a child is in danger

If it was an adult student, you may have some question as to what was actually going on, but a 10 year old kid? At a minimum 911 should have been called immediately. I frankly think immediate intervention would also be in order.

The next call could have been to Paterno as a heads up, but the first is to the authorities. Forget scandal - a child is in danger.

[LynneSin]

20. Very true

No matter what - the child would have been pulled out of there and the police would have been there within the hour.

But then again State College police think JoePa is a diety, who knows how well they would have responded.

[Poll_Blind]

27. +1

Thank you.

PB

[redqueen]

46. +1

[LuvNewcastle]

19. I'm finding it hard to believe that there wasn't

any sort of quid pro quo there. I don't really care how much some of them are cooperating with the investigation now; they kept their mouths shut for years. I could forgive the guy for not reporting a murder to the police -- there are plenty of good reasons to kill someone. There is no reason to rape a child.

[LynneSin]

22. The actual concept of actually witnessing someone doing that to a child...

no way I could live with my conscious if I didn't do what it takes have Sandusky arrested. Because honestly, I doubt I could erase that horrible vision from my mind if I had kept my mouth silent.

[Proud Public Servant]

25. Grad students are indentured servants

I don't want to make excuses for this guy, but I've been a grad assistant. It's not like having a job; it's more like being a grunt in the marines. The school is your whole life, and you are entirely beholden to it for your future. I'm not surprised he took this to Paterno first rather than blowing up the whole thing and seeing whether he'd be collateral damage -- quite possibly the only collateral damage. Self-interest is a powerful force.

[MineralMan]

38. Yah, well, why didn't he end the incident, instead of leaving?

Graduate student or not, he should have stepped in and put an end to the abuse that he witnessed. How could anyone not begin with that? I blame athletic culture, frankly, for that lapse. If you witness the abuse of a child, you have an immediate responsibility to see that abuse stopped at once. There is no option, in my opinion, but to wade in and end the abuse, even if it meant personal risk of injury. It was a young boy! For pete's sake!

[Proud Public Servant]

43. That I agree with

Same with the janitor who walked in on a similar scene with another victim.

[MineralMan]

26. Here's what I find odd:

I find it odd that an adult who witnessed something like this didn't run in and beat the crap out of the child's rapist, then call the cops at once. The police wouldn't have any problem taking him into custody, because he'd be unconscious on the floor of the shower. I'm not a violent person by nature, but I could not do anything else in that circumstance. Even if I were physically unable to disable the rapist, I'd take a beating to end the situation.

That's what I find odd.

[LynneSin]

29. How could you not do that.

To actually witness it and then know that nothing was done to stop this man...

That vision would haunt me forever

[MineralMan]

32. I simply would not be able to stop myself from jumping

into such a situation. It would require no thought at all. I'd be on the rapist instantly. I'm surprised that concept hasn't been introduced, to be frank. I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who would sexually abuse a child in that way, or in any other way.

[aikoaiko]

33. me too.

Its time to prosecute everyone who broke the law.

I have to imagine not reporting criminal activity (sex crimes against a child) to the police would violate a Penn State honor code.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. The sports figures in question continued to work with and

associate with the man they saw raping a kid, and their fans are hoping it will all pass in time for the game and reputation. Sports culture and what the fans will excuse is not something I pretend to understand.

[LynneSin]

37. And Penn State Football program is almost a religion in Pennsylvania

To them it would be like finding out Jesus molested children.

[avaistheone1]

40. Sports culture is pretty sick from I can see in most sports these days.

Perhaps it always was...

Seems to be quite sick in other countries too. imo

[LynneSin]

48. What's funny - I thought Penn State was above all that bullshit you see in NCAA football programs

I grew up right on the edge of Happy Valley. Every weekend home game it was almost impossible to make a turn on the highway that went thru State College, PA. I knew people who had shrines to Joe Paterno in their homes.

And the thing is this, I would read about College Programs that did things such as put their players on steroids, or did illegal recruiting or pressured the professors to pass their players even if they weren't learning and all I thought was this - "Thank Goodness Penn State is not like that". Here I thought because Penn State had such a cleancut program and Paterno was pretty up-n-up guy that the PSU Football program was better than so many others out there.

Now I'm almost wishing the scandal was steriods or illegal recruiting or not teaching the players - because all of those combined could never ever be as horrible as child molestation.

[justiceischeap]

36. I can think of two reasons why he didn't step in

First, he himself was a victim of sexual abuse and he was in shock
Second, he's an abuser himself

Those are the only two really valid reasons for not doing anything. If I found out that the University wasn't doing anything, I would have called the police on my own.

[MineralMan]

41. Those are possible reasons, for sure.

The other reason is some sort of distorted loyalty to the "team." That, alone, has enabled many abusive situations. We read about them all too frequently.

[redqueen]

49. +1

[fishwax]

31. I can't imagine staying w/ an organization that did nothing after reporting a child rape

It boggles my mind. How can he see Sandusky around campus, or bringing another kid to a Penn State practice (as he apparently did in 2007), or simply know that the higher-ups sat on it and nothing happened to the guy--and still want to be part of that organization? And obviously he should have gone to the police.

[LynneSin]

35. The police and the DA of PA need to question that

Why did McQueary keep his mouth shut for a decade and did his silence have anything to do with the job he now has with the football program.

[fishwax]

50. agreed n/t

[ecstatic]

39. Yes. I wondered how could anyone keep such a secret

I'm extremely disgusted at the lack of follow through from the people who knew.

[Johonny]

42. Not really, he reported it

People often assume having reported it, the people above them have investigated it and reported to higher authority. The general assumption is the guy you're working with is OK and if everyone else treats him as ok then you assume the matter was different than you thought. There is a clear disconnect from those reporting what happen and those higher up at Penn State that did not report this to the police. We probably won't really know the chain of events until the criminal trials begin. Until then it might be better not to wish ill thoughts on those that did at least report what they saw. Failure to report is one thing, but assumption authority will/has "taken care of it" is common.

[LynneSin]

45. If it was any other crime I would almost buy into that theory

If Sandusky was bullying another adult or selling drugs to an adult then I would buy into it.

But I guess to many of us our vision is that when a child is being harmed in any way we want to rush in there immediately and protect the child. That is the big disconnect there.

[Gin]

47. IMO by staying on as coach...even though he told paterno..

he has compromised his own integrity...and..... his career that he coveted is ruined....

none of these people called police because they had skin in the game...meaning their jobs and prestige would have been affected....

all are guilty by association and are complicit by not doing more..

the whole coaching staff and administration needs to go.

[LynneSin]

52. He was only a grad-student/coaching assistant when he saw what happened

He accepted the coaching position AFTER all of this happened and from the people who refused to get the police involved.

To me I suspect he is just as guilty as the others who knew. He put his career ahead of the welfare of a child.

[Gin]

53. ESPN had a panel a few minutes ago that called it a conspiracy to

protect "PENN STATE"

how true....how sad..