Latte drinking liberal. Limo riding liberal, cady driving food stamp queen

[nadinbrzezinski]

What do all these have in common? The same as death tax. They are all creations of the RW. In some cases...frank Luntz if names have to be named. It's time, high time, to stop repeating them.

[truebrit71]

1. I actually did see a Caddy-driving Welfare Queen once...

..I am not making that up...I couldn't believe my eyes...

[Matariki]

4. She was a Queen??

How could you tell? Was it an actual ruling position or more of a nation's figure head?

And I'm assuming you mean an actual woman of some sort of royal house/lineage and not a man in women's clothes?

[Matariki]

5. ps

Oh wait, your moniker indicates that you are British. Were you actually referring to the Queen of England and making a snide comment on the nature of her relationship to your country?

[backscatter712]

6. Corporate Welfare Queen?

Was she related to Leona Helmsley?

[truebrit71]

9. She was a "welfare queen" in the Raygun definition of the term...

...wearing what I assume were fake furs, buying her groceries with food stamps and getting into her new Cadillac which she had left running in the parking lot...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

17. Yeah, and I once saw a Brit with straight teeth.

[truebrit71]

18. So you're calling me a liar. or are you just being...

...a smart arse?

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. As I said bellow

The modern day version drives a benz. There are a few people really down who still have a few trappings of their former life.

But for the most part it's meant to attack the system, not attack what this is, a true symptom of an economy at crisis. I have no doubt you did. You just need the context

[truebrit71]

32. That was what was so striking about when I saw her...

...and it was a late-model caddy...not an older one...My wife and eye were literally open-mouthed because we thought it was a bullshit generalisation too...

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. As a medic I saw all kinds of things.

A Benz tried to hit my hubby the other way, late model. Then hit a taxi.

It happens every time. Some people fall very fast.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

24. Does this have to be an either/or ?

[truebrit71]

27. Aah, so the answer is 'smart arse'...

...fair enough... ;-)

[AverageJoe90]

42. I once saw a tall, blond, blue-eyed Prussian German.

Beat that. ;-)

[Scuba]

38. James O'Keefe in drag. n/t

[SomethingFishy]

39. They exist. There are people out there gaming the system

But they are so few and far between that they count for almost nothing.

"Welfare Queen" is like "Honest Politician" you may find one but you really have to look hard.

[aquart]

19. You saw the welfare check?

Because I know those things don't run to gas money.

[truebrit71]

26. No, I saw the food stamps...

....and the fur coat, and the fucking cadillac she was driving...

[RebelOne]

30. So did I. I was in a grocery store in Miami and a black lady

bought a ton of groceries and paid for them with food stamps. When I went out to the parking lot, the lady was loading all those groceries into the trunk of a brand-new Cadillac. I was astounded.

[fascisthunter]

34. must've been "black"

:eyes:

[fascisthunter]

31. sure you did... actually, it was me in drag

[Jack Rabbit]

2. According to Republicans, there are no poor people in America

Just welfare queens who take advantage of the system.

They're projecting again. It's not welfare queens. It's bankers and industrialists. It's the people with Wall Street addresses that receive farm subsidy checks.

[Romulox]

3. A large number of our leading Dems are multi millionaires. It's just a fact.

Nancy Pelosi is among the richest members of Congress,<107> with an estimated net worth of approximately $58 million, the 12th highest estimated net worth in Congress, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics<108>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi

(Al Gore's Nashville Mansion)

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. That is not what Luntz is talking 'bout though

And gore does not qualify. He s not a member of the east coast elite.

[Romulox]

43. That's silly--defining new subsets of the elite in order to protect our favorite oligarchs.

:silly:

[Frustratedlady]

7. I thought Reagan started those stories about cadillac welfare queens...

driving up to the food stamp center to pick up their welfare checks/food stamps (many years ago)...oh, and wearing their fur coats.

[Shandris]

12. While there are an incredibly small number of these people you mention...

...it is childish to pretend they simply DO NOT EXIST.

Stereotypes aren't made by conjuring descriptions out of thin air, they're made by appealing to something that a person believes -most- people have seen -ONCE-, and then blowing it way the fuck out of proportion. That's the 'nugget of truth' that all stereotypes are based on, and it's why stereotypes are a powerful tool of classification.

If I told you that the stereotype of a Jewish person was someone who was typically poor and liked to eat pork and beans, you'd call me an idiot because that is not something that -most- people can relate to. It wouldn't suddenly become a meme repeated by everyone.

But are the 'welfare queens' common? Hell no. But it only makes us look silly to claim they don't exist.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. The grain of truth is the formerly well to do

Who is now hard in luck. We see a few here with beemers and benz. They are just as poor. Really people need to stop doing this. And yes, they coud sell the car...short term it be good, but they still need it to apply for jobs and shit like that.

[locahungaria]

23. Yeah, selling the car might help in the short term.....

but really it would only be a quick fix and not gonna boost anyone out of dire straits for any length of time. It would probably end up being more of a hassle to do without a car (depending on where you live)than to take the few bucks you'd probably end up getting.

[Shandris]

25. Exactly. I wouldn't dare say they weren't poor, or make fun of their situation.

I've been in varying states of poor my entire adult life. It's just one of those 'things', when I hear people say that such-and-such DOESN'T EXIST, it's a good way to get our message tuned out by those who -may- be otherwise willing to listen to it. I'm probably over-picky about it, but in order to understand WHY the opposition believes something, we must FIRST be honest with ourselves. In this case, it's a matter of a perception (and a false one, at that), playing to prejudicial fears. THAT is what we have to oppose -- not that the Republicans are 'just lying about welfare queens' because it only takes one person to have -ever- seen -anyone- that they fed into that stereotype for them to completely tune us out.

And really, anyone who is currently poor and has a Caddy SUV is -hurting- worse than many because of the damn gas mileage of those things. My Focus gets 30-some-odd highway, those things get what...10? 12?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. It is the stereotype those people push

And the framing. Why we must stop playing the game.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. And Luntz has perfected them

[Initech]

8. The only way the republicans win elections is demonizing and name calling.

Take those out of the equation and they'd never win.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. But us repeating that only helps.

Framing matters

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. So are "Reds", "Commies", "Dirty Hippies", "Outside Agitators", "Pinkos", "Peaceniks", etc.

And, I've called all of them and not just by Republicans.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Yup

[FLAprogressive]

20. Unfortunately limo liberals are real. Look at $chumer, Fein$tein, etc. who regularly sell us out for

big money interests.

Yet they're portrayed in the media as "liberals".

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. I would not accuse either of being a liberal

Which goes to the next, stop playing into media narratives.

[FLAprogressive]

36. No, but they are seen as such by the uninformed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Then your job as a citizen is to engage the uninformed

Alas this is not working as well any longer.

[fascisthunter]

29. THEY are NOT liberals

...not even close.

[FLAprogressive]

35. The media portrays them as such.

[zbdent]

33. they all make up the death panels?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

37. Right wing mythology.

Welfare queen
Latte liberal

I have a few about Repukes tho:

Family value philanderers
Anti-gay GOP bisexuals
Small government lobbyists