Judge Roll died saving Gifford's staffer-shooter was wearing earplugs

[RamboLiberal]

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The video, according to Richard Kastigar, the investigative and operational bureau chief of the Pima County Sheriff’s Department, also reveals that Judge John M. Roll appears to have died while helping to save the life of Ronald Barber, a Giffords employees. Mr. Barber, who was near Ms. Giffords when he was shot twice, has left the hospital.

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Describing the video, Mr. Kastigar said the judge was “intentionally trying to help Mr. Barber,” adding, “It’s very clear to me the judge was thinking of his fellow human more than himself.”

The judge guides Mr. Barber to the ground, shields him with his body, and then tries to push himself and Mr. Barber away from the gunman, who was no more than three to four feet away as he fired, Mr. Kastigar said.

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When a deputy sheriff arrived minutes after the shooting and took control of Mr. Loughner, who was being held down by two people, the deputy removed a set of earplugs from Mr. Loughner. Minutes earlier, a surveillance photo also shows Mr. Loughner inside the Safeway talking to a clerk and “pointing to his ears because he’s telling the individual that he can’t hear what she’s saying because he’s got earplugs in,” Mr. Kastigar said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/us/19giffords.html?hp

That f'er Loughner planned if he had the sense to wear earplugs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Judge RIP, you are yet another hero

As to this kid... the defense will have a hell of a time proving insanity.

He may be medically loon as a toon, but that is not gonna help, until they reach sentencing. They may give him life. That's about it.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

3. No insanity defense "I planned it" proves premeditation.

It's that simple.

I did not get my law degree from a box of cereal. :D

[tavalon]

7. But why are premeditation and insanity mutually exclusive?

I think both are clearly in evidence.

[LisaL]

9. No. Insanity is not "clearly in evidence."

It doesn't matter if he is mentally ill, it doesn't necessarily make him legally insane.

[tavalon]

11. Ah, I see the distinction

I didn't realize they were separate but I'm not a lawyer so I stand corrected.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I know the distinction

[grasswire]

2. why did he go into Safeway for change to pay the driver?

If you knew you were going to be dead or arrested in a few minutes, why not just give the driver what money you have in your pocket? Twenty? Hundred dollar bill?

What would it matter at all?

[Control-Z]

18. It might have

aroused suspicion had he overpaid? I don't know how much time elapsed between leaving the Safeway store and the shooting. I don't really even know why he went into the store. I take it from your post it was to get change?

[Major Hogwash]

4. What video are they talking about?

The one from the store's security camera in the parking lot or what?

[Hardrada]

5. Good question! I have heard nothing about any video.

[LisaL]

8. There is a security video of the shooting.

[tavalon]

6. We've had many confirmations that he planned it

It doesn't make him sane, but it was premeditated. More like perseverated.

[Raine]

10. So many people showed such courage that day

unselfishly helping other people and putting their own lives in danger and more than one losing their own life. Then you have those like the shooter and those who incite the unbalanced and continue to do so.

[tavalon]

12. Yeah, humans regularly exhibit the best and worst of our species

I really prefer the ones who exhibit the best. That said, I think we all exhibit each at different times. We are complex, well, mostly. Palin doesn't seem all that complex.

[pipoman]

13. "When a deputy sheriff arrived minutes after the shooting"

Didn't I hear it was 15 minutes after the shooting? What the hell took so long, if so? That is a question I have had. (And 30 minuted for EMS to get on scene IIRC). Have there already been threads about these unacceptable times?

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Police arrived fairly fast

No EMS (unless it is a swat medic) will enter a hot scene until it is absolutely secured in this country. 9.11 got the first call at the 11 minute mark. Cops arriving at 15-20 mark makes sense, EMS entering at 30 is acceptable in this case.

Giffords was in the OR at 63 minutes post injury... Just 3 minutes after the golden hour. Given the nature of the call this is more than just acceptable. Oh and yes I've entered scenes that are all but safe...at 20 you don't think about it. I am lucky nobody took a close up shot. I mean I did crawl into a few shoot outs...what I call a stupid manouver.

[leftynyc]

14. He's a hero

May he rest in peace.

[myrna minx]

15. He's a true hero. Rest in peace, Judge Roll.

:cry:

[progressiveinaction]

19. Meh.

"He was a staunch Republican," said Paul Charlton, former U.S. Attorney for Arizona, "very conservative, though he didn't let it show."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109john-roll-gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting.html#ixzz1BY8gfumo

So he likely supported former prez chimpy and he's now a hero? A man that likely supported the war in Iraq which has killed countless numbers of civilians, is a hero?

And what irony, that him being a "staunch republican" and therefore would have had no problem with Rush, Beckkk, Palin, ect.. The rhetoric of these fools caused his own death. Irony.