Case Closed: Woman who claimed she was raped at Occupy Cleveland camp refuses to prosecute

[johnnie]

CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) -

New developments in claims of a sexual assault at an Occupy Cleveland camp.

19 Action News has learned the woman who claimed she was raped downtown has signed forms refusing to prosecute.

The 19-year-old said she was sexually assaulted by a stranger on Saturday, October 15th. The teen told police she was asked by rally personnel to share a tent with the suspect due to the shortage of tents.

The case is now closed.

http://www.woio.com/story/15999204/case-closed-woman-who-claimed-she-was-raped-at-occupy-cleveland-camp-refuses-to-prosecute

[seabeyond]

1. most girls/women dont. and with good reason. nt

[SoCalDem]

12. Sad , but true..

Most just go on with their lives, and say nothing:(

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. That is really too bad.

I am really sorry to hear it.

[JoePhilly]

3. Some predators will see OWS as an opportunity.

Its sad that women need to be cautious at OWS, but they do.

[TheWraith]

4. Unfortunately some people will use this as an excuse to say it was a hoax.

:eyes:

[Vincardog]

6. I did that \/ Why do you say unfortunately? Do you think that it is unfortunate that it probably was

as hoax or do you feel that a rape victim would make the claim and decline out of modesty to prosecute?

[TheWraith]

8. Unfortunate because it's incredibly naive and self-aggrandizing to think it HAD to be a hoax.

And that there couldn't be any other possible reason other than being a paid liar for not wanting to press charges, like say a lack of evidence, the time and effort of going to court, and the questionable likelihood of a conviction.

[Vincardog]

10. Fact someone made an allegation. They declined to prosecute. Inference they had no case.

You can chose to draw any inference you care to. We will never know the facts beyond the two I already stated.
How is my inference "self-aggrandizing"? How does either opinion make ME any more powerful?

[TheWraith]

11. Except that that's a bullshit inference to draw, since it doesn't follow logically.

There are plenty of reasons not to press charges besides "it didn't happen." And even if there wasn't a case, it doesn't logically instantly jump to "Big evil conspiracy paid a girl to lie about getting raped in order to tarnish OWS." That comes off as simple groupthink, both in the assumption that someone would bother, and the assumption that EVERYONE at OWS is automatically so squeaky clean that what she said couldn't possibly be true.

[sabrina 1]

13. Any inference is bullshit, since no one knows a thing about it.

Giles, of O'Keefe/Pimp infamy, eg, had no problem lying about ACORN workers being in the business of child prostitution. Women sometimes do lie. She ended up being sued. The alleged perpetrator in this case, if he has been named and is innocent, may do the same thing, if he wants to. If not, there is no case.

[Vincardog]

14. My inference is simpler than yours/we will never know

[TheWraith]

15. It's also simpler to say the answer to anything is "a wizard did it."

The catch is, "simple" isn't the same thing as "correct," particularly when you have to ignore facts to make it simple.

[Vincardog]

16. Facts? Please tell me where Occam's razor isn't valid. Occam's razor, also known as Ockham's razor,

Occam's razor, also known as Ockham's razor, and sometimes expressed in Latin as lex parsimoniae (the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness), is a principle that generally recommends selecting from among competing hypotheses the one that makes the fewest new assumptions.

Please name 1 fact other than the two I have stated,
That I am ignoring?

[Vincardog]

5. This allegation smelled from the git go. I bet her bank account got healthier after she made her

Allegation. No disrespect to real rape victims but is seemed TOOOOOOOO convenient the perfect story to discredit those Liberal OWS folks

[TheWraith]

7. Because what, nothing bad EVER happens at a left wing gathering?

Nobody else present could possibly do something wrong or illegal.

No one of questionable ethics would be there.

Nothing similar ever happens when lots of strangers are pushed together into a small space.

Clearly, the ONLY possible explanation is that she lied and it's all a hoax to discredit Occupy Wall Street. Just like there aren't any real anarchists or destructive people on the left, they're all secret police officers. Because that's really more likely than the thought that someone at a protest could have committed a crime. And it's perfectly normal to be incapable of admitting that sometimes shit happens without believing that's the same thing as condemning everyone in every protest. :sarcasm: :eyes:

[seabeyond]

18. this is the thing. i heard about the rape and thought was... in that crowd should be expected

not everyone is good. not everyone is going to behave well. not indicative of the whole

i dont know why that is challenging for some

i agree with your posts, though... lol, on THIS thread.

[Nye Bevan]

9. No woman would risk prosecution for making false accusations,

and a likely prison sentence, in order to "discredit OWS". And she's not even discrediting OWS, she is discrediting the scumbag who raped her.

[seabeyond]

17. "No disrespect to real rape victims but " yes. disrespect

you can say no disrespect, but it is clear what your position is. and yes, it is disrespectful to rape victims.

[Vincardog]

19. My inclination on hearing an unsubstantiated charge was "How convenient for the OWS oppressors"

When the charges were not pursued I believed my inclination was correct.
Evidently Your inclination on hearing the unsubstantiated charges was that those dirty hippies sullied another poor women't honor.
When the charges were not pursued you evidently believed that doing so would be too damaging to the innocent woman.
I do not believe that my opinion is any more damaging to women than your is.
As a matter of fact (in my opinion) your position denigrates women as being too frail to stand up for themselves and by implication all women.

[WCGreen]

20. WTAM, a clear Channel station, took the story off it's web site....

shortly after the allegation was made...

I have to think there was something there that wasn't Kosher.

Because WTAM would have been pounding on this 24/7...

[Vincardog]

21. I agree with you. The two who have been hounding me for not being PC seem to disagree

[seabeyond]

23. hearing the unsubstantiated charges was that those dirty hippies sullied another poor women't honor

really?

you have a whole post denigrating women with snarky. how seriously are you going ot be taken.

my first post? pretty simple. because she didnt press charges means little. many girls/women/some men/boys do NOT press charges with good reason. a statement. a statement of FACT.

so, the intent was to way lay people like you to say FALSE charges, see... and then all your pathetic snarky as you state you are not being disrespectful to rape victims. as you absolutely are being disrespectful and more to rape victims.

[etherealtruth]

22. There's only disrespect conveyed in your post

I was raped when I was 19 ... I didn't pursue it legally ... I could not go through the ordeal that legal proceedings could/would bring.

Clearly, I must have lied. I actually enjoyed being pinned down on a table and punched in the face. I initially was going to proceed ... until a cop said: "hey, some women like it rough," within my earshot.

The year was 1981 ... funny how some things do not change.

[seabeyond]

24. yup. we have seen it clearly with the whole sexual harassment/assault issue.

not a lot of change.

[renate]

25. how awful

:hug: :cry:

I'm so sorry. What horrendous experiences, to be raped and then to hear something as vile as that. Like a second knife in the gut.

[etherealtruth]

26. Unfortunately, many women got that response from law enforcelment ...

... at the time.

I pray that there has been a change in the response from the legal system.