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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 05:03 PM
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Oakland merchants say sales slump by half amid Occupy protests
Oakland business leaders called on the city Tuesday to move forcefully against Occupy Oakland -- and disband the encampment -- citing huge drops in sales for some retailers and fears about the city's reputation.

Mayor Jean Quan conceded that the movement has imperiled jobs. She called on Occupy Oakland to begin a dialogue to resolve the demonstrations peacefully.

Occupy representatives insisted they had no intention of harming merchants in downtown Oakland, saying the small retailers are members of the 99 percent.

But business officials pushed for immediate action. "The encampment needs to go away," said Deborah Boyer, president of the Lake Merritt/Uptown Community Benefit District. "It's become dangerous."

Numerous downtown retailers said the Occupy protests have slashed sales in half, and business leaders warned that Occupy and the city's response has spooked some tenant prospects.

http://www.mercurynews.com/real-estate/ci_19292499?source=autofeed#
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 05:05 PM
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1. Open you books and prove those allegations. Having a few thousand extra customers should not hurt a
business.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 05:06 PM
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2. Yep. I would demad proof.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 05:27 PM
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7. +1
This reeks of more of the usual BS.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 05:15 PM
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3. Pardon me?
The merchants are making a stink about the protests? I thought there were quite a few who shuttered up and stood in solidarity? :shrug:

besides, the first thing i thought of is that we are in economic warfare...and i guess some people are going to have their lives altered drastically...it's collateral damage, baby
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 05:18 PM
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5. There were quite a few who joined the strike. This is
more BS. Personally I would not go to Oakland because of their brutal, criminal Police Department. Maybe that is why their sales are slumping. That Department has caused Oakland to be viewed by outsiders as a lawless place where the Police attack innocent citizens for no reason whatsoever.

Keep them off the street, and maybe their business will improve.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 07:07 PM
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22. But if they didn't join the strike
and make $250K or more then they are part of the 1%
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 05:17 PM
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4. The Oakland Police don't seem to be particularly effective
at making it "safe". Beating the devil out of people and shooting people isn't a solution for promoting sales, you know.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 05:25 PM
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6. Oh please. I'm just waiting for them to use the loitering laws.
The U.S. is famous for loitering laws to prohibit peaceful assembly.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 07:44 PM
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8.  citing fears about the city's reputation..
:rofl:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 07:49 PM
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10. That might carry a little more weight
were it not for the Chargers avatar to its left. :P
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 09:19 PM
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13. to be fair, the city is a lot safer than qualcomm will be tomorrow night!
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 12:01 AM
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18. +1000
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 07:51 PM
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11. +1000
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 07:48 PM
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9. The Bay Area has been subjected to a barrage of these stories for weeks
one recently featured the travails of an upmarket restaurant in Old Oakland, at least six blocks from Oscar Grant Plaza. :eyes:

It'd be nice if the two sides could come together, with the Occupiers agreeing to spend more money in their new neighborhood, and the business owners coming up with creative ways to serve their new neighbors. That is, after all, supposed to be what capitalism is all about, is it not?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 11:39 PM
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15. I just realized, because of Occupy, there are more people in that part of downtown Oakland at night
than there have EVER been. Usually, that area empties out into the nearby BART station and onto the freeways with a giant sucking sound at 5 each weeknight, to be replaced mostly by street people.

Now, however, there's an opportunity for these businesses to extend their hours, maybe sell hot drinks (cold rain is forecast for Friday), maybe add a catering menu to serve, say, a tray of noodles to a group of hungry Occupiers.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 08:00 PM
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12. Whether it's small local Oakland businesses or not...
they are the 1%, they are what we are fighting. Either close shop and stand with us or face the consequences.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 11:32 PM
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14. Many of the proprietors are immigrants
many can't afford decent health care, much less a living wage, for their employees. So no, they're not the 1%.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 12:02 AM
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19. Who are the businesses who are 'complaining'?? Do we have
names? Many businesses joined the OccupyWallStreet Strike, so clearly this is not ALL businesses. You are assuming something without facts. It is likely that the small businesses owned by immigrants are benefiting from the Occupation as is the case everywhere else. I doubt BIG businesses like Banks eg, are happy, but they are part of the problem so no one expected them to be happy about being held accountable finally since the Government has protected them and paid their gambling debts with the people's money.

I will call the Mayor's office tomorrow and ask for names of the businesses who are complaining.

This needs to be clarified. Those businesses who joined the Protesters WANT them there, so they should have a say in this. And since this movement is more popular now than both Political parties put together, I think the majority opinion should count for something in this country for once.

Not to mention the brutality of the OPD which is more likely to threaten business than any protesters as the city now has such a bad reputation because of their criminal behavior towards innocent civilians, many outsiders do not want to go there.

Reign in the criminal PD and business might improve there. It wasn't great before the protesters got there. Just another excuse to try to stop the people from exercising their rights. The mayor should have learned from Bloomberg who tried the same thing, until the polls showed that 80% of NYers felt the protesters had a right to be there.

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 12:20 PM
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20. You are probably right that it's a small minority of businesses complaining
naturally the Tribune and Chron would make a beeline for them. :eyes:
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 07:09 PM
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23. Was it really "many"
I've heard about some that did. Doesn't seem like its a lot of them... some, like Men's Warehouse, just paying lip service.

If the business didn't join the protest of the owner makes 250K or more then they are the 1%.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 07:06 PM
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21. It doesn't matter what they "can afford".
If they make $250K or more then they are the top 1% we are talking about.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 07:10 PM
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24. I doubt that a whole lot of downtown merchants are clearing $250K
the area is shunned by most national chains (except fast food, surprise, surprise). Most businesses are of the mom 'n' pop variety.
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zentrum Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 11:44 PM
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16. It's not because of the occupiers...
But because of the police.

Downtown was hardly thriving to begin with. It's more populated now.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 11:50 PM
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17. What crap
Merchants should be with the 99% movement as a means of keeping the freaking multinational corps from devouring them.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 07:11 PM
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25. Do we want our movement influenced by
Merchants making over 250K which makes them part of the 1%? I'd think they'd be likely to look at their own interests as well.
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