Joe Paterno will have to live with choice..The comments on this OP are unforgiving and brutal. What

[mfcorey1]

say you?



As an enduring symbol of virtue, as a man charged with no crime, Joe Paterno likely believes that the loss of his job, his team, and his program at Penn State amounts to a severe price to pay for the alleged sexual abuses perpetrated by a longtime aide.

Paterno was fired by the university board of trustees Wednesday night, this after he announced he would retire at season's end. The board absolutely did the right thing, the only thing, as trotting Paterno out there against Nebraska for a victory lap would have represented one more unforgivable choice made at the victims' expense.

But after he comes to terms with the fact another 400 victories wouldn't have restored his tattered legacy, Paterno will realize that his endgame as head coach of the Nittany Lions will be a speeding ticket compared to the self-imposed sentence he'll serve until his final breath.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_/id/7210029/legendary-coach-joe-paterno-live-lack-action-penn-state-scandal

[appleannie1]

1. Joe Paterno was a victim, just as those boys were. He has done so much good

and has affected so many young lives for the good in a long career, not just for the students he coached but also others. The actions of Sandusky, have negated all of that even though those actions were never known until 3 years after he retired.

[Lunabelle]

3. Joe Paterno was a victim, just as those boys were?

Are you sure about that? This man let his friend rape children for years and HE is the victim? I'm not quite sure you understand what being a victim is.

[southernyankeebelle]

23. Joe P should have gone to the police. How many children could he have

prevented from being raped. I am willing to bet Joe P made sure his own kids and grandkids weren't exposed to his buddy alone. Joe did the wrong thing. I can have respect for the coach but he did the wrong thing.

[malaise]

25. +1,000 n/t

[MineralMan]

28. Paterno was a victim of nothing.

Your statement is offensive in the extreme.

[Lunabelle]

49. Actually, you are responding to the wrong post

but that's ok.

[MineralMan]

50. Oops. Sorry. I hope people know where the reply really goes.

[Fumesucker]

4. Oh please..

If Paterno had gone to the Child Protective Services of the state and not his university buddies he wouldn't be in this position right now.

[merh]

5. He was no victim.

He could have helped boys and he didn't - oh my, what a choice - call the police to report a crime or call the athletic director?

Paterno was no victim.

[MilesColtrane]

6. Oh, he's just such a kindly, old enabler.

Fuck him.

He knew about this for YEARS.

He could have prevented a number of boys from having their lives destroyed.

[zonkers]

8. Your facts are wrong about when JP knew.

[fizzgig]

9. oh puke

how, exactly, is he a victim?

[msanthrope]

14. Um...Joe was on the Board of Second Mile, Sandusky's victim pool. What did Joe do

about informing the Board, the victim's families, and calling for an investigation?

He helped run a charity that gave Sandusky easy access to victims.

[LibertyLover]

53. While not condoning how Joe Paterno handled himself

I did read that he was only on the honorary board of 2nd Mile, along with a number of other sports figures, not the working board.

[dddem]

15. With all due respect,

Did you also defend the Catholic Church when you found out that priests who were abusing children were transferred to other parishes to continue their abuse? Personally, I have more anger toward those who would protect the pedophile. It can be argued that a person who molests children has a sickness, so if thats your stand, then the responsibility lies as much, if not more, with those who would enable the pedophile and allow the behavior to continue than with the molester. In that case, I respectfully disagree that Joe Paterno was a victim. The victims are the children who were violated, and the parents who trusted someone they thought was a responsible adult with the care of their children. Enablers aren't victims.

[PCIntern]

16. Just like when Reagan said the the Waffen SS were victims just like the

victims of the Holocaust which they implemented.

"Nice post"

[seabeyond]

18. he was an adult. there is a responsibility in that. he failed. he was not a victim. nt

[City Lights]

21. Wow. What a slap in the face to those boys.

Disgusting.

Joe Paterno was most certainly NOT a victim. He is a coward and an enabler.

:thumbsdown:

[piratefish08]

24. Paterno was fucked in the ass against his will by Sandusky?

who knew?

should we hold a candlelight vigil for poor coach Enabler?

[Rebubula]

26. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST...

...I am fucking amazed at the amount of gymnastics some people are doing on this site.

I guess Himmler was just a victim of Hitler's ambitions...


HE KNEW SOMEONE WAS RAPING KIDS AND LET IT CONTINUE! That makes him culpable...THAT IS WHAT HE NEEDS TO LIVE WITH.


Fuck you and everyone defending him.


There are at least 3 other incidents that occurred AFTER The shower rape (remember - a 10 year old was raped - not quite the same as being fired for not going to the cops when YOU FUCKING KNOW CHILD RAPES ARE OCCURRING)


Did you defend the Pope after the Catholic rape scandal hit???

[Nye Bevan]

27. If by "victim" you mean "child rape enabler", then yes, you are absolutely correct (nt)

[Marrah_G]

29. T quote another Duer "because being fired is just the same as being raped in the ass"

I would add in ~at age 84~ and ~at age 10~

[Indepatriot]

31. What about the "price" being paid by those victims Sandusky molested

after Paterno and others knew he was a pedophile. How can you even think for a minute that they are not complicit in pedophilia?

[spanone]

32. i've seen no reports that joe paterno was sodomized...did you?

[Taverner]

33. WHAT??? Paterno was no victim. He knew, he didn't say anything. Fuck him.

And fuck football

It's just a fucking game

[joeybee12]

37. JoePa knew...what BS you just posted...it's appalling...nt

[WinkyDink]

38. You are so wrong, it borders on the bizarre.

[adigal]

43. He was NOT a victim, the boy anally raped and those abused

afterwards are the victims, while he did as little as possible beyond telling the adminstration.

Really, if my subordinate came to me and told me that he saw an employee having anal sex with a 10 year old boy on the company/school grounds, my first call would be to 911. Definitely.

[closeupready]

44. Disgusting thing to say.

:puke:

[OhioChick]

46. A "victim?"

You are joking, right?

[JuniperLea]

54. Your comment is beyond offensive...

It is brutally ignorant, and disgustingly naive!

How can you live with yourself after sticking up for a criminal like that? He knew what was going on and he remained silent and many more boys were injured due to that silence!

[October]

57. What? Comparing Paterno to those boys??? Seriously???

[easttexaslefty]

59. He's no victim.

He should've gone to the police.

[KamaAina]

61. Dumbest post of the week

Sandusky's actions may not have been publicly known until 3 years after he was forced into retirement, but Paterno and the PSU brass certainly knew about them. Why else does a 55-year-old who was widely believed to be the heir apparent to an aging coach suddenly retire, and not even take a job at another school? Fear of being revealed as the monster he is, that's why. And poor, put-upon victim JoePa :sarcasm: made sure he got away with it. :nopity:

[zonkers]

2. I agree. This man has failed morally on an epic level.

[MADem]

7. He may have been "charged with no crime," but he committed one when he

failed to protect that child and others with a simple phone call to Nine One One.

Now they need to put a public face on the rest of the pigs involved in the coverup as well.

Penn State is going to be Pedophile State for a long while. Their reputation has been tarnished, and everyone associated with that institution has to "wear the shame" because of the actions of a small group of assholes who put the protection of children last and the protection of their precious, stupid little football program first.

Fuck 'em. No sympathy.

Maybe this will be the beginning of the end for the absurd hype surrounding college football.

[appleannie1]

10. Have any of you actually read the Grand Jury Statement? Joe Paterno did report it.

http://cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/20111107_sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf

[Justitia]

12. To the police? Uh, no. Did he fire the pedophile? Double no. He was on campus LAST WEEK.

As in, this past week - courtesy of Paterno.

He was only banned from campus THIS WEEKEND.

Quit defending the indefensible.

[msanthrope]

13. Joe Paterno was on the Board of Second Mile. Did he tell the rest of the Board

about what was happening?

Pick up the phone?

This was a charity for children....and he kept his mouth shut.

[Marrah_G]

30. He clearly knew nothing was done and said nothing as the man was allowed to victimize more children

[WinkyDink]

35. GMA*&%^%^*B HERE. Paterno, nor McQ pere et fils, reported to THE POLICE. IT WAS A RAPE. R.A.P.E.

WHAT DO YOU NOT GET ABOUT THAT FACT?

I read every revolting page of the GJ report, TYVM.

[Ganja Ninja]

36. See here's JoePa's problem.

He was told exactly what was happening by the grad student. A 10 year old was being buggered in a shower. When JoePa goes to his boss he starts watering it down to "fondling or doing something of sexual nature". That to me is JoePa's moment of failure. Right then and there all the parties involved should have agreed to set up a meeting with the police.

[City Lights]

41. And?

What did he do after he reported it to university authorities?

Don't you get it? A 10-year-old boy was raped! When one reports the rape of a young boy to his or her superiors and they do nothing, one doesn't just wash their hands of it and say, "Oh well, I did what I was supposed to according to university rules. Back to football." Oh. My. Fucking. Gawd. This isn't rocket science. He should have called the police. You act like he reported a student getting caught cheating on a test. A boy was RAPED by a PEDOPHILE.

Your defense of Holy Joe Pa is disgusting and pathetic. :puke:

[DebJ]

52. There are legal duties, and then there are moral duties if you

are to consider yourself a human being with a soul.

Report it isn't good enough. Stopping it was required.

[JuniperLea]

55. And he and the person he reported it to sat on their asses and let more boys be hurt!

Your posts on this thread are fucking disgusting and I'm really sick of this bullshit.

Young boys were raped! And this asshat allowed it to happen! There is no excuse for his actions, or yours for that matter!

Despicable... I'm not sure where people get off.

[KamaAina]

60. Please try to avoid the word "asses" in Penn State threads.

Thank you. :-)

[October]

58. Read it, and by his own admission - he wishes he'd done more. (Understatement!) /nt

[SoDesuKa]

11. Maundering Old Man

Paterno's a maundering old man. He'll get so much support from his cronies that he'll convince himself that he did the right thing by Jerry Sandusky. He's already hearing that from lots of people.

[oberliner]

17. Great vocab word

Maundering - had to look it up.

I like it!

[coalition_unwilling]

42. First time I'd ever seen or heard it used. I wonder if 'maunder'

derives from 'meander' (which means roughly the same thing)?

Either of you know anything about the eytmology of 'maunder'?

[oberliner]

45. Check out this book

Here is some info on that question from a text available for free on Google Books:

http://books.google.com.pk/books?id=PmkEAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Check out page 210.

[coalition_unwilling]

47. Wow, that's an awesome link you provided. Turns out 'maunder'

may be closely related to the Norman root from which one derives 'mendicant' (a wondering beggar) than from 'meander'.

No matter whence it's derived, 'maunder' seems an apt description for Paterno's days to come.

[oberliner]

48. Thanks - Google Books is fantastic

All these wonderful old books available to peruse for free!

[SoDesuKa]

51. Chomsky Maunders Too

It's not like he's talking to himself, but sometimes it's almost a stream of consciousness.

[WinkyDink]

39. Where are these "lots of people"? Not his BoT; not former athletes; not sportscasters; WHERE?

A couple hundred current students, who want to manitain their OWN sense of "Lion Pride," hardly count in this regard.

[handmade34]

19. Obviously, Paterno's supporters

have never been sexually abused or assaulted... any such act not reported immediately and continuously until action is taken is egregious and unacceptable

[JuniperLea]

56. They lack basic human empathy...

Seems they're just shy of being sociopathic, IMHO.

[JHB]

20. Don't coaches usually get fired when they make a series of bad calls...

...or one huge one?

[backscatter712]

40. Letting child rape slide certainly counts as a bad call... n/t

[Vinca]

22. It sickens me football was more important than the sexual abuse of children.

I don't care this is a nice, old man who has done great things. The one very bad thing he did - turn a blind eye to sexual abuse by not reporting this to police - trumps his whole career. If there is a legal penalty to pay, he should have to pay it along with many others.

[WinkyDink]

34. PSU '71. I say: JOE NEEDED TO RESIGN YESTERDAY. MCQEARY FOREVER DEFINES "COWARD."

Adult men left a BOY, a CHILD, in the hands of a SEXUAL PERVERT.

HOW COULD THEY KNOW, REALLY KNOW, THAT SANDUSKY WAS NOT ANOTHER JOHN WAYNE GACY??

HOW DID MCQ KNOW THE BOY WHOSE RAPING HE WITNESSED AND WALKED AWAY FROM WOULD SURVIVE THE NIGHT?

INDEED---HOW DO WE KNOW HE DID? THAT BOY, NOW MAN, IS UNKNOWN.