List of people who knew that Sandusky showered with boys

[apples and oranges]

1998

Mother of Victim 6 - She was very upset about it and reported it to University Police.

Ronald Schreffler (Detective for Unversity Police) - investigated Sandusky after Mother of Victim 6 filed report.

Ray Gricar (Centre County District Attorney) - received report from Schreffler and decided there would be no criminal charges.

Thomas Harmon (Director of campus police) - asked Schreffler to close the investigation.

Ralph Ralston (State College PD Detective) - participated in investigation with Schreffler.

Jerry Lauro (investigator with Penns. Dept. of Public Welfare) - interviewed Sandusky with Schreffler.

2000

James "Jim" Calhoun (janitor) - witnessed Sandusky molesting boy in shower - never filed a report

Unspecified number of other janitors - Calhoun told the rest of his crew what he'd seen.

Ronald Petrosky (janitor) - saw Sandusky and boy leaving locker room and then Calhoun told him what he'd seen.

Jay Witherite (Calhoun's supervisor) - told Calhoun who to report incident to "if he chose to report it"

2002

Mike McQueary (graduate assistant) - witnessed Sandusky molesting boy in shower.

Mike McQueary's father - heard account from his son.

Joe Paterno - heard account from McQueary.

Tim Curley (AD) - heard account from Paterno and McQueary - did not inform police.

Gary Schultz (PSU Admin) - heard account from McQueary - knew about 1998 investigation.

Jack Raykovitz (Second Mile Exec. Director) - told by Curley about incident (probably leaving out the molestation).

Graham Spanier (PSU President) - given some details by Curley

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=7736012


Also, what did his wife know? His children? Make no mistake, it took dozens of people to remain silent in order for Sandusky to get away with 10+ years of rape and child molestation.

[MADem]

1. This is just ghastly. Janitors knew, and did nothing? nt

[TheWraith]

5. The one who witnessed something for sure was apparently Calhoun.

He supposedly walked in on Sandusky who had a young boy pushed up against the wall of the shower, while Sandusky performed oral sex on him.

[MADem]

11. Ugh. I didn't think I could be more appalled. I was wrong. NT

[TheWraith]

12. There's room for a LOT of that here.

In Sandusky's actions and in the inactions of others. Including and especially to my mind, the higher ups like Paterno and the head of the athletic department. Their reactions say to me that they knew what Sandusky was doing, and after the 2002 incident where he was seen anally raping the 10 year old in the Penn State showers, their only "reaction" was to tell him not to bring any more of the boys from his "charity" to Penn State facilities. Can you get a more tacit admission of knowledge and ass-covering than that?

[BillyJack]

77. That's not correct. Don't blame it on the janitor when it was

Mike McQueary (graduate assistant) - who witnessed Sandusky molesting boy in shower.

It gets tiring when 'you people' always try and shift the blame to the 'little guy', like a janitor. There were and ARE BIG PEOPLE who SHOULD SHOULD have been RESPONSIBLE. They knew more, could have investigated more and THEY DID NOTHING! We, proles, are always told that that's why 'the guys in charge deserve to get the BIG BUCKS'. The truth is that the 'guys in charge are LITERALLY in one big, incestuous, glad-handing circle-jerk of illegalities and immoralities.

[onenote]

82. you obviously don't know the facts

The incident observed by the janitor was a different incident than the one observed by the grad assistant...and it occurred two years earlier than the one observed by the grad assistant.

What's tiring is someone who doesn't bother to check their facts and then accuses others of shifting blame to the little guy. Well, in this instance, the little guy deserves the blame.

What would be nice would be for you to acknowledge your error. But I'm not betting on that happening.

[zentrum]

128. Not excusing the janitor

...but in this case the "little guy" is someone who has to pit the survival of his family and his kids against the system which is covering up the crimes against these other kids. The "little guy" is already sticking his neck out to tell *any* of the higher-ups. Don't you know how these lethal hierarchies work?

The "big guys" in this horror story had nothing on the line but their egos, reputations, and sense of power. The "little guy" had no power, no plush economic cushion, no reputation, no image to save--just food and shelter for his own kids. If everyone from the cops to the University covered up--you don't think the Janitors already knows that would happen? They did know that. If they'd done what you suggest from your arm chair--they would have lost their jobs--and the crimes would have gone on anyway.

They did tell. But look what happened. NOTHING. Just as the janitors knew.

The students who are protesting the Paterno firing--b/c they are losing their football high-- are more morally reprehensible than these janitors.

[Plucketeer]

136. I love your last line.

I think it's one humongous joke - that that these centers of "higher learnin'" work SO HARD to be the minor league camps for professional sports! WTF do sports REALLY add to a college degree?????????????????????????? Of course, I don't see the worth of high school sports towards an education either. If you're determined to have your kid play those sports, there should be private leagues YOU can PAY to have them participate in. My scool-teacher wife is having to do more with less while packing her classroom to the max because of shrinking monies - but GOD FORBID they touch the sports programs!!!

As to the "little guy" watchin' to cover his ass, I can attest to the folly of bucking that rule. There have been three instances in my past where I blew the whistle on wanton disregard for rules that were there to protect human lives. In each case, the superiors I "snitched" to, thanked me cautiously. Within a day or two, the repercussions came back to bite me in the ass. You HAVE TO consider the possible fallout when you decide to point out injustices - injustices that aren't just accidental. There's a chance that besides the wrongdoer, there's a cadre of enablers that made/make the wrongdoer's misdeeds possible. And they're NOT gonna be enthusiatic about having their inefficiencies brought into the spotlight!

[onenote]

149. That's exactly what you're doing

Just because someone is a Janitor or bellhop or busboy doesn't give them a pass on the moral responsibility to step up when a defenseless child is being abused. Its not even a remotely debatable point.

[apples and oranges]

96. McQueary saw rape in 2002; janitor saw rape in 2000

"In the grand jury report, there’s one more instance in which a low-level employee didn’t act as bravely as he could have. In 2000, a temp janitor named Jim Calhoun allegedly saw Sandusky—a man he didn’t recognize—performing oral sex on a boy in the Penn State showers. According to one of Calhoun’s colleagues, the janitor, who was “upset and crying,” said that he had “fought in the war … seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered … I just witnessed something in there I’ll never forget.” Calhoun told his immediate supervisor what he’d seen, and the supervisor “told him to whom he should report the incident, if he chose to report it.” Calhoun never made an official report, and he wasn’t able to testify in front of the grand jury because he now suffers from dementia."

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2011/11/mike_mcqueary_he_says_that_he_saw_jerry_sandusky_sexually_assault_a_child_why_does_he_still_have_a_job_at_penn_state_.htmlo

Witnessing Sandusky's horrid crime literally drove the man crazy!

[fishwax]

133. You are wrong. Those were two separate incidents. n/t

[HillWilliam]

105. Not defending them in the least but

I've seen situations where a supervisor will tell someone not to report something all parties know is illegal or unethical, leaving a big "or else" dangling in the air. Sometimes the supers will come right out and say "else you'll never work again and 'someone' will make sure of it". When jobs are scarce and there's a family to feed, it's easy to be bullied into keeping silent. It certainly doesn't mean keeping silent is anywhere near right, but when one is put in a position of fearing personal harm, then what? The bullying and abuse doesn't stop with the kids who were harmed. There's always collateral damage when there's a culture of silence. It's always the most vulnerable who take the worst of it.

It's complicated; much more complicated than we know right now. I don't know about the janitors or what their situation is, but if there was as much cover-up from those in power as we're finding out, I'm pretty sure threats to keep silent "or else" were shoved back down the food chain. It's almost always that way.

[roguevalley]

51. apparently, this guy also pimped out boys to big donors. the

horror of this hasn't even reached halfway to the bottom yet.

[RagAss]

67. What ???????

[Patiod]

75. And Clinton killed Vince Foster

I heard it on the internets.

Please. This is appalling enough without people making shit up.

[CoffeeCat]

81. I commented on your underlying suppositions...

...in another post, but I'd just like to point out that it is entirely possible
that Sandusky--a raging pedophile--could have been sharing his victims with other
pedophiles.

This is what pedophiles do. I don't know if people have fully grasped the notion
that Sandusky founded and ran a charity for vulnerable boys who hailed from dysfunctional
families and broken homes. Obviously, Sandusky didn't run this charity because he
was a pillar of the community. He was doing it to attract a steady and constant stream
of victims to use and abuse.

I have sat in support groups for victims of childhood sexual abuse--and I have counseled
with therapists who treat pedophiles.

These manipulative animals are devious about finding other like-minded pedophiles. They
like to share victims and validate each other's sick thought processes.

I would be VERY surprised if there weren't other pedophiles who were victimizing these
children. This whole operation was run specifically for Sandusky to ensnare victims and
at least twenty people--people with incredible power at Penn State and in the law-enforcement
community--knew that Sandusky was a pedophile and had known it since 1998.

Yes, we don't know the full truth here. But please--I get concerned when people
underestimate pedophiles. They are not only capable of doing such things--this is the
kind of opportunity that they seek out on a daily basis.

[eridani]

85. I think that just applies to pedophiles with a sociopathic sense of entitlement

Just because someone has a sexual-emotional preference for kids doesn't automatically imply sociopathology. I'll bet there are quite a few people with that orientation who realize that an actual relationship with a kid runs right into the serious ethical issue of informed consent, and therefore they restrict themselves to fantasy. Hard to prove this of course, because who would ever dare take the risk of trying to explain that to the general public?

In the 19th century, there were at least two well-known people who were in love with kids and as far as anyone knows, never laid a hand on any of them. That would be the Reverend Dodsworth and Alice Liddell, and Lord Baden-Powell and his boy scouts.

[OneBlueSky]

88. thanks for pointing that out . . .

there's a difference between a pedophile and a predator . . . the suffix "-phile" means an attraction to, and it's possible for an individual to be attracted to boys and never act on that attraction . . . a predator, on the other hand, is just what the word implies -- one who preys upon another, usually someone weaker or in a subserviant position . . .

I've known a few pedophiles in my time on the planet, and none of them would ever consider preying on a child . . . their attraction is limited to fantasizing . . . and though many are in positions that put them in contact with kids, these individuals would no more hurt a child than they would run barefoot through the dump . . .

[CoffeeCat]

101. If a pedophile...

...is attracted sexually to children--then they shouldn't be around children. EVER.

You said that you've known a few pedophiles who "are in positions that put them
in contact with kids". These people need to find a good therapist, who will
tell them to stop before they hurt children.

Being around children--when you have the desire to have sex with them--is a form
of abuse toward the child. The pedophile certainly won't recognize their behavior as
harmful. They never do. They view their dysfunction through a very myopic
lens. It's *always* about them. Never about the child and what is best
for the child.

A pedophile's desire to sexualize children is a violation to these children and to the
unsuspecting parents of these children--who absolutely would not want their children
around a pedophile. The lies begin when they are around children.

All pedophiles start out--just being attracted to the notion of sexualizing children.
After being around children, they become more bold and they act out on those
fantasies.

I suppose not acting on their dysfunction is a good thing--in the same way that a serial
killer avoided killing someone, even though he's only lurking in the shadows and desiring
a kill. It isn't long before the telltale pedophile distortions and rationalizations
kick in--and suddenly, they're touching kids and worse. Pedophiles often spend months
"grooming" their victims.

These people need to cut off all contact from children. PERIOD.

[tblue]

122. "These people need to cut off..."

something! Lol!

I agree. No way in the world should they ever have access to children. In fact, a child should never be alone with any adult ever! Until they are old enough to defend themselves. I don't care if it's a doctor or teacher or a tutor. No way!

And that's why this miserable man chose these particular kids, because they were basically left unprotected by a vigilant patent. Egad, how sick!

[caseymoz]

148. A serial killer who never kills anybody never gets caught, you know?

Sexual attraction is a phenomenon in the midbrain. That also controls a person's sexual orientation, in other words, what body form or template the person is attracted to. It's leads to an unconscious drive beneath any considerations of power against anybody.

However, this is mediated and socialized through the frontal lobes, which, in adults are the seat of the conscious mind and open to conscious influences. They can alter the impulses coming from the midbrain.

So, is the attraction for children a template in the mid-brain, like sexual orientation? Or does it come from the frontal lobes, which is the part that does consider things like power?

I don't know. I haven't seen any brain studies on pedophiles. But as an heterosexual guy who has no attraction to children, I could say pedophilia is so alien to anything in my mentality, I've got to think that the wires for it must be buried pretty deep. What strengthens my opinion about this is how rigid the preference is, and how much punishment and adversity the person will take and never give it up, like prison, ostracism, and even danger to one's own life, and apparently never be able to be attracted to an adult.

Now, it could be the frontal lobes, but then I have to ask, just what was the person's original sexual template in the midbrain? Would they have originally been just straight, attracted to adults?

I'd have to see some neurolo-brain studies of pedophiles before I can believe that they start out sexualizing children rather than feel sexual attraction for them.

[apples and oranges]

102. If you know pedophiles who are working around kids

you need to intervene and stop it before someone gets hurt or killed. Don't be naive

[OneBlueSky]

121. if I didn't make it clear in my post . . .

I knew these people (there were two) many years ago . . . one was an elementary school teacher (5th grade, I think) in New York who, when I knew him, had been teaching for almost 20 years . . . the other was youth counselor with a nonprofit organization that helped families in crisis . . . I knew them separately, and at different points in my life that did not overlap . . . I have no idea what they are doing now, or even if they're still alive . . .

sorry I wasn't clearer, but my point remains the same . . . there's a difference beween a pedophile and a predator . . . a pedophile is not necessarily a predator, and a predator is not necessarily a pedophile . . .

[eridani]

153. Explain why you think that someone attracted to kids who has decided not to act on that--

--would ever tell you or anyone else about it.

[CoffeeCat]

94. That type of thinking enables pedophiles. Please stop.

Your post is riddled with jargon that is often used to rationalize and justify
pedophilia. It is dangerous. Please think about what you are saying.

You describe pedophilia in very euphemistic terms. Pedophilia is
not a "preference". Please do not position the desire to sexualize children
--as some kind of harmless choice. Any and all sexual acts with a child
are an act of hate and aggression toward the child. Someone who "prefers"
that does so from a position of weakness, dysfunction and a very distorted
and stunted perspective--much in the same way that a serial killer "prefers"
to watch their victims suffer and die.

Pedophiles may be "attracted" to children--but the attraction isn't based on
love. It's based on the imbalance of power in the relationship that gives
the pedophile a very distorted and false sense of power and control--that he/she
desires--but can't get from adults and from functioning normally. The attraction
stems from being broken, unhealthy and weak.

Anyone who is attracted to the notion of having any sexual contact with children--
is fantasizing about rape--and the power and control it gives them. It's always
rape with children because they lack the cognitive ability and development to
escape from pedophiles and deal with what is happening. Children lack an adult's
understanding of sex. But the adult understands very well. It is this imbalance
of power that the pedophile gets off on.

It's very sick and destructive.

Pedophiles will tell you over and over again--how much they love children. Yet,
any sexual behavior toward them will most likely derail the child's development,
cause serious mental illness and possibly even suicide. This is not a joke.
Please do not excuse away the seriousness of this. I have sat in support groups
and watched adults tell their stories. I've met hundreds of survivors. The ones
who are strong enough (and are lucky enough to have the resources) to attend
therapy and group sessions are traumatized. Thousands of dollars--and years--are
spent in therapy trying to undo the horrendous damage. Pedophilia causes trauma
and pain--as well as drug addiction, alcoholism, depression, eating disorders, phobias, an
inability to trust anyone and horrendous challenges--such as an inability to hold
down a job or take care of themselves.

Pedophilia is not some "lifestyle choice" nor is it a "preference" it is an incredibly
insidious blight on our society and on our children that causes untold damage.

[Fokker Trip]

139. Your posts are great, thanks..

I see a huge problem in the way paedophiles are demonized by society. What they do to children is inexcusable and horrific, but they are generally individuals who need help. In preying on children they are acting on their dis-function.

When they are ostracized and demonized, they are less able and less likely to get help. For the sake of future potential victims these men need to be intensively helped, not just warehoused somewhere. If they are not going to be killed they need to be helped and re-integrated into society with restrictions on their behavior.

One way or another they are going to be living amongst us all and I would rather know that they are getting lots of help than just being left to their own devices whilst being shunned.

[eridani]

154. How would you know? If someone is attracted to kids, but has decided not to act on it--

--why would he tell you or anyone else about it?

[WinkyDink]

98. I wouldn't bet the ranch on old Baden-Powell, there. Nor on Lewis Carroll.

[caseymoz]

131. You're right, except"Sociopathic sense entitlement" describes Sandusky.

How else can you explain him having sex repeatedly with boys at the university shower? He couldn't find a more private place?

Also, the ones with the sociopathic sense of entitlement are usually the people who rise to the top in any criminal network.

[eridani]

155. Exactly--these are the visible pedophiles, and they need to be removed from society n/t

[WinkyDink]

97. There are investigative reporters on this angle. And this "rumor" comes from a reporter

who wrote about the then-upcoming GJ report MONTHS AGO. This is a man who KNOWS and HEARS things.

Damn. Ostriches sure get aggressive with bloodhounds.

[fishwax]

134. for the record, the reporter didn't break the grand jury story -- it was already public knowl

I've seen several posters claim that these rumors should be given credence because they're reported by Mike Madden, and he was on the story months ago, years ago, before anyone else, etc. It's true that Madden wrote a column about the grand jury back in April, but other newspapers had already broken the case. I've read his april column, and it was a good one, but I don't find these rumors he's reporting any more credible just because he's the one reporting them.

[caseymoz]

129. It's from very good authority. The guy who uncovered the story long before the indictment.

The story comes from Mark Madden:

http://goo.gl/bIpb9

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

http://goo.gl/hQYPs

Madden has been following the Sandusky case long before the former coach's alleged sex crimes against young boys became widely known several days ago. In April, Madden authored an article for the Beaver County Times positing that Sandusky's sex crimes had been swept under the rug by Penn State in the late 1990s in exchange for his quiet resignation.

[fishwax]

135. he didn't uncover the story -- it had been reported in other newspapers n/t

[caseymoz]

143. In April?

Newspapers have been on this for seven months before the indictment?

That really is a scandal, then.

[fishwax]

145. The Harrisburg Patriot-News broke the story of the investigation at the end of March

I think that this is the story/package when they first went public with the story of the investigation: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/patriot-news_report_jerry_sand.html

[caseymoz]

146. And the reporter first heard about this from police in 2009.

This is quite incredible. Then the evidence has been substantial for years.

[KansDem]

108. Got to accommodate the "Big Donors."

I heard this story and am waiting for more reports to follow.

If I remember correctly, the DA turned up missing in 2005. His laptop was found but too damaged to glean any information of it. Maybe some 1%-er had him offed?

I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg....

[former9thward]

119. Apparently you love to spread internet rumors.

You do know don't you the guy spreading that one has a long history of putting baseless rumors on the internet to get publicity for himself.

[Atypical Liberal]

114. Is a janitor going to take a stand against the most powerful person at the university?

I don't think so.

[seabeyond]

2. you cannot tell me in 1998 it went all the way to the da and the man retired from football, paterno

did not know.

[closeupready]

19. Ditto. I just can NOT believe anyone who

says he didn't. He HAD to have known, right?

[elfin]

3. And now a fast spreading rumor

that he procured boys for second mile donors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/penn-state-scandal-rumors-sandusky-pimping_n_1086099.html

Some people there must have known as well and covered things up.

That heinous creature has destroyed kids and two otherwise worthy organizations.

[melissaf]

69. This report

seems a little dubious. I think I'll stick with the already atrocious, well-confirmed story before I believe there was a third-world-style sex-slave ring running out of Beaver Stadium.

[Patiod]

76. I'm please to see not everyone is gullible

I hate to see people on DU believe the ridiculous. It's like that (bad) satirical piece in the Kansas paper which purported that Obama had sexually harassed people on the Law Review (sort of mocking the whole Cain thing), and the idiot wingnuts all jumped in and said "that's terrible!" "I believe it!"

I like to think people on DU aren't as credulous.

[WinkyDink]

99. Guess what? Before this GJ report, a million PSU alumni would be using YOUR EXACT LANGUAGE.

"Ridiculous!" "How can people be so credulous?!"

Yeah, yeah.

Better save your coupons for crow; this story is not over.

[yardwork]

109. It may not be true, but the suggestion is not "ridiculous." Pedophile rings exist.

They're not just third-world organizations, as suggested upthread. Almost every time I read about a child pornographer in the paper, they turn out to be part of a large network of other child pornographers, often involving hundreds of perpetrators. Child molesters seem to seek one another out.

The grand jury report presents clear evidence that Jerry Sandusky has been raping children for at least a decade, while running a charity for at-risk youth. It would be "ridiculous" and dangerously naive to assume that he wasn't molesting or raping other children. If he was acting entirely alone, I think that would make him an exception rather than the usual. I will be very surprised if others aren't eventually implicated.

Pedophiles don't stop with one or two children. Their victims run into the hundreds and even thousands. Jerry Sandusky ensured access to vulnerable children by creating and running an organization, and dozens of powerful people knew it and let it happen. Those are FACTS.

[CoffeeCat]

80. Why is it so difficult believe?

You've got a raging pedophile--who raped children out in the open in the shower--and
he was running a charity for kids from dysfunctional families.

So many people in power knew about Sandusky's pedophilia.

He had a steady stream of boys coming into that charity and there were many donors.

How in the hell could it seem so outrageous that others joined in? Sexual abuse
of children is not uncommon. These sick types constantly seek out each other--in order
to share victims.

Sandusky was practically advertising that he was a pedophile. It's been documented that at
least twenty people, for sure--knew he was a raging pedophile.

Sandusky was forced to retire at 55. He didn't want to retire. 55 is young for a coach
to retire. He never worked as a coach again. We all know why. They ALL knew. This
entire community knew what he was all about. It was a poorly kept secret that this
guy was a raging pedophile.

It's not only plausible that other pedophiles would seek him out for victims--it's highly
probable that this is what happened.

At the very least--don't be disingenuous and overly dramatic--by suggestion that
the notion is the most outlandish thing you've ever heard, or conspiracy theory. It's
EXACTLY what would happen in the pedophile community.

[freeplessinseattle]

84. Yes, I find it more believable than not.

the extent of such sickness knows no bounds, and they do indeed seek out like minded sickos to enable and validate each other.

[Liberal_in_LA]

4. I heard graduate asst who witnessed the actual raping of 10 yr old in show was 27 years old

or older. Football player. Why didn't he physically stop the rape? He didn't have to beat up Sandusky or anything. Just pull the boy out of there?

[TheWraith]

8. People sometimes react unpredictably when confronted by something shocking.

Often they don't necessarily think clearly. That would probably go doubly when it involves a legendary and still pretty powerful individual around those parts. He should have called the police himself at some point, but I can't fault him that much for not knowing what to do right then.

[DebJ]

49. Well my 'unpredictable' behavior would have been to attack

the man who was assaulting the boy.

[TheWraith]

53. Estimations like that are easier in hindsight.

People in shock don't necessarily think clearly. Just saying.

[Politicalboi]

68. Mine too

[99 Percent Sure]

142. +1. eom

[emilyg]

138. I would know

what to do RIGHT then.

[freshwest]

46. His job was more important to him than doing what's right. A common theme.

[qb]

6. this better transform quickly into a far-reaching and very public investigation.

[Liberal_in_LA]

7. cops knew... need to get their names on the list

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. Right! There's also a DA who has disappeared off the face of earth too. HE KNEW ABOUT IT!

No one has been able to find him.

[closeupready]

22. I wouldn't be surprised if he is still among the living.

Somewhere in who knows where. ??? Anywhere really. Point being, he was "declared" dead, but no corpse was ever found. Thus, I really just can't believe he's dead.

[WinkyDink]

100. I highly doubt it. His brother "committed suicide" in 1996.

Brother was a military contractor, but hey, look away! No politics involved!

[janet118]

50. The weird thing is that he disappeared 7 years after the 1st report..

He didn't choose to prosecute the first allegation because of lack of evidence. That's probably why the 2002 incident, which had an eye witness, was never reported to police. Maybe the DA got wind of it somehow just before he disappeared.

[DURHAM D]

9. Include Wendell Courtney.

He was Penn's attorney and Second Mile Foundation attorney at the same time.



I think he will be indicted.

[Aerows]

59. See - that's what kills me

The Second Mile Foundation HAD to know, yet they still let Sandusky associate with those children. That's a truly disgusting part of this story. It's like the whole Boy's Town scandal. Certainly more than one or two people knew all about it going on, and nobody lifted a finger to keep him from preying on those kids.

I'm beginning to believe the story of the kids being pimped out to donors, simply because somebody had to be making enough money to turn a blind eye to such horrific crimes.

[yardwork]

115. The question of big football boosters runs through this story.

The big money donors HAD to have known about Sandusky. Nothing happens in big-time college football without the major donors knowledge and consent. They know everything.

[BReisen]

125. Penn STATE's attorney, not Penn's (Penn = University of PA = a different school!) n/t

[jobycom]

10. Add every AD of every major football program, pro and college, in the country to that list.

Sandusky was a top coaching prospect when he retired, yet no one called him to offer a job over fourteen years. They all knew he was untouchable, and they all knew why.

The cowardly board of trustees knew, too, and they didn't fire Paterno because of what he didn't do--if so, they'd have fired McQueary first, because he even refused to stop the crime while it was happening. They fired Paterno because they were afraid of what he would say about them. Same reason they blocked his press conference. Now he's discredited--for a lot less than a lot of others are guilty of in this case--and probably locked into all kinds of confidentiality clauses and restrictions.

Paterno was a human sacrifice. He's the virgin tossed into the volcano to save the rest of the villagers from the wrath of the media gods. Not that he's a virgin.

[DURHAM D]

17. Spot on.

[renate]

20. wow... interesting/horrifying point about the other coaches knowing

I know less about football than I do about particle physics, but now that you point it out, I'd have thought that someone like him could have written his own ticket to any coaching job he wanted. Did anybody wonder aloud about why he didn't?

If this was an open secret in football... well, wow. Just wow. Props to the other coaches for not hiring him despite his reputation, I guess... it's not as though they could have actually done anything. But if he wasn't completely ostracized by those who knew, then he should have been.

[jobycom]

36. It wasn't a complete secret, really.

He was arrested in 1998 for the same thing, but all they could really prove was that he had showered with young children, so the DA decided not to press charges. Sandusky retired then, but kept a vague connection with Penn State, since Penn State presumably figured he was innocent since he hadn't been prosecuted. Then in 02 McQueary witnessed him in the showers with a 10 year old, and instead of calling the police or trying to stop it himself, he went back to his office and called his father, upset. He told his father, and left campus to go to his father's house. The next day he told Paterno he had seen something.

Paterno initially claimed that he was not told any details, just that McQueary had seen something that upset him, and he reported it to the AD, who assured him he would investigate. That's believable--McQueary may have been ashamed that he hadn't done more, and kept the details scant. But McQueary has made statements that sound like he told Paterno more than Paterno says he was told. That's what I wanted to see investigated before they fired Paterno. If Paterno didn't know the whole story, and was told by his boss that it was nothing, just more of the same misunderstanding that happened in 98, then it's no surprise that Paterno didn't go to the cops. What if the board of trustees had discussed the matter and told Paterno it was taken care of, too. They certainly wouldn't want him saying that publicly. And what would he tell the cops if he called them? "I heard from someone that he saw something he wouldn't tell me about?"

On the other hand, maybe he knew the whole story and helped shut McQueary up with threats. That's what I'd like to see investigated.

But, Sandusky's problem was no secret, and his continued unofficial relationship with Penn State was no secret, and I find it hard to believe no one ever brought up to the board of trustees or to the board of the charity that he had been investigated for this crime in the past. So there were a lot of fumbles on this case. Sandusky, like most career pedophiles, is probably persuasive at convincing people that he's just a victim of circumstances, and not guilty of any crime. I knew of a guy once--a friend of a friend of my spouse--who was accused of molesting boys. He told his closest friends that he was gay, and that he was trying to hide that fact (to explain some lies and secrets he was caught in), but when a parent who had trusted their child with him found out he was gay, they freaked and began accusing him of molesting children. Those around him--my spouse and I weren't in that circle, we heard of him later--supported him, thinking he was a good guy who was being persecuted for being gay. Turned out he wasn't gay, he was a pedophile and had molested the kid, and threatened to kill the kid and the kid's family if the kid told anyone. Scary stuff. Of course, those who knew the guy found him nice and sensitive and charming, and didn't want to believe the worst about him. Who ever wants to believe that about someone they know?

Maybe Sandusky was pulling some act like that, is what I'm saying, so Paterno thought he was being a good guy by secretly giving this guy a chance. Maybe the whole board thought that. Whatever it was, the allegations weren't secret, and he still was allowed around Penn State and the charity. And who knows what else we'll find out, eventually?

Sorry so long. I get typing and can't stop.

[renate]

43. thanks for all those details--I'm pretty new to this story and hadn't heard some of them

And I wouldn't be surprised if you're right about a serial abuser being persuasive, etc.

I keep thinking about all the people who had to choose between telling and not telling, knowing that making a stink would be the right thing to do but would also mean the end of their careers, when they didn't do anything wrong but become aware of these horrific crimes. I don't feel any sympathy whatsoever for those above Sandusky--Paderno and the board of trustees--who actually could have taken steps to end this; I do have some pity for those who didn't abuse anybody but who--being powerless relative to Sandusky--would have risked their livelihoods to do the right thing and pursue it until he was stopped.

[BlueMTexpat]

90. Like you, I really hadn't been following the story that much.

But there seems to be a pretty good recap on Wikipedia (with the usual caveats about Wiki material) that should bring you up to speed, including the story of the missing, presumed dead, DA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky_child_sexual_abuse_scandal

What I also think is interesting is that Rick Santorum (GOP Presidential candidate) actually honored Sandusky. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/rick-santorum-sponsored-honor-for-accused-psu-coach-jerry-sandusky/248234/

The Atlantic gives Santorum a pass ("How could he have known?"). But this event occurred after 1998, when charges were first brought, and one would have thought that Santorum's staff at least might have asked a few more salient questions before letting Santorum honor the guy.

[Aerows]

55. There's no WAY it was a secret

You can't keep a secret like that with so many people involved unless there's money, threats and intimidation involved. There is just no way.

[Fla Dem]

104. Let's not forget the press and media.

Was there any reporting of any kind on the Sandusky arrest in 1998? If so many people knew, how did it not leak to the press? I find it very odd that some entereprising reporter didn't connect the dots.

[tuckessee]

157. Many sports reporters had an inkling something was going on.

They heard rumors about Sandusky but ran into a stone wall whenever they tried to interview anyone even remotely connected to PSU or State College, Pa. so their investigations never got off the ground.

[fishwax]

165. there was no Sandusky arrest in 1998

There was an investigation, but he was never arrested, afaik.

[fishwax]

58. Clarification -- Sandusky was investigated in 1998, but he wasn't arrested

As far as I know, anyway. He was investigated, but not arrested, and charges weren't filed. Had he been arrested, it likely would have garnered more publicity, but he was not arrested and the allegations were not made public at the time. Schultz (one of the two charged with perjury and failure to report) admitted to the grand jury that he was aware of the 1998 investigation, but Spanier, the university president, told the grand jury that he had not been aware of the 1998 university police investigation. So the '98 affair wasn't public knowledge.

One more quick clarification--
"Paterno initially claimed that he was not told any details, just that McQueary had seen something that upset him, and he reported it to the AD, who assured him he would investigate. That's believable--McQueary may have been ashamed that he hadn't done more, and kept the details scant. But McQueary has made statements that sound like he told Paterno more than Paterno says he was told. That's what I wanted to see investigated before they fired Paterno."

Paterno has claimed that McQueary went into all the details revealed in the GJ presentment, but he has not denied knowing the incident was sexual. In fact, the presentment says that Paterno reported to Curley (the AD) that the GA had seen Sandusky in the showers "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature" with the young boy. Curley and Schultz claimed they were told it was "horsing around," or some such thing, but Paterno's own account (while not admitting to having heard explicitly about anal sex/rape) acknowledges knowledge of sexual behavior.

[PotatoChip]

60. What about the charity after 2002?

On the news just now they said that the charity was notified in that 2002 incident. No mention was made of exactly what the charity admins were told; NBC news just said "they were notified". Do you know if the charity administrators barred Sandusky from the organization after that?

[jobycom]

73. Here's a timeline. It says Sandusky was involved in the charity until December of 2010.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html?ref=mostpopular

It says that Curley told McQueary in 2002 that he had reported the action to Second Mile, but it doesn't say for certain that Curley actually did notify Second Mile. I don't know on that one.

[PotatoChip]

92. 2010? Ugh!!!

So he had 'access' to these boys for a very long time. Sickening.

Thanks for all the info you've provided here jobycom.

[fishwax]

137. Curley testified that he told TSM's Executive Director "about the conduct" in 2002

But since Curley seems a little slippery with respect to what he thought the conduct was, it's not clear exactly what he told them.

[jobycom]

147. yeah, true. nt

[Politicalboi]

70. I find it hard to believe

"Paterno initially claimed that he was not told any details, just that McQueary had seen something that upset him, and he reported it to the AD, who assured him he would investigate".

Joe didn't know the details? What a bunch of shit that is. Then what did the guy tell him? I hope they put all of those assholes in jail.

[jobycom]

72. Remember what McQueary had seen, and what he may have then been thinking.

McQueary saw the crime happening--in other words, he watched an older man anally rape a ten year old boy--and he did nothing except call his father and leave the campus. McQueary may have been vague on the details to cover his own negligence, out of shame, or maybe even out of legal advice. Did his father advise him to be vague? Did either of them call an attorney before reporting it to Paterno? Neither of them called the cops, either.

So, no, I don't find it hard to believe that McQueary was deliberately scant on the details. I also would not find it hard to believe that McQueary told him everything and Paterno pressured him to hush up about it. That's why they needed an investigation before firing Paterno.

[yardwork]

120. Joe Paterno ran a big-time college football program for almost half a century. He is a control freak

The head coach - this is Joe Paterno we're talking about - didn't find out the exact details of what his graduate assistant had witnessed and was so upset that the young man came to the head coach's house to talk it over? No way. That is not believable.

Head coaches know every detail of what happens in their programs. They are the kings of their domains. Somebody witnessed something "upsetting" that took place in the showers of Joe Paterno's sports complex involving one of his former coaches and Joe Paterno didn't find out every single detail? No way. He knew.

Besides, this happened in 2002 and Paterno already knew that Sandusky had been accused in 1998 - four years earlier - and had to retire.

Paterno knew everything at least since 1998.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

161. Yep! Reads like part of the cover-up.

Paterno was a player since 1998.

[hunter]

24. Yep. Same power structure as the Catholic Church.

And I'm guessing just as rotten in its hierarchy.

Seems football really is a religion to some people.

[dkf]

25. That is curious. Makes sense.

[FarCenter]

30. College football is homoerotic tribalism

Tribalism in the sense of identification with a group of heros going out to do battle for the tribe; identification with tribes uniforms, insignia, and regalia; and adoption of a totem (what the heck is a Nittany Lion?).

Homoerotic as evidenced by the exaggeratedly masculine shoulder pads; the bulging crotch with the protector; the tight, shiny pants conducive to butt-patting; and the shiny helment designed to emulate the glans of a penis.

Not to mention the group showers, towel snapping, and "horseplay".

Note also that in the tribal structure, Paterno plays the role of the shaman or medicine man, who imparts wisdom to the tribe and gives magical powers to the young heros, while staying off the field of battle and guiding them from a distance.

[coalition_unwilling]

32. +1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - I really wish you would make this

an OP of its own. Really aolid profund anthropological analysis here.

Bravo! Hope to read more of your insights.

[LanternWaste]

33. I think you're conflating protective gear with eroticism.

I think you're conflating simple protective gear with eroticism. I think if we look with enough determination, we can also claim that cloud, a tree, and house roofs are also "homoerotic". (Also, is your position that the helmet was designed to "emulate the glans of penis" merely speculation or is there substantive evidence?)

As for tribalism, that particular aspect of humanity permeates every aspect of our lives-- down to DU in which we have a fantastic us-vs-them mentality, and political parities with their own totems of donkeys and elephants. I certainly don't think it's particular to sports.

The shaman/medicine role man can also be found in teachers and educators, parents, peers, etc.

Seems that almost everything you referred top other than protective gear may be found in chess, reading a book, or eating dinner.

I think if we look with enough determination, we can find anything in anything. Else we're forced to conclude that everything is homoerotic tribalism... :shrug:

[jobycom]

38. Good points on the tribalism. Not convinced on the equipment as homoerotic symbolism, though.

I can see some of that--the exaggerated shoulders to accentuate masculinity, for instance. I think the helmet as a penis is going too far.

But yeah, it fills that role for people, like Sandusky, who need that role filled, and the tribalism is a good point. The coach is a shaman, morals are sacrificed for the good of the tribe... that fits the situation.

[Raksha]

57. That makes a lot of sense from a psychological POV,

both Freudian and Jungian.

[calimary]

74. Excellent points. And now that you mention it - just what the heck is a Nittany Lion?

[alcibiades_mystery]

117. Near the Penn State campus is a large hill called Mount Nittany

The areas on and around this hill were once populated by an odd breed of mountain lion, now extinct.

Nittany itself is probably a settler modification of the Native American name for the mountain.

[eridani]

86. You see monkeys and apes doing the same thing when confronted by predators

Younger and more expendable males run up and throw things at the predator, while the rest of the tribe jumps up and down and vocalizes.

[coalition_unwilling]

163. Awesome! What an image! I'll never watch football in exactly

the same way ever again (not that I spend much time watching it under any circumstances :)

[KoKo]

106. +1....very descriptive...interesting..

[tpsbmam]

127. I've often said this....add in the piling on of players into a heap on the field

and the dropping of hankies by the refs and you've got a whole picture. I watch the piling part and I totally get the tackle....why is it that 10 other guys feel the need to jump onto the pile? I once pointed all of this out to a strapping former U of Michigan football player, a guy who was being a total macho sexist asshole. We were with about 5 other people. He turned shades of red I've rarely seen on a person. And I thought he was going to kill me! He was NOT amused! His reaction was very interesting to me....it almost seemed like a mixture of recognition of the homoerotic nature of the game he pushed as being so macho & fury at me for seeing it and pointing it out.

[coalition_unwilling]

164. OMG, I think you are lucky to have escaped with your life from that

little encounter. Had the linebacker been on steroids, you might not have been so lucky.

Repeated your post to my wife and she called it 'priceless' :)

[Myrina]

130. ... and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ...

OMG :wtf:

[99 Percent Sure]

140. FarCenter, ITA. Even the stance the QB takes with

out spread hands positioned just so between the bent over player's thighs to receive the ball for passing.

Thanks, OP, for the list.

Reports are that Paterno has hired a big time defense attorney. Why would he have to if he knew little to nothing? HE KNEW DETAILS.

All those who saw and didn't report what they saw to the proper legal authorities in a timely manner are cowards, and the grad assistant, the janitor and anyone else who were eyewitnesses to Sandusky's abominable actions against children but made no effort to rescue them knowing that they were being violated are poor excuses for human beings.

Making a case that a pedophile is merely a fantasizer, not a predator is weird; pedophile and predator are synonymous and indistinguishable.

I'd be surprised if Sandusky wasn't running a ring giving fellow predators access to his stash of sexually abused boys; why is this so far-fetched? In fact, I'd be shocked if he stopped defiling boys after all the repercussions since 1998.

[angel823]

144. I agree

Very spot-on.

Angel in Texas

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[jobycom]

42. Well... everyone?

He was assistant coach of the year twice, he regularly sent defensive players to the NFL, he turned down several head coaching jobs (maryland, for one) because he was expected to take over for Paterno when Paterno (who was 70 in 1997) retired...

Your question confuses me. How could you not have heard his name batted around before the 98 arrest?

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[DURHAM D]

79. If you were not on the search committee you have no actual knowledge.

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[former9thward]

118. Talk about wild assumptions.

You have no idea what other AD's knew. Of course if you are a conspiracy theorist then no conspiracy is too big for you. How do you know Sandusky ever applied to coach any place else? So every AD, pro and college, in a 14 year period was part of a cover up. The things people say and believe.

If the trustees were afraid of Paterno firing him would be the very last thing they would do. They would have kept him on so they could control him. And no, when you fire someone there is no confidentiality clauses that apply. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[jakefrep]

150. Not likely.

If that were true, the lid would have been blown off of this much sooner.

I can't imagine all of Penn State's competitors would sit on this kind of information about Sandusky if it meant they could knock Penn State down a few pegs.

[tuckessee]

156. Several colleges considered him according to the USA Today.

Sandusky told Virginia he wasn't interested because he wanted to devote all his time to charity.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. I'm sorry, but this whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.

WTF? Don't ANY of those people have children of their own? Couldn't they have put themselves in the shoes of those poor little boys? What if Sandusky had done this to THEIR children? Would they have ignored it? This is disgusting what they have done. It's unconscionable. They should all be FIRED!

There's also a DA who is missing in action. He has disappeared off the face of the earth, supposedly. Did they pay him off and set him up on some far away island or have him killed?

[closeupready]

23. Personally, I think he's still alive, likely. There was a film about this with Andy Garcia.

He's a Madoff-type figure who 'dies' and ends up 'buried' on some beach chair on the shores of Baja California, sipping Tequila Sunrises, a la "Body Double".

[KansDem]

112. Don't you mean a "Ken Lay-type figure?"

Ken Lay is the one who "died" after being found guilty but before sentencing.

Madoff's in prison--the result of what happens when you rip off rich people...

[janet118]

15. Did anyone else hear report that this guy disappeared?

"Ray Gricar (Centre County District Attorney) - received report from Schreffler and decided there would be no criminal charges."

They found his car and laptop - with hard drive destroyed - but no body. NBC - Philadelphia

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. YEP! That was reported on the Ed Schultz show last night. He knew about the case and has now

disappeared off the face of the earth. FBI will be investigating.

[onenote]

83. He disappeared more than 6 years ago. And it was extensively investigated then

[Liberal_in_LA]

35. yep. Saw whole hour show about his disappearance a few months ago

[Patiod]

78. Before the disappearance, he had been asking around about how to destroy a hard drive

The whole thing is very strange.

[tuckessee]

158. Whom did he ask?

The reports I read said searches for that subject were found on his home computer (which doesn't necessarily prove that he did them) but did not mention that he had directly asked that question in person to any individuals.

[Arugula Latte]

16. Absolutely appalling.

:grr:

[LynneSin]

21. I'm starting to wonder what politicians knew like Tom Ridge, Ed Rendell and especially Tom Corbett

Not just that the governor of Pennsylvania is automatically a member of the Board of Trustee:

http://www.psu.edu/trustees/membership.html

But Tom Corbett was the Attorney General of Pennsylvania from 2004-2010 (Rendell was governor and thus a member of the Board of Trustees at the time). Tom Ridge was governor in 2002 when the one incident occured.

[dkf]

27. If it was known throughout college football as is speculated above, then I imagine they knew

[tishaLA]

41. I heard Rendell on WIP yesterday morning, giving a "let's not be hasty"

defense of Paterno and, honestly, it kinda shocked me. This case seems so clear to me and, while Paterno might be able to get Rendell's sympathy from a legal standpoint--he can always rely upon the plausible deniability for reporting it to the AD--the moral and ethical lapses are too grave to earn Ed's niceties.

[yardwork]

116. Uh-huh. I've been wondering that too.

[Liberal_in_LA]

26. his wife knew. Heard she tried to stop someone from reporting it

[Gin]

29. focus will shift back to sandusky and family soon....JoPa is news for

now...god what a mess.

[shanti]

31. that sickens me

now i'm wondering if he molested his own adopted children (of which 5 were boys).

[Aerows]

56. That's probably where it started

And then they grew up, and he needed a new crop of victims so he started the Second Mile Foundation - which by the way, shares an attorney with Penn State and is fairly buddy buddy with them.

There is NO WAY they didn't know about this, yet they still allowed him to be around the children. That's VERY suspect right there, and leads me to believe, once again, there is a big old money trail here somewhere.

[tuckessee]

159. Nah, it probably started well before that.

Sandusky's old man ran a "youth recreation center" in Washington, Pa. The family lived in an apartment above the facilities.

[markpkessinger]

28. Re: VP Gary Schulz

Schulz is the senior VP who oversees the university police. Schulz initially heard from Curley, and together they called in McQueary for an interview. Schulz neglected to have the police force, which reports to him, investigate further.

I'm not excusing Paterno's dropping the ball on this, or for his failure to encourage McQueary to go to the police, to call the police himself, or to follow up when it was apparent nothing was being done. BUT, in all fairness, Paterno did to what was legally (even if not morally) required, so it is inaccurate to say he did nothing. Morally, should he have done more? Absolutely. But he did comply with the law by notifying his organizational superior, athletic director Tim Curley. And the man who overseas the university police, Schulz, WAS notified.

[Hubert Flottz]

37. Paterno cried a little bit after he got caught covering up, so shouldn't

that be enough?

I wonder how many tears those little boys shed?

[markpkessinger]

61. I'm not defending Paterno in any way, so cut the emotional manipulation shit already! n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

91. Joe is the one who turned on the tears for the cameras...

I'll bet you Joe was crying for Joe!

[Doc Holliday]

107. No doubt he was.

I believe it was LBJ who said that a man who couldn't cry if needed wasn't worth a damn.

These fuckers make me ill.

[Angry Dragon]

39. As an educator he has more responsibility

[markpkessinger]

62. I am not disputing that. In fact, I know no one who is disputing that,. n/t

[lindysalsagal]

40. Ray Gricar (Centre County District Attorney) If he wouldn't listen, there's no reason to report.

So it really all goes to this DA. Wonder where that guy's been since?

[Angry Dragon]

63. been a missing person since 2005

[TorchTheWitch]

87. Gricar didn't bring charges in 1998 because he didn't have a case

The allegations brought in that incident didn't add up to a crime. Showering with a boy is not a crime. Even hugging boy in the shower who one knows well is not a crime. There is no question whatsoever that it was grossly inappropriate and horribly suspicious, but it wasn't a crime.

[SoCalDem]

44. It was for way more than 10 years.

:(

and too many victims to count easily..probably even for him:grr:

[Johonny]

45. I think the outragged on Joe Paterno is to keep heat off the whole region

it is really hard to believe a DA could know, and with so many victims, that everyone in the police, mayor, university, and media didn't know. JoePa is the easy figure head for peoples Anger, but seriously this whole town/county system has to be corrupt.

I'm starting to ask myself why in the hell would any team be playing Penn State this Saturday. Nebraska doesn't need the money that bad. Really cancel your visit.

[coalition_unwilling]

47. Emphatic K&R and a valuable public service you are performing

in patiently compiling this data.

The thread is also awesome

[freshwest]

48. +1

[Aerows]

52. That looks to me

If you include the janitors, at least 20 people knew about this - and that is just over a 4 year period. Other people in school systems Sandusky worked with also knew about it, and some of them banned him from their schools.

This HAS to go a hell of a lot deeper, and there has to be money involved somewhere. Follow the money - somebody somewhere was making a bunch of money off of this to let it go on.

How do these people sleep at night, I wonder?

[spanone]

54. my god.

[JVS]

65. There was also a high school where he got caught "practicing wrestling moves"...

they reported it to CPS, banned him from coming back to the school. Sandusky was being protected by someone who had power over the police, because there were numerous investigations and they never amounted to anything. Looking to the janitors and coaches is looking to the small frys, he had already been reported on plenty by other people and the cops never went from investigation to prosecution.

[Aerows]

66. See, that's what I think

Somewhere along the line, someone with power was covering his ass. Too many people knew about this, and nothing ever came of it.

[n2doc]

123. To my mind, the only person in the region with that much power was Paterno

Maybe he just told the DA in 1998 "Hey, Sandusky is a good guy, I vouch for him, just take care of it for me" and the word got around that Sandusky was untouchable. Just Maybe.

[cliffordu]

71. WHY DIDN'T

ONE OF THESE MOTHERFUCKERS CUT HIS CHILD MOLESTING THROAT???

THEY SHOULD ALL GO TO PRISON.

[dreamnightwind]

89. The school needed to protect its image

by covering this up.

These major college football programs are huge money makers for their schools. The whole thing depends on their good name, which could well have motivated everyone involved to keep this quiet.

They might have feared that dismissing the perv would bring the issue more fully into the public eye, which would tarnish their university's image.

These football programs depend on recruitment, which itself depends on a school looking like a good place to send a young football prospect (and, more generally, ths school could look less desirable to all kinds of potential students, not just to football players). Dismissing a coach for sexual predation, even if they had done the right thing by dismissing him, could have been seen as too risky to the school's image, and that's big money.

So it could have been as simple as that.

The missing DA, though, is intriguing, also the removed hard drive and the fact that the DA had googled info about destroying info on a hard drive. Things that make you go hmmm... For me that gives a little credence to a possible perv-ring that the DA knew about, though that's wild conjecture at this point and there would need to be something more pointing that way to put any stock in it.

[bongbong]

95. Republicans

Like the Franklin case (google franklin coverup pedophile houston), this case is a close circle of high-powered and rich Republicans.

Sick fuckers.

[janet118]

110. Didn't the DA die in a mysterious plane crash in Frankland case? n/t

[russspeakeasy]

103. And all should go on trial. I hope they have to spend every dime they

have defending themselves. Paterno may have to sell one of his radio stations or car dealerships...or will the University pay for his defense?

[Beavker]

111. Speaks volumes about our society as whole,..

going down the toilet.

[KansDem]

113. Agreed

Protecting sports legends is more important than protecting 10-year-old boys...

[radhika]

124. That Sandusky used Penn State;s locker room, during the day..

speaks volumes to me. There was no hiding in private places, there was no luring a child away from potential observers - taking him off on a private field trip.

His actions show a level of arrogance, entitlement and confidence that he will be protected that is astounding. Displaying his latest trophy child. Up until this week, indeed Sandusky was safe. By using the locker room, he was using the Penn State Athletic Department as his own pedophile playground - any time of the day, with others around.

That appears to be part of his specific pattern. I'm guessing complicity with others.

[alcibiades_mystery]

151. The 2002 incident occurred at 9:30 pm, on a Friday before Spring break week

at the football practice facilities.

That would actually be a damn isolated place, as is evidenced by the fact that only one person happened to show up by sheer chance (McQueary putting new shoes away and grabbing game film).

It's not like he could take them to a local motel. The football building in March at 9:30 before Spring Break is likely one of the more isolated and empty places in all State College.

[Rex]

126. Things like this go on all the time. Just look at any school district

forget college...just look at any junior high/ high school - anywhere and there is always some coach sleeping with one of his students. Or showing something totally inappropriate in class and then getting a full cover-up. I've seen it happen in person, on more then one occasion. It really opened my eyes to what is going on in education that never gets reported. Covering up a crime IS a crime. From the superintendent on down.

[adigal]

132. I am a teacher, and yes, there have been teachers

fooling around with students in my high schools, and yes, they got caught and fired. One girl was 17 and another was 18. A third was 15, and the only reason the teacher is not in jail is that neither he nor the girl will talk. This, in my view, was all unacceptable and illegal in the last case. But still, this pales in comparison to anally raping a 10 year old boy in a locker room. My mind is just boggled by this.

[Rex]

141. I agree, but my point is what the fuck is going on in our schools?

I come from a family of teachers and was shocked at how little morals some of the most powerful people at the top have/had. To be fair, that was not the majority of teachers, administrators and most worked their asses off trying to do their jobs. It is shameful that it happens and something should be done about it. Things like this should not be swept under the rug and we are talking about people that have to pass an FBI background check. I honestly blame mentors that see this action and turn a blinds eye to it.

[adigal]

152. I think it isn't swept under the rug as much anymore

Growing up, I had a 16 year old friend who ran away with her married teacher, and a 14 year old friend of a friend who did the same. Twisted bastards, the guys, but it didn't get in the papers. More publicity now.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

160. Incredible...

...as in NOT credible.

Paterno knew nothing until 2002? I call "Bullshit!"

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

162. Paterno hand picked AD Curly

Great article. People are finally free to speak their mind about Paterno. Not flattering!

According to those who were directly involved in the interview process, it was Paterno who chose Tim Curley to become PSU's athletic director in 1993.

"Joe wanted to pick his man and Joe did," says a person with firsthand knowledge of the interviews.

Paterno had equity at Penn State, the kind of equity that gave him the power to essentially stiff-arm the school's efforts to coax him into retirement in 2004. He tried the same audacious tactic earlier this week when he announced his decision to retire at season's end and added, almost as a warning it seemed, that the PSU board of trustees had more pressing matters to deal with than his job status.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7221684/the-tragedy-penn-state-nittany-lions-coach-joe-paterno