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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 01:50 PM
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I hope that Penn State gets the Death Penalty
No, not execute someone, but in NCAA Sports the Death Penalty is when the NCAA bans a school from participating in a sport for at least a year, cancels all scholarships, fines the school for reckless/criminal behavior...

If PSU was so concerned about saving face while they knew that a coach was assaulting boys, they need to be hit where it hurts.

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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 01:51 PM
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1. I'm interested to see what the NCAA does about this.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 01:52 PM
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2. I'd like to see a 5-year bowl ban.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 01:55 PM
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3. What NCAA rule covers this
As much as that would be a well deserved punishment, if it isn't currently part of the rules system then don't count on it.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 01:55 PM
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4. Ethics violations.
Edited on Thu Nov-10-11 01:57 PM by ScreamingMeemie
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 01:59 PM
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5. "Lack of institutional control", "athletic integrity", or the concealment of a crime
I think that would count as well

from a sportsblog:
Anything less is an utter affront to justice and the final piece of evidence that the NCAA, for all of its bloviating about "athletic integrity" this and "student athlete" that, is a profiteering organization with all the empathy of a pimp.

Southern Methodist University's football program suffered the dreaded Death Penalty for one reason, and only one reason: a lack of institutional control.

This entire sordid affair has now become the very definition of a complete "lack of institutional control."

Head coach Joe Paterno had direct knowledge from an eye-witness of Jerry Sandusky's vile acts, and he did nothing.

Athletic director Tim Curley knew about it. He did nothing.

University vice-president Gary Shultz knew about it. He did nothing.

University president Graham Spanier offered his "unconditional support"…to Curley and Shultz. He did nothing.

It doesn't get any more institutional than that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10403195
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:01 PM
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6. I disagree..
Clearly the administration of the school was trying very hard to control the scandal.







:sarcasm:

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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:27 PM
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7. Wouldn't criminal charges against those involved directly be more appropriate?
Rape, accessory, conspiracy, etc. I never understand why major crimes committed within certain institutions (churches, football) are not turned over to law enforcement immediately. Is winning football games really more important than protecting children from serial rapists?!

To me someone who see a 10YO get raped and does nothing to help the child is damn near as guilty as the rapist. Disgusting.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 05:04 PM
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24. I assume the OP is asking for both--criminal prosecution for individuals,
NCAA death penalty for the school. That seems fair to me, too.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:28 PM
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8. Me too nt
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:30 PM
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9. NCAA "deferring" so far -
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:32 PM
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10. There will be no NCAA sanctions because there was no NCAA violation
This is going to be hard for some of you to understand, but that will be the result.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 03:36 PM
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15. Not to mention the Death Penalty is only used for repeat violations
Per Wikipedia:

"The NCAA has always had the power to ban an institution from competing in a particular sport. However, in 1985, in response to rampant violations at several schools, the NCAA Council passed the "repeat violator" rule. The rule stipulates that if a second major violation occurs at any institution within five years of being on probation in the same sport or another sport, that institution can be barred from competing in the sport involved in the second violation for either one or two seasons. In cases of particularly egregious misconduct, a school can also be stripped of its right to vote at NCAA conventions for four years. The severity of the penalty led the media to dub it "the death penalty," and the nickname has persisted to this day.

So unless Penn State's been in trouble with the NCAA in the past 5 years, don't count on it.
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:38 PM
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11. Agree. Shut down their athletics programs for a decade and let them focus on academics. nt
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:48 PM
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12. +1
If covering up for a serial child rapist doesn't warrant complete suspension of their athletic program nothing does.

Five years...minimum
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 03:08 PM
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13. this really puts the college program back years
the program will have to fire everyone involved in the program to restore confidence in the program.

joe could have retired a legend.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 03:20 PM
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14. This type of stupidity is fucking pathetic.
I love all the "progressive" attitudes. Let's punish EVERYONE! Hey, why not just shut the entire school down and burn the place to ground, then salt the earth! :eyes:
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 04:38 PM
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18. members of the football program concealed child rape in the name of "protect the team"
I didnt say shut the school down, I said penalize the team that facilitated the coverup of child rape
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 04:58 PM
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20. But not the players...
...you want to penalize them for something they didn't do had had no knowledge of whatsoever.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 05:01 PM
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21. players get penalized for coach's bad calls all the time
the main reason I think this warrants the DP is that they concealed a heinous crime to protect a football program. The football program should suffer accordingly so that other schools get the idea that if a program covers up crime, the program might have to suffer.

A Nitney Lion fan, are ya?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 05:03 PM
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23. I am a fan and a fan of logic. I am NOT a fan of punishing someone for something they didn't do.
You seem to be a fan of "scorched earth."
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 05:07 PM
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26. to me, it sounds like the football program concealed this crime
so they should have to pay.

Look at how many and who was fired over this. The coach, the school president, others. This isnt an isolated thing, this was the program
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 03:39 PM
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16. If this were SMU, ol Sparky would be getting a workout
But, since this is Penn State, they will probably just get a slap on the wrist.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 05:03 PM
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22. Yup!
I agree. :)
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 05:06 PM
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25. Yep. Illinois would be getting extra-super-dooper-death penalty.
Penn State, not so much.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 04:47 PM
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19. Hope in one hand, and shit in the other. Let me know which one fills up first.
It ain't going to happen.
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