Should Mike McQueary (the Penn State rape witness) have done more?

[Liberal_in_LA]

How in the World is Mike McQueary Still Coaching for Penn State?

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To reiterate: McQueary saw what happened. Instead of going to the police, he told his father, who in turn instructed Mike go to Joe. You might be able to understand why a shocked McQueary was conflicted on what to do next, and why the first step he took was to inform his superior.

But why didn't HE follow up? Everybody wants to know why a then 75-year-old man didn't do more, why that 75-year-old man couldn't take a second-hand account and save more children from abuse. Well what about the man who actually saw it happen, the person who could actually give testimony to what took place in that shower?

How has McQueary lived with this visual for nearly a decade?

And how does McQueary get to continue coaching this Saturday? He not only could have done "more" -- he could have done THE MOST.


http://www.the700level.com/11/10/11/How-in-the-World-is-Mike-McQueary-Still-/landing_ncaa.html?blockID=591568&feedID=8977

[justiceischeap]

1. As I've said before, I think there are 2 very viable reasons he didn't do MORE

In another thread, it's said that McQueary knew Sandusky as a boy. One could surmise that he too may have been a victim of molestation. As often happens with victims of molestation, they turn into molesters themselves. So you take away why he didn't do more. I think it's telling though that he got a job as a coach at PS after all this.

[Major Nikon]

10. I think the reason was simple

He knew if he went to the police his career would have been in jeopardy.

[hifiguy]

17. I think that explains it completely.

He was a young grad assistant - the lowest position on the coaching totem pole - and Sandusky was very much a big wheel in PSU football even though he had retired.

[Klukie]

2. Yes...he should have stopped it and called the police

nothing less than that makes him complicit in my eyes.

[malaise]

27. Ditto n/t

[tishaLA]

3. Of course he should have

Like stopped the rape for one thing. Like reported it to the police instead of Paterno for another.

As I've said before, my suspicion is that McQueary is a coach at PSU in part because of his complicity in keeping the Sandusky rape hush-hush. It's a fucked up quid pro quo.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. What I want to know as well. Also, did everybody note the Montana mental health worker who

was fired because she reported a client, when she did not actually witness the act?

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45222798/ns/us_news-life/

MISSOULA, Mont. — An employee of a Missoula mental health center who reported a client's computer search for child pornography was fired after reporting him to police.

The client, John Gribble, is charged with sexually abusing a child after a DVD with photos of nude children was found at his house.

"In order to provide mental health services, we can't engage in dual roles. We're not allowed to go to police" unless actual child abuse is observed, Hennelly told The Missoulian. "She didn't witness someone abusing a child. What this woman reported to this office was she saw the tab of Web browsers that said teenage girls. That's a lot different."


It would make more sense to me to 'fire' the eye witness for not reporting the abuse to the police. And I was told by a judge that if I didn't have proof of the abuse, it didn't happen. See this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2277355

[slackmaster]

5. All I can say is, if my last name was McQueary...

...I'd change it.

[Taverner]

6. I don't know

I would have, that's for sure

[joeybee12]

7. Sorry, he wasn't in a position of authority and we don't know what he was told...

He may very well have screwed up but all this piling on of him seems to me a deliberate attempt to make JoePa less culpable.

[Liberal_in_LA]

9. why is the person who was told about an incident more responsible for reporting to police

than the one who saw the incident?

[LynneSin]

15. In the state of Pennsylvania anyone witnessing sexual abuse IS in a position of authority to report

There is no chain of command with crap like this!

[Ruby the Liberal]

22. This isn't about degrees of culpability. He was 28 and witnessed a 10 year old being ass raped.

Even thought, 8 years later, in December of 2010 to describe to the jury the sound that caught his attention toward the showers. Without being crude, he referred to it (paraphrased) as the wet skin on skin rhythmic sound of sex.

Apparently, made enough of am impression on him to remember that nauseating details all these years later. Too bad his brain and conscious didn't kick in at the time to fucking STOP it from happening.

[HubertHeaver]

8. It is more than significant that he is the RECEIVERS coach.

He saw it, he has to report it to authority. If he did report, he wouldn't be a PSU coach in any capacity. I very much doubt he would be coaching anywhere. Keep in mind, there is a missing DA who was supposedly investigating this.

[LynneSin]

11. Why he has not been fired - he is the key of who knew what when.

And the Powers to be (meaning PSU and the police) want to keep him a happy witness until they get his testimony.

If the belief is that he was a part of this conspiracy then he'll clam up too. However I suspect he's going to rat everyone out and tell them he was threatened to 'keep quiet, let the football program deal with it' and then offered a lucrative job coaching for the team.

[Fumesucker]

16. He's the only one that evidently didn't *actively* cover up the rape? n/t

[noiretextatique]

12. he should have called the police

as should any adult who witnesses an adult having sex with a child.

[dorkulon]

13. This guy needs to go as well. I'm shocked he's still there. /nt

[WI_DEM]

14. Of course! He should have gotten on the phone right away and called the police.

[Ruby the Liberal]

18. It really is mind boggling. The man he turned to, daddy Dr McQueary is a local pediatrician

in State College, PA and a long time Penn State booster. McQueary played HS football 1.5 miles from PSU campus before he played for Paterno.

Small town. Big players.

Dr. Daddy told McQ to leave the gym and come to his house where they 'talked' and the recommendation was to go tell JoePa. The next day. With NO actionable concern for the child's well being or whereabouts taken or attempted. This, the advice of a pediatrician to his 6'4", 28 year old son, who just witnessed live child rape.

Forget for a minute the eventual coverup. Forget the whole 'kick it upstairs, by law I did what I had to' thing. The guy was a 6'4" athlete who reported to the Grand Jury that both Sandusky AND the child looked at him when he caught them. Imagine the look on that child's face - thinking someone showed up at 9:30 at night and would rescue him from the situation, only to see that person walk away and never be seen from again.

Forget initial reactions like "I would have called an ambulance" or "they would have had to clean the SOB up with a hose" - how about a simple "WTF ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!" That would/could have been enough to at least stop the abuse, IMO and they could have worked out their 'protect the program at all costs' gameplan later. Even at daddy's house for all the good that did.

So, today, McQ is not only the WR coach for PSU, but he is their recruiting coach. Keeping in mind what he witnessed in 2002 (and the coverup he witnessed from 2002 until his Grand Jury testimony December 2010) - get a gander at this recruiting letter he signed and sent out en masse this summer, 2011:



Also at: http://twitpic.com/7ch1tc

Lovely, no?

[Liberal_in_LA]

19. +1000

[justiceischeap]

20. This reminds me of an episode on Law & Order: SVU

No, really, an actual episode. These guys would book travel packages to South America if I recall, adopt poor boys from the impoverished families, bring them home to molest them. They had a dentist involved in their ring (and I think an MD). It's really odd how similar this is to that episode with more and more info coming out.

[truebrit71]

21. HE was the one that witnessed the crime...HE was the one that should have reported it to the cops...

...He should have gone to Paterno AFTER he had been to the cops..

This doesn't excuse Paterno for a damned thing, but he is not the only one at fault for "not following up"...

[Lone_Star_Dem]

23. In a word, yes.

They all were morally obligated to get the man off the streets where he would no longer be able to harm children. They all failed. In his case I'm unclear if as a graduate assistant he was legally obligated to report the sexual molestation or not, but morally he should have had the ethics to do so.

[kestrel91316]

24. I would bet real money that when McQueary told Paterno, the old man

assured him that he would take care of the matter. Probably implied that he (M) didn't need to tell the cops because he (P) would.

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. Trustee: Board wants McQueary off field Saturday; had no choice but to fire Paterno

Penn State's Board of Trustees have asked the university's head football coach to keep Mike McQueary, the assistant coach at the center of a child sex scandal, off the field during Saturday's nationally-televised game against Nebraska, according to one of the trustees.

The trustee told The Morning Call in an exclusive interview that the board made the request out of concern for McQueary's safety.

The board does not plan to fire McQueary or ask him to step down, according to the trustee, who asked to remain anonymous because of the sensitive nature of the matter.

McQueary was thrust into the spotlight of national media attention this weekend after grand jury testimony revealed him as the eye witness to an alleged sexual assault by former assistant Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky.

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-trustees-turnaround-20111110,0,3236661.story

[Ruby the Liberal]

26. LOL! Another massive FU by PSU leadership

Now all of a sudden, they are worried about the safety of McQueary? 30 year old, 6'4" athlete McQueary?

The meme is that his "safety" is their overarching concern?

Something tells me that with a tone deaf statement like that, if McQ wasn't in danger, he could/will be going forward...

People want an end to this and the beginning of closure. Public statements about being worried about protecting the person who was one of the most complicit in the whole sordid affair (by not stopping the rape) is only going to fuel the frustration and anger.

[jmg257]

28. Seeing a 10 year old getting reamed in the shower? Call the police is the 2nd or 3rd thing you do.

From the testimony description of what he saw and heard and thought, this wasn't in any way possible a situation that should have been ignored for an instant. NO chance of a misunderstanding. NO chance for 'not sure what I saw', NO chance for 'maybe I'm mistaken', NO chance of a 'lack of wrong-doing'.

Don't go home and tell your dad. Don't wait for the next day to tell your boss. Get your stupid ass in there and grab that fucker by the neck and throw his perverted ass up against the wall. Tell the kid to go cover himself up. Then call the police.

Stop the attack, stop the crime in progress...THEN call the cops - immediately.